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I was moved by this but surely being comforted by the one man who could have made a difference sticks in my throat!
he couldn't make a difference as he won't bring in the living wage - even if he was going to be in charge after thursday
Sticks in your throat to think she works at the treasury and the amount of money bankers have had from the taxpayer to bail them out and still nothing changes, were is the balance. Very sad.
Moaning faced cow
Her mother should have paid more attention in school and she wouldn't have ended up as a cleaner.
i thought all civil servants were overpaid lazy wasters that are of no use to society.
If the woman was poor and evidently would struggle to support offspring, then she should have made the decision NOT to have children.
Seems obvious to me.
If the woman was poor and evidently would struggle to support offspring, then she should have made the decision NOT to have children.Seems obvious to me.
And it seems obvious to me, that your mother shouldn't have had children. Some people just make mistakes.
+1 ernie
If the woman was poor and evidently would struggle to support offspring, then she should have made the decision NOT to have children.Seems obvious to me.
And it seems obvious to me, that your mother shouldn't have had children. Some people just make mistakes.
nice!
If the woman was poor and evidently would struggle to support offspring, then she should have made the decision NOT to have children.
You hearless b@st@rd. Have you read Dickens?
"They are Man's," said the Spirit, looking down upon
them. "And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers.
This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,
and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for
on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the
writing be erased. Deny it!" cried the Spirit, stretching out
its hand towards the city. "Slander those who tell it ye!
Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse.
And bide the end!"
"Have they no refuge or resource?" cried Scrooge.
"Are there no prisons?" said the Spirit, turning on him
for the last time with his own words. "Are there no workhouses?"
I think Brown's as upset by that kind of situation as anyone who isn't personally involved. In the clip you can tell he's squirming and hand wringing - but he always seems to me to genuinely care.
Not sure the same can be said for others.
How about we all pay more income tax to fund public services?
Worst protest ever
Oh dear - looks like a school drama class re-enactment.
How about we all pay more income tax to fund public services?
How about we nationalise the banks and utility companies so that their profits can fund public services?
Probably the cleaners are paid for by a large private company who makes a profit on their work and has no pension to pay for its workers, its called privatisation ,and thatcher brouht it in.
As for haveing no laptop,there is a free government scheme to give laptops free to low waged families,Comet are part of the scheme, as are some schools.
Some of the banks are almost privatised in words but not actions of the government.
The utility companies are owned by foreigners.
Moaning faced cowHer mother should have paid more attention in school and she wouldn't have ended up as a cleaner.
If the woman was poor and evidently would struggle to support offspring, then she should have made the decision NOT to have children.
Seems obvious to me.
part of a rounded personality is compassion - didn't they teach you that at Eton?
probably the most khuntish things i've seen posted here, which takes some doing
The thing that strikes me most about it is the fact he just sat there and did nothing - was he waiting for Mandy to go and comfort her? Great chance to demonstrate some compassion and show that he does have 'feelings', gone begging. Tony would have been straight in there with a hanky and flowers.
He really is a dour b@st@rd.
The thing that strikes me most about it is the fact he just sat there and did nothing
I take it that you didn't bother watching the clip til the end then ?
How about we nationalise the banks and utility companies so that their profits can fund public services?
Are you saying Labour privatised them all? ..... because I think you'll find.......
Saddest thing about this election is the level of self interest shown by so many voters. Somebody new will probably be in charge on Friday and they'll all be happy and forget about politics until fuel prices rise, or the Sun bleats about immigration or Health, and then they'll demand the next change.
Are you saying Labour privatised them all?
😕 Eh ?........wtf you on about ?
BoringBob - Member
Moaning faced cowHer mother should have paid more attention in school and she wouldn't have ended up as a cleaner.
That rash not cleared up yet then? Must be very itchy...
I take it that you didn't bother watching the clip til the end then ?
Yes I did. Too little, too late and well after she had been comforted by loads of others.
how about we nationalise the banks and utility companies [i]and[/i] pay more taxes- redress the balance a bit
Ive tried to make a point of not being nasty to people on the internet, some arseholes dont half make that difficult
........after she had been comforted by loads of others.
Loads of others like her mother, family and friends ?
