[Closed] Thatcher's died according to BBC

binners - Member
Plus a lot of people suspect, quite rightly, that it'll be turned into some kind of Tory victory parade, and thus typically insensitive, and incredibly offensive to large sections of society

I think it's a little bit unfair to suggest that something called 'Operation True Blue' is going to turn out to be some sort of Tory circle-jerk.

DezB - Member
So, say you're at a rugby tournament this weekend and the organisers decide they're gonna have a minutes silence, what's the best way to not observe a minutes silence? Chat? Sing? Whistle? Fart loudly?

Leave your seat and head for the nearest exit (to return after the minute is up, of course)

and thus typically insensitive, and incredibly offensive to large sections of society

You do realise that [b]someone [/b]voted her in for three terms don't you?

I don't think anyone who who does't approve is in any way secretly looking forwards to it.

Nobody planning a party or a protest then?

You do realise that someone voted her in for three terms don't you?

Yes, a minority of the population.

Lots of people voted for Hitler too 😉

I think 64.2%, 56.1% or 57.6% could reasonably be called a large section of society, hora.

You do realise that someone voted her in for three terms don't you?

yes, but the clear majority didn't. Thus its offensive to more people than approve of it. Its just that the people who approve of it tend to be the type who regard their opinion as more important than anybody elses. A trait she'd be delighted with! 🙄

Lots of people voted for Hitler too

I'm resisting, but sometime soon it's going to be impossible to ignore Godwin.

You do realise that someone voted her in for three terms don't you?

And you, do realise just how unpopular she was by the end of her premiership ?

[url= http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-06/news/mn-957_1_gallup-poll ] Thatcher's Popularity Slumps to 50-Year Low in Gallup Poll[/url]

[b][i]"...... the least-popular prime minister in Britain since opinion polls began here more than half a century ago"[/i][/b]

Looking forward to the mental gymnastics that will make that into a positive.

Just been on to the club - Sale will NOT be holding a minutes silence 😆

😆

And you, do realise just how popular she was by the end of her premiership ?

I think the word 'end' should feature high in your thinking their caller.

At the end.

Again- I didn't see Labour being voted in. Did you? Where were all these hateful voters? Abstaining? 8)

At the end, after people had a chance to judge her actions.

Hora you numbskull. There is absolutely no precedent for her to have a state funeral. Nor any constitutional right either. Dave just decided that was thats what him and his chums want, so thats what is going to happen. And the rest of us are just going to have to like it. Oh.... and pay for it!

I'd assume that even your limited mental capacity could understand why some people are not exactly overjoyed with that arrangement

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There is absolutely no precedent for her to have a state funeral. Nor any constitutional right either.

Has plastic-communism ruined your eyesight?

I didn't see Labour being voted in. Did you?

Which makes the point even more powerfully.

It wasn't necessarily the Tories themselves who were unpopular, [u]it was Thatcher's deep unpopularity with the electorate[/u]

More importantly, are you ready to take one hell of a beating tomorrow night muddydwarf? 🙂

You do realise that someone voted her in for three terms don't you?

I think the word 'end' should feature high in your thinking their caller.

I've already given you the figures for how popular the opposition to her was at the start of her terms - though interestingly she does appear to have become more popular for most of her time in power than when she was the alternative to "rubbish piling up in the streets, the dead not being buried, etc."

There is absolutely no precedent for her to have a state funeral.

There is actually both Palmerston and Gladstone had state funerals, in addition to Churchill of course.

Dave just decided that was thats what him and his chums want, so thats what is going to happen.

The plans were made some time ago and Tony Blair apparently authorized them.

Tony Blair apparently authorized them.

I imagine he's disappointed she lasted long enough for him not to have a starring role.

There's always room for one more...

footflaps - Member
They should bus down all the ex miners to line the streets, then as the coffin goes past they can turn, face away and drop their trousers. That would be a fitting gesture....

Wow, you must have a very low opinion of miners, to think that "dropping their trousers" would be a fitting gesture, footflaps. I am sure they are perfectly capable of behaving and showing their opinions in far more appropriate ways.

Osborne does seem to have hit the nail-on-the head

I am afraid that the decision to turn Lady Thatcher’s funeral into a state occasion was a constitutional innovation and, like almost all such innovations, both foolish and wrong.

