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Whats happening to this country?
It's going to the dogs, Hora. It's all the immigrants coming over here and taking our jobs and calling their children Mohammed....
the loud and useless piece of fat that you are
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That is one of the greatest insults I have ever read on here. Quality, through and through, like a hand-made Belgian chocolate. It's levels and textures are just absolutely stunning.
Juan, I bow down to your Greatness. Thank you. That has truly made my day. I am going to bookmark this, so if I ever need cheering up from this moment on, I am going to come back to this thread, and read those words. Magical.
Ladies and Gentlemen; I see no further point in continuing this discussion, other than to pay homage to a true Genius.
molgrips what do you do I want to retrain 😆
Does that mean that the minimum wage is pretty much useless?
I'm in favour of a minimum wage BTW, but if doesn't allow even a basic standard then it's not doing its job.
I'd say basic wage is unliveable in London unless you live in a council property with the reduced rent.
What can you do though? Have a two-tiered system? Higher London-weighting on the basic wage? Unworkable.
Ps. I'm not THAT fat am I? 😐
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Yeah spill it molgrips.
Are you an [i]escort[/i]?
Edit, Hora sounds like we had a similar upbringing.
toomanybikes - Member
Tron......they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system, and before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic, anyone, black, white, green, yellow, british, german, chilean etc etc who think that the state owes them a living are gravely mistaken, the benefits system shouldn't be a way of receiving money to spend it on booze, fags, video games etc, unless all of those things have now become necessities of life.
toomanybikes - where in the clip did the girl request anything from the benefits system or suggest the state owes them something?? I think she was asking for a "living wage" and is that too much to ask?
I have quite a bit of sympathy with the girl as her mum and gran are going out each day and working as cleaners, how can anybody knock someone for getting up off their butts and doing a job. Cleaning is not a great job but someone has to do, so good on them. If you're working hard for a full day then I believe that you are entitled to a living wage. After a day's work her family should be able to afford to get the tube home, it's public transport, ffs - transport for the (working)public!! I would rather there was more working people like the girls family in this country than the multitude of people that can't be bothered to get up and go to work.
Some of the comments on here are very harsh. 🙄
toomanybikes - MemberTron......they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system, and before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic, anyone, black, white, green, yellow, british, german, chilean etc etc who think that the state owes them a living are gravely mistaken, the benefits system shouldn't be a way of receiving money to spend it on booze, fags, video games etc, unless all of those things have now become necessities of life.
have a look at the bbc today
this is the sort of scrounging scum I'm talking about, he should have his benefits cut, and his tubes, he's breeding for the benefits, and, mine and your taxes are paying for this scrounger to get p'ssed every day, this is what Labour has spawned over the past 13 years.
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Sez the bloke who also said, quote :
[b][i]"and if it takes 5 years of Tory government to bring down the welfare bill, well then so be it, 'cos Labour won't do it, and [u]we will just end up like Greece[/u]."[/i][/b]
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It was the Greek[b][i] Tories/Free-Marketeers[/i][/b] who screwed up their country and left it up Shit Creek without a paddle !!!
.....you really know what's what !!! And you've really got your finger on the pulse - ain't you fella ? 😀
In fact, it's now been left to the Greek socialists to try and pick up the pieces and sort things out.
Unfortunately the Greek free-market tories have left the country in such a mess, that's it's proving extremely difficult for the Socialists to comply with the demands of the EU/IMF, and huge upheavals and social unrest are now gripping Greece.
The Acropolis in Athens yesterday :
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How long before the Tories screw up Britain that much too, eh ?
I know someone like you, whose brain is so packed up with fat, will fail to understand such concept, but I think it's important to try to explain it.
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Oh Lord; Juan's well and truly done you there Hora. Well and truly.
Umm Ernie, I think that (Labour) ship has already sailed mate.
Latest forecasts show Britain's debt at 88% of GDP in 2011/12, well above the eurozone permitted maximum of 60%.
Britain's annual deficit is also running at more than four times the eurozone permitted ceiling of 3% of GDP.
Not quite as bad as Greece but hardly a model to be followed, eh?
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In fact, it's now been left to the Greek socialists to try and pick up the pieces and sort things out.
Don't you mean going cap in hand to the IMF?
Just one quote for you;
The 2004 Athens Games played like a classic Greek Tragedy. Originally budgeted at $5.7 billion, revised to $7.2 billion, final estimations for the Athens Games have costs somewhere between $8.5 and $12 billion
'Some of the attitudes displayed on here merely prove my point about Selfish Britain'....