Gordon Brown clearly waited until he was convinced that she had [i]actually finished[/i], before getting up.
I'm sorry if you think that he should have acted like a quick off the mark paedophile and hugged her the very moment she started sobbing, but I reckon he did it just right - any sooner would have been unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.
And what do you mean by saying that he did "[i]too little[/i]" ?
What exactly did you expect him to do ........sit her of his lap ffs ?
Oh and btw, you originally said, quote :[i]"he just sat there and did nothing"[/i]........as now you claim that you had seen the whole clip, why did you say that ?
Ooh we have a Gordon fan.
Can't be bothered to argue with you, especially as you are rather quick (quite inappropriately) to use a paedophile analogy.
That was my opinion, if you don't like it I really don't care. 🙄
Ooh we have a Gordon fan.
No, I can't stand the geezer ..........nor any of the other New Labour shower, for that matter.
What I don't understand is why you said, quote :
[i]"The thing that strikes me most about it is the fact he just sat there and did nothing"[/i]
When it is very clear that he gets up to comfort her.
[b][i]"That was my opinion"[/i] [/b]
No it wasn't. It was a false comment. You admitted afterwards that you had seen him get up - so why did you say that he hadn't ?
And you still haven't explained what you mean by him having done "too little". He put his arm round her and comforted her - what more did you want him to do ? Hug her ? Kiss her ? What ?
BTW, the paedophile analogy was [i]completely appropriate[/i].........had he done any more, he would have looked like one.
Did she cry for an iMac 24"?
🙄
The problem isn't the wages, it's the cost of living. Principally housing.
None of the parties want to tackle that problem though.
None of the parties want to tackle that problem though.
Clegg did tackle this almost sensibly in a session this week - [url=
But in general it's gone in the "too hard" bucket for all the parties (as shown by the waffle in the last TV debate) - deflating house prices is not a vote winner, it's another tough thing that the next government will have to sort out.
Damn it. After watching the clip he looks like a human being with compassion for a girl doing a very difficult thing and having a hard time doing it. I think he judged it just right.
agree, he was clearly agitated, all that rocking and hand movement - but he wanted to let her finish.
well, i suppose she could always go back to chile and get a job there, perhaps she could then afford the laptop she was whining on about not being able to afford
None of the parties want to tackle that problem though.
I think when it does happen, it'll be a case of very slow price growth, at less than the rate of inflation, causing house prices to fall in real terms, but not in such a way as the average joe will notice or understand.
Surely over the last 13 years Gordon and the Government had an oportunity to fix this kind of thing?
Living wage is an interesting one. If companies are obliged to pay there staff a living wage then they may end up automating and/or moving to a cheaper country (we've already seen it with call centres and manufacturing going to India and China). This will result in job losses putting burden on us all to pay there total living costs. Better to have a lower wage topped up by the government/tax payer than have the entire sum payed by the tax payer?
The first and IMO obvious step is to stop people paying tax on any income below a living wage and redistribute the burden higher up (despite my hatred of the Lib Dem "Fair Tax System" policy), this stops the waste involved in taxing people and then giving them their money back as benefits.
Cue, angry Labour supporters...
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If the woman was poor and evidently would struggle to support offspring, then she should have made the decision NOT to have children.
Seems obvious to me.part of a rounded personality is compassion - didn't they teach you that at Eton?
probably the most khuntish things i've seen posted here, which takes some doing
So, what's wrong with saying if she couldn't afford kids she shouldn't have had them, people need to have a bit of self-control, you shouldn't have kids then expect the state to look after them because you can't afford to, the country just cannot afford the bill, the country is skint, and it's not just the bankers fault, the government have to take some of the blame, Brown wasted the countries riches through years of profligate spending on the state benefits system, and if it takes 5 years of Tory government to bring down the welfare bill, well then so be it, 'cos Labour won't do it, and we will just end up like Greece.
Living wage is an interesting one. If companies are obliged to pay there staff a living wage then they may end up automating and/or moving to a cheaper country (we've already seen it with call centres and manufacturing going to India and China).
