[Closed] Teachers striking again!!!!!

project - Member

Wasnt meant to be funny, but truth, why do we need a national pay scale, and national conditions, supply and demand, and in working class areas you need working class skills/trades and in the more affluent areas you need more academic lessons, to suit the parents ideologys.

The lab boys are a little busy still with the last one so there might be a delay here.

You are talking shite my friend.

No I'm not, as I said, I'm speaking from personal experience.

I'm a teacher type and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it feels a bit early to strike - I want to see exactly what the government will propose not just what has been recommended. And a totally crap time to strike tbh - A levels and GCSEs have been sat and those kids are on leave - most (secondary) schools can probably cope with a few staff away by the end of this month.

It's a shame though, could be another reason to make teaching a 2nd choice career for many. I don't want to big myself up too much but I got a 1st class degree and won national competitions that marked me out as one of the best grads in my subject that year. I chose teaching above the jobs I could have done in the profession I was qualified for partly because of the job role but also because the whole package didn't look too bad. I calculated I would be (a lot) down on pay but would gain useable chunks of time off and a good pension. If the pension starts to look a little less rosy the more marketable grads like I was all those years ago might look elsewhere.

Another aspect I don't yet understand (need to use my friend Mr Google) is how it will work for someone in my situation. I will have half a career's worth of pension which I could draw from the age of 60 (as the changes won't be retrograde and only effect newly pensionable service) and half a career's worth that I can draw from 67. Do I leave my left hand side in bed in the morning whilst my right hand side goes to work?

You could become a science teacher and join the gravy train, there arent enough of them so its easy to get a job.

I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000's of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing "getting into teaching", it's near the bottom of the list next to "dog grooming franchise".

dog grooming franchise

Oh look teachers having MORE time off, like they don't have enough with flipping inset days and BH's must be a nightmare being a parent, your kids will never be at school.

Oh look pay freeze and increasing pension contributions, accepts it least they have a job. Oh and they can strike! mmmm I can't strike so I'm screwed have to live to accept it, get over it and move on.

no sympathy I'm afraid. I have friends who are teachers, one is on the high potential scheme thing and says being a teacher is easy. Especially secondary school, pick your topic right all your lession programmes, then repeat every year when you get your new year 7's! How hard can that be. Oh and maybe a bit of marking to do, before what 0830 when the kids arrive of after 1545 ....... what a long day that is? Phew, best go lie down (all said tongue in cheek of course ....) 😉

pick your topic [b]right[/b] all your lession programmes, then repeat every year when you get your new year 7's! How hard can that be.

I believe there's a literacy requirement in teaching which rules some people out so maybe harder than [b]you[/b] might think

I can't strike

I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000's of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing "getting into teaching", it's near the bottom of the list next to "dog grooming franchise".

it's near the bottom of the list next to "dog grooming franchise".

Here's a suggestion, how about teachers striking during the school holiday's, there's loads of days to choose from, no effect on pupils and parents. It's win/win.

..and shitetalking is near the top, which is maybe why you took it?

I take it you don't believe me?

LycraLout that comment was from a teacher! As each year 7 is different, so have the curriculum to teach them say about the Merthyr riots plan the lesson as per guidelines on what should be taught, each year get a new year 7 class use the same plan!

As for careers advice, no teacher at my school ever gave me any advice that was useful! Utter bo*****s! Found my career by digging and nosying myself.

that comment was from a teacher!

A teacher who doesn't know the difference between right and write? Seriously? Perhaps you should be on strike and let someone with some basic literacy skills do the teaching.

I take it you don't believe me?

Oh FFS think you'll find the teacher does know the difference it's me that doesn't (well I do, I'm just typing quickly and being a muppet as I'm multi-tasking).

I also spent 2 summers teaching English to foreign kids, I had no lessons and it really wasn't that difficult, although it was utter shite IMO as I hated every minute of it. Certainly wasn't hard though!

I also spent 2 summers teaching English to foreign kids, I had no lessons and it really wasn't that difficult, although it was utter shite IMO as I hated every minute of it. Certainly wasn't hard though!

Gosh, how did you work that out?

It's absolutely true.

I hated every minute of it.

Oh look pay freeze and increasing pension contributions, accepts it least they have a job

It's absolutely [s]true[/s] made up.

There, fixed it for you.

There, fixed it for you.

Thanks Lycra[s]Lout[/s]Luddite

says being a teacher is easy. Especially secondary school

I think swinging a door is a piece of piss, and yet strangely enough I know office wallahs who would struggle to put a shelf up level, never mind fitting a new front door.

Anyone who genuinely believes that teaching is "easy" and requires no special skills or training, as apparently you do Munqe-chick, is either utterly dishonest or some sort of idiot. Which one are you M-C?

Thanks Lycra[s]Lout[/s]Luddite

That the best you can do? Hardly PMSL there. Actually, was hoping you'd name this company of yours, but not surprised you didn't. Will I take a guess? CompletelyMadeUpCo?
Fiction Unlimited?

CompletelyMadeUpCo

Work it out yourself - clue: East kent

You have 30sec......go, tick tock tick tock...and the answer is?

Work it out yourself

...ran out of time - yep "Luddite"

I also spent 2 summers teaching English to foreign kids, I had no lessons and it really wasn't that difficult, although it was utter shite IMO as I hated every minute of it. Certainly wasn't hard though!