But the myth endures.....

I imagine he's disappointed she lasted long enough for him not to have a starring role.

I suspect that for a self-serving arrogant egomaniac with overinflated self importance, the fact that he didn't manage to hang on long enough to beat her 11 years, is an even greater disappointment for Blair.

ohnohesback - Member
There's always room for one more...

There's always time for Prince of Thieves quotes!

Osborne does seem to have hit the nail-on-the head

Did George really say that?

I suspect that for a self-serving arrogant egomaniac with overinflated self importance, the fact that he didn't manage to hang on long enough to beat her 11 years, is an even greater disappointment for Blair.

Do you think if they gave him a state funeral anyway that would keep the lefties happy?

We'd be happy with a public hanging, drawing and quatering.

the kind of people who think silent protests have affect at funerals?

Actually I think the silent protest would be the most effective and intelligent method in this circumstance. A noisy protest will be seen as crass and will inevitably have to be condemned publicly even by those public figures who hated everything she stood for. It would also be kettled away from the public (and by that I mean televised) eye.

The more intelligent protest would be an organised distribution of masks (similar to the Guido Fawkes masks) to protesters who spread themselves evenly and orderly into the crowds. Don the masks as the procession goes past and hey presto every media image that is used around the world the day after or goes into the history book of the British people "honouring" Thatcher has strange masked protesters mixed into the crowd that need explaining.

Do you think if they gave him a state funeral anyway that would keep the lefties happy?

Is that a serious question ?

aracer - Member
Osborne does seem to have hit the nail-on-the head
Did George really say that?

😉 I assume that's a joke but just in case, Peter Osborne article is linked on previous pages and again...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984619/Margaret-Thatcher-This-is-a-state-funeral-and-thats-a-mistake.html

His name is Oborne

So it is, my error 😳 I have always read his name as Osborne!!

There's no S in Peter Oborne teamhurtmore, I think aracer was trying to catch you out. He likes to do that sort of thing 🙂

@mefty - I stand partially correct, it seems he is a non directional Honourable!

Thatcher is entitled the usage of the pre-nominal style "The Honourable" following the elevation of his mother to the peerage as a baroness in 1992; he shares this courtesy with his twin sister, Carol. He inherited the Thatcher baronetcy on the death of his father, Sir Denis, in 2003. The baronetcy, created in 1991 for Sir Denis, was the first (and so far only) baronetcy created since 1964.

Well I was well and truly caught by that one - there's some theory that says that people like to complete circles in diagrams etc even though they are not circles. I guess thats what I did.

To save money on Thatcher's funeral (which I don't believe the state should pay for), instead of lining the streets with police, they should put up massive posters outlining the incredibly generous redundancy packages offered to the miners, that the unions turned down.

That way, instead of bus loads of ex-miners causing trouble, they would simply go home and feel a bit silly about the whole affair.

What do you think?
🙂

One of them did ok though didn't he? Sorted himself out.

Is that a serious question ?

Here's the smiley I didn't think you needed 😉

What do you think?

I think sycophantic maggie supporters are piss-poor in the comedy stakes. HTH

One of them did ok though didn't he? Sorted himself out.

Post-modern and ironic nod to fatcherism innit?

Hold on lads, I think I can broker a compromise on this: a massive party at the funeral BUT everyone's wearing those wireless headphones so it's a silent disco. Come on, it's what she would have wanted - where there is discord, let there be harmony and all that.

ernie_lynch - Member

I think sycophantic maggie supporters are piss-poor in the comedy stakes. HTH

And I think if you're going to try and insult someone, Ernie, you should stick to using words you know the meaning of.
I hope [i]that[/i] helps.
🙂

Don't know where you get the 'trying to insult' from mate. You asked for opinion on your funny joke, and I gave it.

ernie_lynch - Member

Don't know where you get the 'trying to insult' from mate.

I'm guessing you think "sycophantic" is a term of endearment then?
🙂

Well I guess if you look like this :

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you might take sycophantic maggie supporter as a compliment, I have no idea.

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Apologies if this has already been posted.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/thatchers-gone-according-to-bbc/page/30#post-4875490

ernie_lynch - Member

I have no idea.