I second the above....very sad to read some of the comments
molgrips - MemberFor example, I'm fairly workshy, I absolutely hate working and get very bored very quickly. However it so happens that I naturally have an aptitude for something that is in demand and not so many people are as good at it as I am. So I make a good living. Fair? No..and it has it's risks,[b]like the time Boy George chained me to his wall[/b]... but fortunate, hell yes.
Not quite as bad as Greece but hardly a model to be followed, eh?
No of course not !!! 😀
New Labour followed the neo-liberal free-market model !
Although when the shit hit the fan they, temporarily at least, partially abandoned it.
But to suggest that the Tories could somehow offer a different, better, non neo-liberal free-market model, is quite frankly ridiculous.
well, as we are still living in a democracy we're all entitled to our opinions, though sometimes I wonder on this forum
Hora that article is diabolical. Talk about subtly manipulating the tone and theme of the article to make a political point. Shameless.
Greece built facilities AND THEN hit the skids in a recession. The two things may or may not be linked to some extent. Any new facility could have been the same. I know of office buildings in Cardiff that went empty for years after 2001.
It also says 'the only beneficiaries will be big business' at least twice. WTF does that mean? Only small companies should benefit? Who the hell works for these 'big businesses' anyway? Normal people, that's who.
Grr. Peddling ignorance. Stifling people's ability to think for themselves for your own political aims - should be bloody well illegal.
Check yourself into the Molgrips Retard Clinic (see earlier thread) asap. Well, as soon as it opens anyway.
as we are still living in a democracy we're all entitled to our opinions, though sometimes I wonder on this forum
So what's your problem then ?..........you don't like the opinions that some people have been expressing ?
I know but the cost is mind-boggling. Thats 3,000,000,000 pints of ale. Crackers.
TMB At least you gave your Nick-Griffin-esque pish clout by posting the Daily Mail link....
ernie..........I have no trouble with anyones opinions, though it does seem that some people have an issue with mine, but as I said, i'm entitled to them
it does seem that some people have an issue with mine
Yes, I have an issue with your opinion..........I don't agree with it.
Where's the problem then ?
Although when the shit hit the fan they, temporarily at least, partially abandoned it.
That's a bit generous ern! They shat themselves that some of the largest contributors to GDP dropped a large collective bollock and then threw money at them. During this, they (the banks) continued to take the p1ss (bonus', payoffs etc etc).
I would not class this as a return to socialism, more of an absolute necessity (IMHO of course). Any govt would have done the same. I say keep the shares and rinse the bastards!
But to suggest that the Tories could somehow offer a different, better, non neo-liberal free-market model, is quite frankly ridiculous.
My elementary economics training tells me that a free market is a free market, neo liberal or not. Is that incorrect? (honest question)
why have you assumed I'm BNP, if you must know I think they're an odious bunch who will just, hopefully, fade fom everyones sight after the election, but of course, if my views do not lean firmly to the left, I must be BNP..........in some peoples eyes
ernie...........as i said, i have no issue with your views, but you seem to be working yourself up about mine
There's I live in the Home Counties and everything's lovely right wing; and then there's,
"Tron......they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system."
I'd put you (and Griffin) in the latter category.
oh well, sorry to disappoint but I'm not.
I don't think that any 'free' market is actually completely free, is it? We learned a bit about that in 1929 I think. Adjectives in addition to the word 'free' would attempt to describe the amount of regulation involved I think.
Not what? I'm not actually suggesting you're in the BNP, simply that they'd welcome you based on your posts.
a free market is a free market, neo liberal or not. Is that incorrect?
Neo liberal is generally used to refer to recent moves (last 30 years) towards an unregulated "laissez-faire" free-market economy. We had a more regulated free-market economy before that.
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toomanybikes - Memberernie...........as i said, i have no issue with your views
Really ?.........you agree with me ? Excellent ! 😀
ernie........no, i think we'll agree to disagree,
I don't think that any 'free' market is actually completely free, is it?
Not imo. But it [i]supposedly is,[/i] in the opinion (or at least the alleged opinion) of those who sing it's virtues.
Unregulated as in privatisation of services?, the absolute opposite to the centrally controlled model?
I was shown that at one end of the scale was free market and at the other was centrally controlled and that no country on earth was purely either, but that some were closer to the free market (the US etc) and some closer to the centrally controlled (north korea etc).
So labour are actually trying to be less socialist (economically) than the tories?
I thought you liked socialism?
