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Interesting.
FACT CHECK: Financial advisers Hargreaves Lansdown have calculated that private sector employees would need to build up a pension pot of £189,151 - equivalent to £6,300 each year for 30 years - to receive the average annual pension paid to civil servants.It estimates the equivalent comparative figures for NHS workers and teachers are £221,155 and £298,596.
= just some poor fiction then?
You're welcome to go:
[b]Routes into Teaching Information Day[/b]
With Canterbury Christ Church University and TDA on Wednesday 22 June at 9.30am-4pm in B.509/2.100, DBM Career Centre.
...if you can get you head out of your arse and find your way there!
What did folks make of Danny Alexander's line in the sand"?
"by far the best likely to be on the table for years to come"
yunki - Memberyou pays peanuts.... you gets monkeys
Not necessarily, you get people who do the job for rewards that are greater than money alone. Teachers, nurses, soldiers and the police do not do the job for the money which allows us to see, at a time of striking, who does it for the money alone. 😉
want to know whats really funny, due to the fact year11 and year 13 are on exam leave I have no lesson the day of the strike!
What about all the other bits that clink has to do?
Absolutely.Yesterday [u]I was in school for 7.20[/u] (been in school until 8.30 night before). [u]Phoning parents from 8[/u]. Taught most of day. [u]Saw kids during my 'break[/u]'. [u]Dealt with an assault on a member of staff[/u]. [u]Had a meeting with parents during my lunch 'break[/u]'. Left school at 4.30 to collect my kids. [u]Spent 3 hours in evening writing reports[/u].
Not saying other jobs are not harder. But teaching isn't 'piss easy'.
😉
I expect clink is further up the payscale, although I have a A level biology field trip to plan and a scheme of work for GCSE biology to write. For a classroom teacher like me who has the delight of being given loads of year 11 and year 13 teaching to do this time of year is usually fairly quiet. But I suspect thats the reason the strike is when it is.
28th June is the last day of the exam period I believe. Science modules I think, always last in the cue. 😉
anagallis, you couldn't sort my Geography KS3 re-write while you are at it?
Science modules I think, always last in the cue
Yay for edyerkayshun and proppa speling!
After starting this post I have begun to develop a bit of sympathy for teachers, a few factor for this thinking...
...some teachers (not all) considering hemselves as somehow speacial and the only sector of the UK work force that work hard for a living, I think this is deluded (living in a bubble) so therefore I sympathise in that respect.
...in recent years they are falling (resentfully) more in line with the private sector in terms of effort at work. So I sympathise that they have to be able to 'cope' with that.
...the reality that the public sector (public servants) have to adapt to changes in economic fortunes wich are driven by factors out of most peoples control. So I sympaphise with all public sector workers wrt that. I'm a realist & my wife's a nurse.
& my wife's a nurse
Your wife's a nurse ? .........you should have mentioned that in the beginning.
If your wife being a nurse doesn't give the right to slag off teachers, then I don't know what does !
want to know whats really funny, due to the fact year11 and year 13 are on exam leave I have no lesson the day of the strike!
Our Y12s are back in to begin A2 work, so I'd have had a full timetable that day (the afternoon was off timetable for careers talks anyway).
Been looking at donkey jackets and oil drums on eBay 😉
So I sympaphise with all public sector workers wrt that. I'm a realist & my wife's a nurse.
Is she your carer 😉
Why not say all that to your wife about the real world and how she cant cope sure she will appreciate your concern
I thought i'd read this thread to see if I could understand the teachers point of view on striking because in the press they aren't coming across very well and I still can't. I don't think for a minute it's an easy job and I personally couldn't think of anything worse to do for a living but on this point I think you are in the wrong. We all have it tough at the moment and your still better off than a lot of people. I agree with the earlier post about it being as much to do with an ageing population as tough times. Why should the rest of us prop up your pension?
As a side note I can see why so many people feel the need to correct peoples spelling and grammer on this forum as there are clearly a lot of teachers! Mine is bad but correcting it and trying to make me feel small is something which annoys me. It's even worse from teachers because the reason mines so bad isn't due to a lack of intelligence it's down to a poor education as i'm sure it is with many others.
It's even worse from teachers because the reason mines so bad isn't due to a lack of intelligence it's down to a poor education as i'm sure it is with many others.
There are, of course, two sides, the other side of teaching is learning. Can you blame the teachers for poor learning?
Why should the rest of us prop up your pension?
Fail you dont have to the last agreement states that legally any shortfall has to be met by the members not us. It even gets mentioned on this thread a few times....I can see why you missed it though and feel I should personally apologise for your error etc.
Don Simon
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink
In more coarse terms you cannot polish faeces [ that poo by the way Burls]
Is she your carer
Yes, and it's mutual
doesn't give the right to slag off teachers
Exactly where have I slagged off teachers?
I agree with the earlier post about it being as much to do with an ageing population as tough times. Why should the rest of us prop up your pension?
Agree; agree; agree!!!!
See if a [s]someone deluded and living in a bubble[/s] teacher will help you get it or perhaps that will be too much like hard work for them 🙄
FFS that is not true we are not propping it up teachers will pay with extra contributions
Can you blame the teachers for poor learning?
