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Wow a whole 17 charge points for 425000 residents in Kirklees. Which are now going to get hammered as they are free.
Wow a whole 17 charge points for 425000 residents in Kirklees.
Do all 42500 thousands drive a car, own an electric car, have no access o their own power and plan to charge their cars at exactly the same time?
This map is interesting they’ve installed loads in the last 30 minutes.
So again you’ve not read what I typed. Nearly all of those are at restricted locations - B&B/hotels or car dealers (for customer use only) or car parks which charge a parking fee on top of the charging fee. I know, I’ve checked them all. You simple cannot use them unless you are staying at the hotel, using the car garage, or paying the parking fee on top.
In my map I didn’t even filter to ones which only need a debit/credit card.
You’re going to look pretty stupid if you keep reading things selectively.
So again you’ve not read what I typed. Nearly all of those are at restricted locations – B&B/hotels or car dealers (for customer use only) or car parks which charge a parking fee on top of the charging fee.
I did but you’re like Harry and trying to make out owning an EV is a really bad idea, it’s not but the infrastructure has a long way to go no one is deny that.
You’ve checked them all? Really you went around everyone single one?
You’re going to look pretty stupid if you keep reading things selectively.
Not as silly as someone selecting filters, some of which aren’t working, to,try and make a bad point.
oh look more folk finding their local charge points in odd locations.
several villages near me have their ONLY charge point in cafes/bnbs/pubs for customer use only.
one of which i know the owner reasonably well and they frequently get folk knocking on their door when the cafe is shut to use their charger - they have even had a german couple wave a phone at them and say this app(which is not something they have listed with) says you can charge here...... AT 2 AM
Wow a whole 17 charge points for 425000 residents in Kirklees. Which are now going to get hammered as they are free.
You have a point, I'd consider it a risk at the moment without a home charger. However, national stats say 60% of pop have a drive, this may not be the case in Kirklees but it won't be as far away as you seem to think. Those people have no need of other local charging. demand isn't there at the moment, but I don't think it will be long before you start seeing rows of chargers in all Shell / BP etc petrol stations and councils will be forced to do more when there's some demand.
I don’t think it will be long before you start seeing rows of chargers in all Shell / BP etc
BP bought charge you car network so yup I’m sure we will see more.
I did but you’re like Harry and trying to make out owning an EV is a really bad idea, it’s not but the infrastructure has a long way to go no one is deny that.
Again not reading what I wrote. I have never said owning an EV is a bad idea. A lot of people saying everything is rosy about EV charging but it simply isn’t. YOU might live in a place where EV charging is plentiful but a lot of people don’t.
I’ll say it again, if you can’t fit your own charge point then an EV isn’t really a viable option right now for anyone in my area. At the moment you can’t go into EV ownership without open eyes knowing the positives and negatives for the area you live in.
You’ve checked them all? Really you went around everyone single one?
I’ve been to 90% of all the locations where there are EV charging points in recent years around Huddersfield. I’ve seen a lot of these charge points recently as I’ve been considering an EV myself so keeping an eye out so I know where they are located and what restrictions there are. ZapMap confirmed what I knew at the places I’ve been to before and gives info about all the other locations.
I was going to make a list of all the charge points in my area and try to figure out which ones are useful for potential EV owners but I can’t find a way to export a list from ZapMap.
There’s no point in discussing this with you anyway as I’ve seen you argue about points in other threads. I am sure you’ll be able to take a sentence or two from this post and twist it to try and make me look stupid or try and argue in a different direction. If that makes you happy then go ahead I just feel sorry for you. I hope you are more reasonable in person.
Again not reading what I wrote. I have never said owning an EV is a bad idea. A lot of people saying everything is rosy about EV charging but it simply isn’t. YOU might live in a place where EV charging is plentiful but a lot of people don’t.
I have you keep implying it is. No one has said it’s rosey it needs a little bit of work now which can be a pain.
I’ll say it again, if you can’t fit your own charge point then an EV isn’t really a viable option right now for anyone in my area. At the moment you can’t go into EV ownership without open eyes knowing the positives and negatives for the area you live in.
That is more like it yes maybe not great with but as I said Calderdale council should also address this like other councils have. Of course you need to research if it’s viable for you but that’s the same for any car. I’ve not gone for one yet because of the limited range on early models but it’s highly likely I’ll be ordering one next.
ZapMap confirmed what I knew at the places I’ve been to before and gives info about all the other locations.
It seems it’s not that accurate with it’s filters though.