Bingo. 🙂

Sycophancy? I don't agree with Tories as a rule. I'm not monied etc.

However if my wife was being pulled from the rubble of a building that had just been blown up killing others would I consider carrying on doing the job? Like **** I would.

Would I a few hours later get up and give a speach on the dot without looked half-pissed from the stress and alot of vodka? Well I'd be the later, I wouldn't be giving a speech.

Many of us would be in the same camp as me on this.

What are you talking about now?

What in the name of all that is holy are you blathering on about now?

The same camp as you....?

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EDIT:

I don't agree with Tories as a rule.

What in the name of all that is holy are you blathering on about now?

I think he's still going on about this :

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/thatchers-gone-according-to-bbc/page/16#post-4867550

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That face looks potatoshopped on.

What are you talking about now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_hotel_bombing

The blast badly damaged her bathroom, but left her sitting room and bedroom unscathed

What message did that send to her attackers?

Like I said - I'm not a fan of the Tories but bloody ell she showed some metal.

Wikipedia won't save you. Please explain why your last post makes any semblance of sense whatsoever? as I can't decipher anything from that gibberish.

And neither can anyone from your camp....

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EDIT: So you're seriously suggesting that the fact that your enemies aren't very good at making bombs is a sound basis for re-election?

What message did that send to her attackers?

That they hadn't injured her in any way ?

I thought Annie Lennox's post on fb was pretty fair, as someone of a similar generation it summed up my thoughts more eloquently and diplomatically than I could have

It says a lot to me she died in a hotel whilst her kids who live abroad stayed abroad despite knowing she was very ill

It says a lot to me she died in a hotel whilst her kids who live abroad stayed abroad despite knowing she was very ill

Then there are lots of elderly people living in homes who don't see their offspring but expect an inheritance.

TBH it wasn't a tatty hotel in Margate was it 🙂

And as is customary for a former MP - someone else was picking up the (absolutely huge) tab

Still... at least it wasn't us in this case. Every cloud....
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What are you talking about now?

hora - Member

"What are you talking about now?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_hotel_bombing

I know the event you were talking about but not how your 'analysis' or the event had any relevance to the conversation at that time. Standard.

Hora --best sticking to things you know about-- cocks

rudebwoy - Member

Hora --best sticking to things you know about-- cocks

Well aren't you just lovely! 😀

What if I liked cocks? Would that make me a lesser man than you 'rudeboy'?

Polly Toynbee v Charles Moore on QT tonight - could be interesting! I wonder what the first question will be?!?

Plus slightly poor MP line-up considering - Clark, Blunkett and Menzies Cambell

Hora--not at all-- but your 'support' for Thatcher seems very strange-- or are you just seeking a response..... there are many who have half formed 'opinions' that seem to be based on media 'views'-- misconstruing many events, and twisting things to suit the prevaling agenda-- thing is there are many people who participated in a lot of those events--some on here , and many others of a certain age, who were very 'involved'-- if you or any other wanted you could do some proper research , but that's lots of work--and i think you would rather take the easy option and regurgitate half truths and lies--very fitting on a Thatcher Thread ..

Wrong. Numerous times I've asked for sources for every graph and claim on this topic.

Wrong target dude. Every claim has to have supporting evidence as I've stated.

Now take your 'cock' and place it somewhere for safe keeping. Maybe someone who likes it.

Interesting image on Twitter showing why football will not be considering a silence.[img] :large[/img]

Bernard Ingham showing he is a **** of the highest order.

O/T: Football consider a silence? On a recent Leeds visit to Sheffield I bet some Sheffield residents wish that football was played behind closed doors (sadly).

O/T: Football consider a silence? On a recent Leeds visit to Sheffield I bet some Sheffield residents wish that football was played behind closed doors (sadly).

That game was a disgrace and is to be replayed this weekend. It won't be fun in Leeds this sat.

I thought Annie Lennox's post on fb was pretty fair

😆

Who is musical director for the wake?

Anyone done a playlist? I'm thinking there are some real crackers

posted elsewhere, but i;d start with

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I think the people who kept voting for her are more to blame. It wasnt like she was hiding what she was up to. Rejoicing over the death of an old woman is a bit sad. (and I'm from Consett, a place affected by the Tory policies as much as anywhere else)