[b][i]"So labour are actually trying to be less socialist (economically) than the tories?"[/i][/b]
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[b][i]"I thought you liked socialism?" [/i][/b]
And ? 😕
Gotta log out, but if it helps, I reckon New Labour believed, well Gordon Brown did at least - Tony Blair doesn't believe in anything apart from pampering his own arse and ego, that they could manage the free-market better than the Tories. There's probably some truth in that, but since you've already accused me of 'liking socialism', I'm entirely sure why you appear to think I should be more supportive of them.
Not accusing ern, probably more misunderstanding.
Not accusing ern
LOL ! It was an accusation ! And I plead guilty ! 8)
Right had another look.
Both her Mother and Grandmother work in the 'treasury'....(hmmm)
The last 20secs are very telling.
They are a Labour stunt. Look at the pledges of Labour (laptop for every family, child cover and a relook(?) at (living) minimum wage.
M6TTF - Memberchewkw - Member
Did she cry for an iMac 24"?no because everyone knows they're obsolete - it's all about the 27" baby
Bloody hell ... 27"!!! I feel the pain! I want! I Want! I WANT!
Now that makes me cry too ... I am still using my 10 yrs old plus Dell P-III laptop with 512MB RAM. Sssshhhhiiittt ...
I guess I should cry for iPod, iPhone, touchpad whatever, you have I want your fault kind of stuff I do not have, Hons degree in celebrity study, spend borrowed money I cannot payback ...
So don't you even dare offer me anything less than Pentium i7 core processor cos that will make me look poor.
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hora - MemberLook at the pledges of Labour (laptop for every family, child cover and a relook(?) at (living) minimum wage.
Yes, Super thin laptop with i7 Core. Yes!
Yes, the children must wear DKNY, Gucci etc., otherwise infringe on the human rights of the children by making them look poor.
Yes, minimum wage ... minimum work and maximum credit spending. Yes!
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Seeing as how Juan has been banned by the looks of it can I just say that I agree with him
Has Juan been banned? No way?!? What for???
I do hope not. I don't think that would be fair really. Granted, he went off on one, but come on, it was brilliant!
I'm sure Hora's not too bothered by it. Water off a duck's back..
Thing is, if you make provocative statements, you're going to get a response. Hora knows this; it's why he does it, ffs! I mean, why do we post on here, if it's not to gain attention?
[b]BRING BACK JUAN! JUSTICE FOR THE FRENCH JUAN! FREE JUAN NOW![/b]
Can't she get tax credits?
I didn't watch the whole clip, but why did they come to England, Chillie isn't that bad of a place.
Still here 😀
I have been doing real world stuff, fixing the car, bbqing, putting the little one to bed and so and so.
But as for above I learnt from the best...
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steve_b77 - MemberI didn't watch the whole clip, but why did they come to England, Chillie isn't that bad of a place.
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Well the [i]"whole clip"[/i] is 1.35 minute long........are you sure you have time to hear the answer ?
Or have you already gone ?
Voting day? Time to get the idiots out of power 😀
Time to [s]get[/s] keep the idiot[s]s[/s] tories out of power.
Corrected it for you! 😉
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Voting day? Time to get the idiots out of power
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I'm voting tory in the morning
ding dong the bells are gonna chime
So, Hora; if the Tories win, how do you think they are goingto magically transform Britain?
Come on, let's hear your thoughts. A proper, intelligent, well-reasoned argument, if you're capable of it. Rather than just slagging off Labour all the time like you do. I've never read anything of yours on the subject where you've done owt but spout right-wing bollocks straight out of whatever rag you read, so let's see if you are actually capable of producing something intelligent. See if you're not just a loud and useless piece of fat after all... 😉
as i see it... pretty much EVERYONE that is voting tory is doing so in a reactionary, 'Labour are shite thus we'll get them out' style. Quoting wars, economy etc.
has anyone stopped to think that they arer all roughly the ****ing same? conservatives wont be better. they will be the same. or worse.
all this 'time to get the idiots out' is bollocks. you will be voting more idiots in, have a flick through the who's who in each party. each party is peppered with idiots.
votiong gordon brown out because grredy banks in the state flattened the worlds economy is ****ing stupid. at least come up with one good reason to vote tory other than 'its better than what we've got now'
There you go Talkemada, knock yer sen out. Maybe you could get that fellow Juan to help you with your sums and you could help him with his grammar:
[url= http://www.debtbombshell.com/ ]What we owe[/url]
No, Hora. I want to see [i]your[/i] ideas, not some reactionary right-wing bollocks.
Your ideas. About how the Tories are going to fix everything. Are you capable of coming up with any on your own?