Having chargers at pubs and shops is a sensible business solution for towns, they get trade from those using the chargers and the customers get to charge their car. Free parking would be a much better idea on top of that something Newcastle city council should be thinking about as it’s a bit crap in Newcastle.
Free parking would be a much better idea on top of that something Newcastle city council should be thinking about as it’s a bit crap in Newcastle.
double edged sword really .
Electric cars are one application where park and ride really does make sense. Stick the space polution/storage out of town where there is space and use mass transit into the middle.
Electric cars are one application where park and ride really does make sense. Stick the space polution/storage out of town where there is space and use mass transit into the middle.
Makes sense for any car but yes that’s where York was great but encouraging people to go EV with no parking fees helps where people insist on parking outside the doors.
"York was great but encouraging people to go EV with no parking fees helps where people insist on parking outside the doors."
initially - great- the backlash dundee got for removing the free charging/parking for EVs hasnt been great.
Free parking and access to charge points at park and ride give them an incentive to use the park and ride and their EV
if they want to park in town then they continue to pay.
Free parking and access to charge points at park and ride give them an incentive to use the park and ride and their EV
if they want to park in town then they continue to pay.
Yeah I can see that argument too.
Electric cars are one application where park and ride really does make sense.
Not if you're parking a green-leccy charged car to jump onto a diesel bus it doesn't!
swedishmetal, try downloading wattsup app chose 'new journey' 'nearest charger' I'm pretty sure they just list public access chargers (not private or private destination) in descending order from your current location. i think it does include supermarkets etc, but they are places you can charge at without being expected to shop or use the facilities. might not include some really new or under construction
Not if you’re parking a green-leccy charged car to jump onto a diesel bus it doesn’t!
Are you saying people shouldn’t use public transport?
Not if you’re parking a green-leccy charged car to jump onto a diesel bus it doesn’t!
space polution is as much of an issue in city center as air.
we have hydrogen busses
we also have trains
Not if you’re parking a green-leccy charged car to jump onto a diesel bus it doesn’t!
But you have to consider the bus emissions against the number of passengers it carries on average.
Also, leccy buses and trams exist.
People who are considering an electric car need to get out of this obsession with public charging points. We’ve had a new shape Nissan Leaf for over a year and 20,000 miles now, and have used a public charging point TWICE. Once because it was a novelty and free at Tesco (and a good parking spot) and once at IKEA again for novelty value, because we didn’t need it for range. You plug the car in at night people; it’s always full in the morning, and unless you’re one of the 1%ers that drive LOTS a day (get a diesel car, it’s okay. They are designed for you) or doing one of your 1% long ass journeys (get a coffee) then you simply won’t routinely NEED public charging. We live semi rural, have family around an hour away that we see regularly and longish commutes and school runs (32mile round trip and 44mile round trip respectively).
Honestly, one of the very BEST things about an EV is never having to go to a petrol station again.
Think of it like your phone. It’s only if you hammer it or if your battery is knackered that you ever need to charge it during the day. If that’s the case, you need a different phone, not a petrol powered one.
Edit; and if you can’t charge at home, don’t get an electric car. They aren’t for you yet.
Get out of here V8 we don’t need reasonable arguments in an EV thread.
The biggest issue for me personally is a lack of EV estate cars. I know why they aren’t made (Biggest EV markets don’t really want them) but that doesn’t really help right now. If I got a car with a real 200 mile range I could use it for work but the amount of kit I have to keep with me means I effectively don’t have a boot space in my current car (Toyota Auris Hybrid - my works needs changed after I got it but I can’t swap it - 4 year lease!).
Hopefully in 2 years time that will have changed.
SUV style may be the answer I’m trying to resist the E-Tron 50 offer that popped up this week, it’s affordable on the deal they’re offering but delivery a little too early for me.
Check how you can transport bikes. My Toyota isn’t type approved for a tow bar so I can’t fit one (had to sell my Thule rack).
Couldn’t really get an SUV (don’t like them anyway) style if I had to put bikes on roof as neither me or my wife are very tall.
Friend of mine works for Audi and was boasting about them installing lots of chargers for their new electric cars. Chargers for Audi’s only - making the charger access problem worse!!!!
I know the ID 3 has a tow bar option but orders have paused on that although they’re hinting on being back on order soon.
I’ve always been an SUV hater then we got Kodaiqs at work they’re superb a lovely vehicle to drive and massive inside.
Friend of mine works for Audi and was boasting about them installing lots of chargers for their new electric cars. Chargers for Audi’s only – making the charger access problem worse!!!!
If true that’s ridiculous just like Tesla keeping their network locked.