Maybe, maybe not. I can't help but feel that the prospect of outsourcing is used solely as a method of driving down pay (there are big problems with outsourcing for a business, that can outweigh the cost savings) - executive pay has risen massively in the West over the last 10-15 years, whilst the pay of everyone else has stayed fairly static. I don't see how that's fair or sensible.
So, what's wrong with saying if she couldn't afford kids she shouldn't have had them, people need to have a bit of self-control, you shouldn't have kids then expect the state to look after them because you can't afford to, the country just cannot afford the bill, the country is skint, and it's not just the bankers fault, the government have to take some of the blame, Brown wasted the countries riches through years of profligate spending on the state benefits system, and if it takes 5 years of Tory government to bring down the welfare bill, well then so be it, 'cos Labour won't do it, and we will just end up like Greece.
She could well have afforded to have kids when she had her daughter, but any number of circumstances in the intervening 14 years could have reduced her household income.
the waste involved in taxing people and then giving them their money back as benefits
A cynic would say that this process makes it look to the recipient more as though they are dependent on the government, whereas the alternative of not taking the money makes it look to them as though they are managing despite the government. Some governments may therefore prefer the current approach.
I never had a laptop to help with my homework. Didn't cry about it either.
"That was my opinion"No it wasn't. It was a false comment.
You take things too literally old boy but you don't seem to understand the term 'my opinion'. The facts are that he sat squirming with embarrassment and rubbing his knees when a more compassionate person eg. the clergyman first (undoubtedly a paed using your criteria) and then 23 seconds later her teacher? went to her assistance quite naturally. He did not get off his chair at this point, which was what I was referring to. Those are facts, my opinion and take on when I first viewed the clip was as per my first post.
Erm how would the government reduce house prices? Sureley house prices are based on what people are willing to pay for them (no doubt with a shedload of goading from estate agents and valuers)deflating house prices is not a vote winner
Tron......they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system, and before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic, anyone, black, white, green, yellow, british, german, chilean etc etc who think that the state owes them a living are gravely mistaken, the benefits system shouldn't be a way of receiving money to spend it on booze, fags, video games etc, unless all of those things have now become necessities of life.
have a look at the bbc today
this is the sort of scrounging scum I'm talking about, he should have his benefits cut, and his tubes, he's breeding for the benefits, and, mine and your taxes are paying for this scrounger to get p'ssed every day, this is what Labour has spawned over the past 13 years.
[i]So, what's wrong with saying if she couldn't afford kids she shouldn't have had them, people need to have a bit of self-control[/i]
toomanybikes, after my parents divorced when I was 6 my mother couldn't afford me either. I guess she should have shown a bit more self control and put up with the odd bit of violence.
Ianmunro.....completely different scenario, if your mum was the victim of domestic violence, she deserved all the help from the state that she needed, you're only reading into my comments what you want to read into them.
I'm just reading what you wrote.
Nope, i wrote, if you can't afford kids, don't have them in the first place, your mum was forced into a position through no fault of her own after she had you, and as I said, she deserved all the help the state could give
You take things too literally old boy but you don't seem to understand the term 'my opinion'.
Your opinion was that he did nothing to comfort her. He clearly did, which makes you either blind or proves that your opinions are meaningless.
Ernie was right.
So at what point in the process after a father f*cks off do you think mothers deserve all the help the state can give? 6 years? 6 months? 6 weeks? -6 weeks? -6 months?
Surfer
.........and your post proves that your ability to read and absorb information is very selective and limited.
Ernie took my initial post literally and I stand by what I said. He (Brown) sat and did nothing while the girl was unable to speak and his eventual 'comforting' was 'too little, too late' IMO 🙄
You said
The thing that strikes me most about it is the fact [b]he just sat there and did nothing[/b] - was he waiting for Mandy to go and comfort her? Great chance to demonstrate some compassion and show that he does have 'feelings', gone begging. Tony would have been straight in there with a hanky and flowers.He really is a dour b@st@rd
My emphasis. Did you mean this metaphorically as he clearly "did do something.
Those who say that labour have not done enough to ensure fair wages - at least they have tried - minimum wage ( resisted by the tory party) and working family tax credits to help those who still don't earn enough.
The working poor are much better off since labour came to power
Ok Surfer, as you seem unable to grasp what I mean, let me add the words to my initial post which might make it clearer, even to you and Ernest..........