Thought not. Must be all that spongy fat inside your brain... 😉
so pretty much what i said then.
full on tory supporter as a result of not liking the current situation.
and what would the tories have done given the last 4 years/economic downturn/bank collapse/failure of greece etc. etc???
who cares right? because at the moment their campaign is 'we are just like you! we dont like europe! gordon brown is an idiot! the country has too much debt!'
great set of values.
Talkemada, dear fellow. You think 'as you were' is the way forward don't you? We approaching a trillion of national debt. Three times higher than Greece's national debt and you are saying 'keep the same party'.
I don't think it warrants me entering a further dialogue with you on the matter unless you are intending to vote for any party but Labour?
Whats Browns election slogan? We need to create jobs to keep the economy growing. No Gordon, not public-sector linked jobs you idiot.
hora if you are trying to compare us to greece you obviously dont understand much about finance
our economy is much stronger than theirs, finance, manufacturing, pharamaceutical we wee all over them
they also have the lowest tax revenue collection in europe
taxes are tiny compared to here and as nobody especially those who can afford accountanats or to bribe the taxman pay substantial amounts of tax
funnily enough its the tories who think they can resolve the debt crisis by just cutting services and not raising NI and letting the rich off inheritance tax etc
i wonder how that will turn out
hora if you are trying to compare us to greece you obviously dont understand much about finance
In fairness, Hora doesn't really understand much about [i]anything[/i]...
Still waiting for [i]your[/i] thoughts on how the Tories are going to magically transform everything, Hora.
I suspect it will be a very, very long wait...
So lets keep Labour in? Madness.
how can it be madness when you have no concept at all of the alternative.
all your saying is i've tried x and it was shite so im going for y.
you have no idea how bad they could be...
What I'm saying is you 'all' feel that Labour has done a good job and will continue a good job.
It strikes me as fear of the unknown or are you going to bang on about under Thatcher again.
What Hora doesn't realise is that most of us have already experienced Y and they were rubbish, so we went to X, which lets be honest have done a pretty good job and in comparison to Y are amazing. Why would we go back to Y when we know how amazing rubbish they were.
Z has a nice haircut mind you.
but i should imagine your reason (most people's reason) for not voting lib dem is quoted as 'fear of the unknown...'
voting tory as a result of not liking the way things are in the economy stinks of people voting ukip/bnp because they cant get a job because of 'all the immigrants'
hora you muppett you have not once said why you think the lot you havevoted for will be better have you so again why will the tories make it better? because labour are crap is not a good enough answer.
Vote for change I suspect as empyty and vacuous as your non argument
None of us think anyone could have done a great job under the circumstances but if you really think Dave and George will suddenly eradicate the debt and the borrowing you really are living in cloiud cukoo land ..too compare us to greece is like comparing you to Steve Peat after all you both ride bikes.
More like comparing Jeff Capes to Angelina Jolie as they both have nipples.
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Somehow, I think Hora secretly revels in his status as STW Resident Village Idiot!
You are funny though Hora, and never deliberately nasty or malicious, so carry on, it's entertaining!
Hora can't even decide what bike's right for him, and they let him loose with a vote??? 😯
the problem for us here (and by us it seems i mean team 'not hora')
is that a good portion of the nation is currently thinking just like him.
voting blindly for 'change'
vote for change, im angry lets have a change, change change change...
but change to what? they (and i) have no ****ing clue what a blue government would mean these days...
Ooooh the socialists are out in force here, everyone must be equal, the state owes you a living, redistribute the wealth etc
Makes me sick. You want a nice life, work hard, no make that bloody hard, get a good job & screw everone else is my view on life.
Oh dear...
Nurse? He's got out of his room again. 🙄
Sad, really, isn't it?
we know you BNP voting thick moron - you know they want to nationalise things dont you to share the wealth aboutor did you just see the racism and that was enough for you?
I assume you think the Queen and the Duke of Westminster worked very hard for their inherited wealth then 🙄
Working really really hard and screwing everyone else sounds a pretty horrid life to me, but heh if it works for you and keeps you happy go for it!
swoon... my hero... swoon.
what a fantastic view on life.
We approaching a trillion of national debt. Three times higher than Greece's national debt and you are saying 'keep the same party'
One question - just because labour were in power when that happened, why does that make it their fault?
There's a fair bit of bullying here. Hora is not the most diplomatic of people but is entitled to his views and they are as legitimate as everyone elses. Not done himself any favours by linking to the mail etc.
I dont think Labour have done a good job, time for someone else to have a turn. I've voted tory due to local policies but I won't be upset if the libdems get in overall.
as i see it... pretty much EVERYONE that is voting tory is doing so in a reactionary, 'Labour are shite thus we'll get them out' style. Quoting wars, economy etc.