Who has Ionity?, isn't that a handful of car companies. They have massively banged the price up for charging unless you have one of their cars, that's what I understand anyhow. So, everyone else can still use them, but you pay big time for it.
Who has Ionity?, isn’t that a handful of car companies.
Isn’t that what the German groups are heading down as they’re super chargers, I’ve seen one yet.
That's what swedishmetal's mate is on about I reckon. So, it's not a closed network, but outsiders pay a premium.
Ah maybe.
and Hyundai / kia
https://ionity.eu/en/news-storage/hyundai-on-board.html
Hmmm! And Ford too as well as VAG so that’s quite a lot of cars.
If the charging network doesn't eventually sort itself out then government will eventually need to step in and regulate.
e.g. Think back to the bad old days of mobile phone chargers before the EU legislation forced companies to adopt common USB standards. I think that is probably where we are now.
That’s what swedishmetal’s mate is on about I reckon. So, it’s not a closed network, but outsiders pay a premium.
You can look it up on Audi website, looks like Audi only to me but I didn’t delve too far.
Maybe there will be 2 tiers of EV charging in the end. Fancy expensive cars will get their own network where they can charge quickly and widely and normal cars will scrat around for facilities and be at the mercy of hundreds of small charging companies trying to harvest data and screw people out of as much money as possible. 😂😂
Audi have partnered with other manufacturers and Shell to form Ionity, a joint venture to create a European high–power charging network. By the end of 2020, Ionity will have installed more than 400 high-performance stations across Europe; 40 stations are currently planned for the UK with more to follow. Initially located along major motorways, Ionity stations will have the capability to charge at an output of up to 350kW - a significant boost to charging times achieved by current electric charging stations. For the Audi e-tron, it means the battery can be recharged to 80% in under 30 minutes and within 50 minutes for a full charge**.
Definitely says other manufacturers.
Maybe there will be 2 tiers of EV charging in the end. Fancy expensive cars will get their own network where they can charge quickly and widely and normal cars will scrat around for facilities and be at the mercy of hundreds of small charging companies trying to harvest data and screw people out of as much money as possible
Or maybe we'll end up with petrol stations adding charging as another string to their bow, and being as ubiquitous, if not more so, as they are now.
Fancy expensive cars will get their own network where they can charge quickly and widely and normal cars will scrat around for facilities and be at the mercy of hundreds of small charging companies trying to harvest data and screw people out of as much money as possible.
Sounds like something from Black Mirror. *dislikes*
Or maybe we’ll end up with petrol stations adding charging as another string to their bow, and being as ubiquitous, if not more so, as they are now.
Maybe, but you would think a common plug standard would be easy enough.
The Gulf in town has a charger so it's already a thing.
can you imagine the spark potential from your car in a petrol station given how dangerous* your mobile phone is.....
*i know its a myth - i know the danger is the distraction but still ..... sparky.
Maybe, but you would think a common plug standard would be easy enough.
Indeed most are starting to use CCS now.
How handy, the vast majority of chargers around here are Type 2. 22kw at that, some as low as 7.
How handy, the vast majority of chargers around here are Type 2. 22kw at that, some as low as
Yeah most around here have Type 2 minimum a few have others, type 2 fits ccs chargers.
If you are in a place with a vast majority of 18-22 kW type 2 chargers (I am) check out the rating of the car's onboard charger. Peugeot brags about its Peugeot 208's ability to fast charge at 100kW through the euro-combo plug but forgets to say that there are very few euro-combo chargers and next to none rated 100KW. And most important the Peugeot's onboard charger is only rated 7kW, so you can only draw 7kW from a type 2 charger even if it's rated higher. The Leaf has the same problem, it can charge at 50kW with a CHAdeMO but only 6.6kW on the more common type 2 chargers.
The Zoé can charge at 50kW on euro-combo (I wouldn't want to charge faster as it would reduce battery life) and has a 22kW on-board charger that can make full use of 18-22kW type 2 chargers.
can you imagine the spark potential from your car in a petrol station given how dangerous* your mobile phone is…..
*i know its a myth – i know the danger is the distraction but still ….. sparky.
I expect you're joking but It's a none issue, the pumps and screens are powered by electric in every petrol pump for gawd sake, as are a dozen other items dotted around the forecourt.
Difference being they will most likely be intrinsically safe.
Difference being they will most likely be intrinsically safe.
Just like mobiles.
There's already loads being installed in petrol stations anyhow, so it clearly isn't considered an issue beyond the usual HSE stuff and Petroleum regulations.