[i]The thing that strikes me most about it is the fact he just sat there and did nothing [b]for +/- 30 seconds while the girl was upset/sobbing and unable to continue with her speech[/b]..........................[/i]
Does that clarify my statement or are you going to continue to be obtuse for the sake of it?
the amount of money bankers have had from the taxpayer to bail them out and still nothing changes
GRR!
Banks had to be saved to stop us all going down the tube.
The govt will get its money back and more.
Back to the topic - I'm not sure I'd have been able to comfort her, despite caring. Sometimes you don't know if it's patronising to put your arm around someone and say 'there there' or if that's what they need.
Woody.
as you seem unable to grasp what I mean
Its fine to completely change the content of your statement. To be clear however this is not clarification but a wholesale re-writing.
I think when you infer that people are a bit dense for reading what you wrote and responding to it, is a bit gaulling, thats all.
[i]The working poor are much better off since labour came to power [/i]
A help to many STWers. 😉
That's the great thing about the internet, a post which is not absolutely clear can be misinterpreted or distorted to suit the bias/viewpoint of the reader and lets face it, Ernie doesn't need much of an excuse to have a play on semantics.
It was late when I sent my original post but I did think my subsequent posts should have clarified what I actually meant.
I will be more careful next time 😉
the country is skint
Well not really we are still one of the richest countries on the planet and don’t look like we are about to become a third world country any day soon.
As for Labour?Brown could have helped more. Well they have introduced the Minimum wage which the Tories and industry resisted claiming it was unaffordable. They have introduced working family tax credits to enable more working people to have a living wage. Certainly more could always be done [see pensions, NHS,, Army, Roads, Schools etc] but it is hard to argue Labour has not tried to help the working poor and a lie to suggest the Tories have done anything to help the working poor
Cozzy you numpty have you really got no compassion? If so you have failed as a human all your posts are to the right of everyone else well done sir can you not just join an Ultra right wing web site and leave us be?
Some of the attitudes displayed on here merely prove my point about Selfish Britain [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tory-poster-graffiti/page/4#post-1384286 ](on the Tory poster graffiti thread)[/url] all the more. 🙁
Donk
Erm how would the government reduce house prices? Sureley house prices are based on what people are willing to pay for them (no doubt with a shedload of goading from estate agents and valuers)
It's not what they need to do, it's what they need to NOT do.
WTF do you mean ?
So by ignoring the house market entirely is the one true way the government can influence house prices 😯
Well, yes. Ignoring rampant housing inflation is one way to blow a bubble.
i.e Removing housing costs from the inflation figure used by the Bank of England to set interest rates back in 2003. We know what happened next.
i.e #2 Removing virtually all regulation and allowing jumbo mortgages to be given to every man and his dog, regardless of ability to repay.
On the way down measures like the special liquidity scheme, support for mortgage interest and others designed expressly to artificially prop up the market with taxpayers money stop the bubble correcting.
LOL ....... thats precisely the sort of thing that would make you check to see if your mike was still on afterwards, especially on the last day of polling! Hope all 3 candidates saw it and had pause for thought as a result. Regardless of party politics, its a very good idea thet every now and again that they get confronted with the reality on the ground that their assorted dogmas impact upon.
hewkw - Member
Did she cry for an iMac 24"?
no because everyone knows they're obsolete - it's all about the 27" baby 🙂
Why has this teen been given the exposure? I'm struggling to see how my Mum working around the clock when I was younger means that family should get housing, MORE money etc etc etc?
Whats happening to this country? No one owes you anything. Thats where the proverbial chip on the shoulder comes from.
Her mother should have paid more attention in school and she wouldn't have ended up as a cleaner.
Funny that. As Dr (like as in real Dr not medical professional) I'll have to work behind a McDonald's counter real soon to pay the bills. So I fail to see the logic in your comment.
Apply what you've learnt? 🙄
No one owes you anything. Thats where the proverbial chip on the shoulder comes from.