WTF is wrong with that? What could be worse than starting an illegal war? Are you comfortable with the way labour sent our armed forces into Iraq and the outcomes?
Maybe we're not confident in mr darlings abilities as chancellor. Osborne may not be any better but there's only one way to find out, and I don't think can be much worse.
shit situation i guess then...
vote out the current leaders as you are so angry with them, only to vote back in the party you last voted out because everyone was so angry with them.
i guess its cyclical, and ultimately just shows how useless the whole process is.
what i was trying to say, was that voting out a party for 'change' and for 'better' is more than likely to result in more of the same, and hence is a bizarre reason to get rid of party - particularly when in doing so you vote in a party that everyone had an equal if not higher level of hatred for less than two decades ago...
more tax is coming, things are going to get worse before they get anywhere near better. no matter what happens tonight/tomorrow.
I only hit on a few quotes on google. I could spend a couple of years on this and draw up a Thesis for you with the pro's and con's of both sides but I'd rather earn a wage.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=206
More generally, the public sector recorded deficits between 1991/92 and 1997/98 before moving into surplus in 1998/99. Deficits have been recorded since 2002/03.
When Labour took office in 1997, debt was £350 billion.
Alistair Darling announced plans to borrow another £700 billion over the next five years.
Somehow, I think Hora secretly revels in his status as STW Resident Village Idiot!
I don't know about that. I'm working class, put myself through Uni and worked in any job as long as it was work. I've even worked in two McDonalds to pay the bills whilst I studied as I couldn't face being professional student and not work. My bestfriend once worked on the bins briefly at his lowest ebb.
So when someone puts down his books for a second and makes comments about others lower than him I feel thats disingenuous.
I don't look at people with more money and think 'you greedy bastards' and I don't think someone owes me something either.
Therefore I chose to vote who I want to vote for and I don't feel I have to explain it in detail all day long. Don't we have this subject daily with alot of the same characters?
I vote for whoever I feel will benefit this country.
My only weakness is I am too nice in life. Peace.
Once in every few years the country needs detoxification otherwise the power becomes too intoxicating to those in power so a vote against them is needed to ensure their heads do not get too big.
Labour has been in power for a while now so it's time for them to move on and let others have a go.
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perhaps tracknicko, but if a party has not performed well (in my eyes), they don't deserve another term. A period of quiet reflection, if you will.
i guess its cyclical, and ultimately just shows how useless the whole process is.
Agreed but I think it should be cyclical, it's the only way any will improve. A comfortable position is often a complacent one.
It's just down to picking the best of a bad bunch IMHO.
I agree that the previous boundaries between the big 3 are more blurred now. New labour are no more liberal than the tories, just like to be seen to be. All have policies I both like and dislike.
That's all well and good, Hora, but where's your proposal on how the Tories are going to fix the problem? You know, what I asked you for hours ago? All you've done is continue to bang on about the National Debt, without actually coming up with any viable way of reducing it. A bit like the Tories.
I've cleaned toilets, swept up rubbish, worked in a meat packing plant, all sorts of not particularly nice jobs. As have loads of people. What's your point? Personally, I want for nothing now, but am concerned about how many other people struggle to make ends meet, because of a system that is skewed towards rewarding those who choose to pursue making money, rather than helping their fellow citizens. Your attacks on Public Sector workers are ignorant and insulting. Many of your comments and statements are pretty ignorant of the real facts, let's be honest. Mostly load of populist rhetoric. Do you ever stop to really think something through?
You come up with fatuous statements, but seldom seem to have the wherewithal to back them up.
And you wonder why you get stick? 🙄
FWIW; I reckon you're probably a pretty sound person in 'real life'. I'd have no problems having a pint with you.
As long as you got a ****ing round in too; Binners has told me about your fiscal policies..... 😉
I'm voting tory in the morning
ding dong the bells are gonna chime
Your vote won't count after 10:00pm.
think we probably agree deep down backhander. im more inclined to give LD a shot this time though.
I was tempted, but even after trying I just couldn't find much about my local LD candidate.
To be fair to him, the toryboy has been campaining on a few local issues and seems quite in touch with the area. I did send him an email that said in so many words "you got my vote this time, if you get in you better not have lied to us or f*ck everything up" I wanted to put the "c" word on the end but was concerned that a CPO for my back garden would come winging my way!
ha ha ha. that seems a good solution.
'ere mate... im voting for you, so don't make me regret it. or ill nut ya!'
perfect.