Yes, during the last parents evening when I asked about some practical measures to improve my daughters maths skills, I was told by the teacher...."have you heard of Kumon? some of the other parents pay for private tuition....". Totally palmed-off, not only paying to prop up pensions, but actually adived to pay for provate tuion - By the teacher!!!!????!!!
perhaps the teacher realised it was beyond your skill level to help and only a paid professional would do ?
Yes, during the last parents evening when I asked about some practical measures to improve my daughters maths skills, I was told by the teacher...."have you heard of Kumon? some of the other parents pay for private tuition....". Totally palmed-off, not only paying to prop up pensions, but actually adived to pay for provate tuion - By the teacher!!!!????!!!
That's an interesting story, but can you blame the teacher for poor learning? You know, studying at home? Doing homework? Being motivated and encouraged by the parents? Do you even know the difference between teaching and learning? 🙄
sticks hand me sir me I know this one me sir please sir MMMMMEEEEE
PS I think he has my old keyboard
paid professional
Excuse me....I thought 'teaching' was a proffesion??
I hope my hours, and hours, ...and hours! (on top of [i]my[/i] job) of going over past SATS papers 1to1 with my daughter my have recovered the complete failure of the school - but then, I'm not the expert!!!! Ironically, when my daughter (proudly) revealed our efforts to her teacher, she was told "don't bother doing past papers". Well, there you go, damned if you do damned if you don't.
That's an interesting story, but can you blame the teacher for poor learning? You know, studying at home? Doing homework? Being motivated and encouraged by the parents? Do you even know the difference between teaching and learning?
Yes, that's why we signed the contract. ref my first post!!
proffesion
'profession'. As I said the parents need to take some responsibility for the failure of their children, it's not always the teacher's fault. 😉
What is your solution to the problem, akysurf?
sticks hand me sir me I know this one me sir please sir MMMMMEEEEE
PS I think he has my old keyboard
Whooosh, lost you there!
'profession'. As I said the parents need to take some responsibility for the failure of their children, it's not always the teacher's fault
Ohhhh, I'm so humbled"
sorry, I meant "Oh"
Ohhhh, I'm so humbled"
Excellent, so now we can make a start in the right direction. If I can teach you, then you'll be able to teach your children. And that was for free because I like helping people. 😉
What is your solution to the problem, akysurf?
Send your kids to school.
doooh, the schools shut, the teachers are picketing, doooh I have to have a day away from work, doooh the business suffers, doooh the business fails, doooh the no tax revenue, dooh economy fails, doooh the teachers don't get their pensions.
...any ideas??
you'll be able to teach your children.
That will be revealed in the SATS results.
However, one thing that was very apparent when I went through the past papers was just how many mistakes there were in the questions, unbelievable!!!!
In fact the so much time was wasted by my daughter trying to resolve the mathematically imposible.
However, one thing that was very apparent when I went through the past papers was just how many mistakes there were in the questions, unbelievable!!!
True - that the exam boards though. No excuses - of course exams shouldn't have mistakes. Problem is there are twice as many exams as there used to be; exams in Year 10 as well as 11, re-takes all over the place etc.
System for exams is now far too complicated. Not quite sure who benefits other than the exam boards.
...any ideas??
Throwing my question back at me isn't a good idea, as clearly I asked as I have no idea.
I am failing to see the link between the teachers' pensions and the teachers being responsible for the kids not learning. Looks like folks not taking responsibility for their own actions and simply trying to blame someone else for their own failings. My kid is stupid... Blame the teachers. My pension is crap... Blame the person who told me to be a teacher. Wake up and look at all sides. I am a teacher and I completely disagree with the strike, but I do understand it and the consequences and the reasons for it.
akysurf - Member
sticks hand me sir me I know this one me sir please sir MMMMMEEEEE
PS I think he has my old keyboard
Whooosh, lost you there!
It was reply to DS 🙄
you could have spotted this what with it following his post that had ? at the end.
System for exams is now far too complicated
Fair comment. I think education has become too 'processed' and centralised.
...any ideas??
Hire a childminder and quit whining?
Throwing my question back at me isn't a good idea
Precisely why I gave you an answer..."Send your kids to school.
I am failing to see the link between the teachers' pensions and the teachers being responsible for the kids not learning
I love for my kids to be given the chance to go to school and learn, ahhhh but when the teachers are no there because they are striking due to pensions.....oh stop - hang on - is there a link there?
My kid is stupid... Blame the teachers.
Why not? for example, I don't speak french. My kids go to shool to learn freanch. my kids fail their exams- my fault??
Hire a childminder and quit whining?
Perhaps the first valid comment for a while
My kids go to shool to learn freanch. my kids fail their exams- my fault??
What is [i]freanch[/i] btw? 😆
You are presuming kids [i]want[/i] to learn. Some don't. Granted part of a teachers job is to motivate. However it isn't always possible. In my experience the biggest barriers to progress in learning are linked to factors at home, out of the schools control.
Akysurf.. your kids fault I reckon 😉
Wake up and look at all sides
Yep, Danny Alexander completely 'dogs-me-off' with his arrogance. As with most politicians.
What is freanch btw
As I say, spoken/written I admit, useless.