See I have tried very hard to ignore the loud and useless piece of fat that you are. But I just cant. Obviously the state owes you nothing. However modern society tend to redistribute the wealth to help the less fortunate, or the very stupid like you. I know someone like you, whose brain is so packed up with fat, will fail to understand such concept, but I think it's important to try to explain it. After all the state is going to pay your healthcare bill when in a couple of year when you'll need surgery for your heart condition. Why should they? You could lay off the booze junk food and ride your bike instead off spending your time on the classified, you will save the save quite some money.
I have to admit though you're very good. you made me fail in ignoring you.
That's some quality abuse juan.
useless piece of fat that you are
Quality.
It [i]is[/i] hia opinion though and he [i]is[/i] entitled to it.
I think we need some clarency on what makes someone "less fortunate", which would imply luck.
Juan - easy with the nastiness mate.
Sorry molgrip, I just can't, don't care if I get a ban, but having such a moron displaying contempt on a daily basis just really pisses me off..
I think fortune comes into it when some folk are born with the brains/wit/aptitude to get themselves at least a reasonable job and standard of living, and some are not. I know some folk with personality problems who'd have to be extremely fortunate to find a job with a boss sympathetic enough to be able to work with them and get the best from them.
Not saying I don't agree with you Juan 🙂 But your argument will be all the better and more persuasive if you don't resort to abuse 🙂
Juan, everyone is allowed an opinion. Beit abject/the opposite to yours. In addition its an internet forum, you really do need to have abit of fun/relax on these.
I didn't mean you any ill by my post BTW- It was humour aimed at your comment on someone elses stark-viewpoint/comment.
Why would it resort in a ban? I'm not going to complain. You are venting off- its allowed, its a forum IMO.
C'mon everyone lighten up thats a quality rant by juan. Precisely what this forum needs more of IMHO. Power to yer elbow fella
Molgrips; is this luck or just life?(Of course, I do not include disabled people in this which you may have been alluding to?).
I'm certainly not perfect and grew up what I call "council flat poor" but I get by due to working hard (no luck involved) and I know plenty of "dim" or unsociable/difficult people who manage to work.
Why has this teen been given the exposure?
Because a lot of people in this country, for a multitude of reasons find themselves in a situation where they are trying to live on an income that can't cover even a basic standard of living.
What society does owe them is the opportunity to get out of that situation, not to be screwed over by ****ers only after profit.
This thread is pretty much par for the course, lots of I'm all right **** you types who have always made the right decisions, done the best they can, faultless, judgemental tossers.
Does anyone have a link to more info on the family?
There appears to be something wrong somewhere, when a mother and grandmother are both working at the treasury (albeit as cleaners) and yet the family have to live on lentils for a week.
There appears to be something wrong somewhere, when a mother and grandmother are both working at the treasury (albeit as cleaners) and yet the family have to live on lentils for a week.
Are you being cynical (i.e. a Labour stunt?).
Could be they have a mortgage and struggling to make repayments etc?
There are dim/unsociable people who manage to work, and there are some that don't. I think that the less useful, manageable, stable or capable you are the fewer job options you have and the more luck you might need in order to hold a job down.
And it's luck, AND it's life. Seems evident to me that luck is a fairly large factor in life, is it not?
For example, I'm fairly workshy, I absolutely hate working and get very bored very quickly. However it so happens that I naturally have an aptitude for something that is in demand and not so many people are as good at it as I am. So I make a good living. Fair? No.. but fortunate, hell yes.
EDIT: Wtf does them working at the treasury have to do with anything? It's just a govt dept..
Hora - not being cynical, just that I would like more facts before reaching an opinion. I certainly don't think it was a Labour stunt as it would reflect rather badly on them that a family is living in apparent poverty having been here for most of their period of government.
Because a lot of people in this country, for a multitude of reasons find themselves in a situation where they are trying to live on an income that can't cover even a basic standard of living.
Does that mean that the minimum wage is pretty much useless?
I'm in favour of a minimum wage BTW, but if doesn't allow even a basic standard then it's not doing its job.
lots of I'm all right **** you types who have always made the right decisions, done the best they can, faultless, judgemental tossers.
It's absolutely right to help out those who [i]need[/i] it (through taxation etc), but exactly what is wrong with making good decisions, doing the best you can and wanting to reap the benefits?