That's not teaching. That's working for a business.

each year get a new year 7 class use the same plan!

Because that really works when you have a class of kids with reading ages from 5-12 in one group. Just recycle the plan and leave the thick ones to it.

Nuff said!

[url= http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=562240 ]I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000's of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing "getting into teaching", it's near the bottom of the list next to "dog grooming franchise".[/url]

That where you got that little gem from?

LOL @ don Simon, very much agree but that for another thread 😉

@ Junkyard, I don't have any issues with my job (well I do but no related to this thread, and I'm not a dog handler). My point was in this climate where thousands are being made unemployed, or having to take pay cuts to keep a job then a 2 year pay freeze and increasing pension contributions is nowt. Lots of people up in arms about Windsor report not me, I appreciate that I have a job that is reasonably well paid and has a cracking pension.....although I won't see the benefit of that. But hey Ho that's life.

Okay maybe I was too flippant, teaching isn't easy but it certainly isn't hard 😉

That where you got that little gem from?

Reference:

[url= http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmsctech/805/805we07.htm ]http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmsctech/805/805we07.htm[/url]

.....External Job Opportunities.

I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000's of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing "getting into teaching", it's near the bottom of the list next to "dog grooming franchise".

Nothing about dog grooming or teaching on that link, and searching for the "External Job Opportunities" text returns

# A dedicated intranet site on matters concerning the proposal to exit the Sandwich site. On this site employees can find details of HR Policies, the Presentations/Documents and Minutes from the Colleague Forum, Information on the Government Task Force, External Job Opportunities that we have been approached with, News Bulletins, links to sites including "Polish your Presentation Skills", topics such as "Spin out Opportunities". There is also a "Submit your comments" question facility on the web site. We have also added external links to the Select Committee meeting on 28 February, so that colleagues can read about and watch the session with Pfizer.
# There is a specific "External Job Opportunities" page on the intranet site which is a centralised source of external job vacancies which we have been notified of since the announcement on 1 February of Pfizer's proposed exit from the Sandwich site.

Do rooms get darker when walk into them? I suspect you're dense enough to attract light

I recall that your question was....

hoping you'd name this company of yours

I gave you a clue....

Work it out yourself - clue: East kent

You have 30sec......go, tick tock tick tock...and the answer is?

pssst....it's Pfizer.

What we need is more acadamies where the managers set and enforce the curiculum, and also set the pay.

I'm a manager at an Academy - and will be on strike.

If employees in the private sector can't get organised and support each other to protect their pay and conditions, then I'm sorry. Others having to take cuts doesn't mean no-one else should fight it. If pay and conditions is so great for teachers, why do we struggle to fill vacancies?

boxelder - (I'm also a teacher, but now in the independent sector so possibly even more bolloxed than you by the changes) does this not feel just a tad early for striking? The government is still in consultation and is only going to publish it's actual proposals in the autumn. Surely then is the time to strike (it'll also have much more effect as examination age classes will actually be at school!).

As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing "getting into teaching", it's near the bottom of the list next to "dog grooming franchise".

You could become a science teacher and join the gravy train, there arent enough of them so its easy to get a job.

Bugger all jobs out there just now.

Any chance you two sad sacks could find a room and leave the thread to the grown ups?

Grown ups? Where?

*runs to hide in the cupboard under the stairs*

convert - let them know how we feel before they draw up plans, don't wait 'til it's decided. I don't want to affect exam classes! I don't want the students to be affected negatively at all.

True, it's not the teacher way to want to effect the plight of those in our charge and it's not good PR but a strike at this time of year is just symbolic. Maybe that's the point. I'm not convinced as I walk around the staffroom many of my colleagues have truly understood the potential changes - be they significant or reasonable.

Quarter to midnight and writing reports - 15 more to go tonight - god it's a dull part of the job!

convert,

You must be really poor at time management if you're having to work this late. Munge-Chick knows all about teachers and it's a piss easy job.

You must be really poor at time management if you're having to work this late. Munge-Chick knows all about teachers and it's a piss easy job

Absolutely.

Yesterday I was in school for 7.20 (been in school until 8.30 night before). Phoning parents from 8. Taught most of day. Saw kids during my 'break'. Dealt with an assault on a member of staff. Had a meeting with parents during my lunch 'break'. Left school at 4.30 to collect my kids. Spent 3 hours in evening writing reports.

[u]Not [/u]saying other jobs are not harder. But teaching isn't 'piss easy'.

you pays peanuts.... you gets monkeys

convert - Member
boxelder - (I'm also a teacher, but now in the independent sector so possibly even more bolloxed than you by the changes) does this not feel just a tad early for striking? The government is still in consultation and is only going to publish it's actual proposals in the autumn. Surely then is the time to strike (it'll also have much more effect as examination age classes will actually be at school!).

I would suggest that the time between the consultation "process" (which teaching unions were shut out of up here) and the applying of cuts may be fairly short. Two weeks up here between the chartered programme being "reviewed" and "closed"

The Hutton report found the average pension payments - including workers and dependents - in 2009-10 were as follows:

* Local government worker: £4,052
* NHS worker: £7,234
* Civil servant: £6,199
* Teacher: £9,806

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13775278