She would definitely be aware of the concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty’.
I think it's very much a theoretical concept to her
I’m struggling to get my head round the 4D chess that’s going on here.
The recent case has 7 victims - I guess there may be more. A conservative estimate is that there were 1,400 victims in Rotherham and 1,000 in Telford.
I think that you might have missed theotherjonv's point mefty.
I didn't get the impression that it was some sort of competition between this case and previous cases. Yes Rotherham involved far more people and was for a much longer period before the authorities put a stop to it.
But this latest case was apparently the largest ever child sex abuse case investigated by West Midlands Police. And the victims particularly young - the eldest 12 years old.
The very fact that so far only 7 victims have been identified actually probably makes it even worse imo. 7 children, the eldest 12, abused by 21 people for almost 10 years? FFS.
Hard as it might be to say one child abused 200 times must be worse than one child abused twice. The number of perpetrators is possibly even more of an issue than the number of victims, in my humble and completely non-expert opinion.
Anyway I understood theotherjonv's point to be not about the severity of the case but the fact that Braverman would have aware that the story was about to break and yet banged on about ****stani child abuse gangs.
I think Rishi Sunak was more careful than Braverman and didn't mention "****stani" when talking about grooming gangs.
See "GollyGate" has come back to bite her in the arse.
In what way?
See “GollyGate” has come back to bite her in the arse.
Is she in a bit of a jam?
She claimed she had told the police not to bother with such minor nonsense and to get on with catching real criminals. the police force deny this.
I know who I believe and its not Sue Ellen
welcome to the white Hart Lynching reenactment Night.
Another please shut with your racist shit letter
The Guardian has this quote from her.
She confirmed that her husband had been photographed in a T-shirt from the far-right group Britain First. She said: “I don’t think Chris is a supporter of Britain First, he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.”
I mean who hasnt stuck on a t-shirt from a far right group since it just happened to be handy?
She claimed she had told the police not to bother with such minor nonsense and to get on with catching real criminals. the police force deny this.
I know who I believe and its not Sue Ellen
I don't think she did. Apparently a "Home Office source" made that claim, not Braverman. The police are saying that the Home Secretary hasn't contacted them, which contradicts the Home Office source, not Braverman.
I don’t think she did. Apparently a “Home Office source” made that claim, not Braverman
Its being quoted as "source close to Braverman" which is a tad different to "home office source".
Normal depressing journalism allowing the politician to make a claim but have a cutout in place in case they get shown to be lying. As in this case.
Its being quoted as
I guess it differs according to what article you read. I have read two articles which claimed that a Home Office source had told Sky News.
he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.
I took that as meaning that all his other tee shirts were in the wash.
Luckily I never get to a situation where the only clean tee shirts I have left available are neo-nazi ones.
That requires some advance planning mind.
I like to dress up my collection of ‘gollies’ in far right t-shirts
Doesn’t everyone?
Who wouldn’t want to clearly signal
their agreement with totally rational, considered and measured opinions such as this?
https://twitter.com/goldingbf/status/1645804265984888835?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
What have I woken up to here!?
The Home Secretary's husband has a far right t-shirt? As in "I'm not racist, my husband is Jewish" Braverman has racist supporting clothing in the house?
No, the pub landlady's husband. But he only wore it because his robes (sorry, other T-shirts) were in the wash.
You know, the ones that Braverman was reportedly annoyed about the police getting involved in because they shouldn't waste time on minor stuff. According to 'a home office source' or 'a source close to SB' depending what version you read.
I guess all depends on whether golly lynching and bantz about it on twitter are just minor stuff to you.
It’s the pub landlord claiming that he’s not racist who’s wearing the Britain First T-Shirt. Because don’t we all have t-shirts bearing far right slogans?
Looks like the Tories have got their real brain boxes in the press banging on about the small boats again, coincidentally on the same day the Britain First leader is accusing the RNLI of being people traffickers
https://twitter.com/isabeloakeshott/status/1645737195167252480?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1645883874147201025?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
If you were being cynical you could suspect that a similar approach to Brexit was being taken here. Where useful, non-official sources are used as outriders to throw extreme views and scaremongering out there, shifting the argument to the right, then these views are then echoed, slightly toned down, by the government.
I expect Suella will be announcing wave machines in the channel, Royal Navy submarines torpedoing migrant boats or landmines on the beaches by this afternoon, saying it’s needed to ‘combat terrorism’
Has some new data come to light, which is prompting all these claims? No sources seem to be immediately evident...
I don't think there's any new 'information'. Its just more of this, ahead of the local elections...
Its literally all they've got left.
Suella has been surprisingly quiet for a few days now, but I'm sure that now her outriders have put this out there, she'll be happy to pop up with some 'solutions' to the completely fabricated issue any moment now
That pub landlady has now replace the golliwogs display.
No sources seem to be immediately evident…
Unnamed "sources" have told the Daily Mail that 19 suspected terrorists have entered Britain posing as small boat migrants, do you need more than that?
Has some new data come to light, which is prompting all these claims?
Yes. They have noticed the local elections getting a day closer plus there are various mutterings that some tory mps will push back against Bravermans "small boats" bill.
That pub landlady has now replace the golliwogs display.
and put a sign up saying (paraphrasing) 'we have a display of gollies* behind our bar, so unless that appeals to you prepare to be offended'
So that's all OK now.
* pub landlady has caved in and won't say wog any longer because some people find it offensive, even though she doesn't. That's nice of her
Looks like the Tories have got their real brain boxes in the press banging on about the small boats again, coincidentally on the same day the Britain First leader is accusing the RNLI of being people traffickers
Made a donation yesterday, purely a coincidence, just saw them at work over the weekend and it nudged me.
Tory peer accuses Suella Braverman of ‘racist rhetoric’ over grooming gangs
Lady Warsi criticises home secretary after comments singling out British-****stani men in child abuse cases
As a reaction to Lady Warsi's (entirely reasonable) comments about Suella Braverman, racist bawsack Tommy Robinson has had his minions put up a typically vile video* of him ranting about Lady Warsi and singing the praises of our home secretary and her recent words and proposed policies
So there you have it... Cruella has the ringing endorsement of a thug like Mr Yaxley-Lennon and his knuckle-dragging followers, which surely shows you exactly the company our present Home Secretary is keeping and who she's courting. Not so much a dog whistle to the far right as a foghorn
* which I won't link to, obviously
Baroness Warsi is fantastic when criticising the Tories.
Apparently very down to earth in real life - MCJnr had to mike her up for a speech at uni and he wasn't sure about the whole touching an older woman of South Asian origin. She apparently just held her jacket open and told him to get his hand in.
I don't understand why Warsi can stay in the tory party. She has called them out for Isamophobia and racism.
Shes been calling them out and saying islamophobia in the party needs to be investigated since 2018
Yup - which is why I cannot fathom why Warsi is still in the tory party
anyway - a bunch of tories are sticking the boot in to Braverman over being a racist
I don’t understand why Warsi can stay in the tory party.
Because her right-wing veiws fit in nicely with Tory Party idealogy. And she is happy to be compared with Thatcher. If she is defensive of Muslims it is because she is herself a Muslim.
I didn't read Warsi's Guardian article.
Nudged over here from another thread, maybe someone can help me out on this one.
I realise the tories are about division and distraction these days and individuals like SB are probably most concerned with clinging to their own power liferaft in the tory sea of ****. And I realise that there's racism and classism etc in all societies.
But the racist lines from someone of her influence who's of ethnic minority in the UK with immigrant parents is what I don't understand.
Let's say she and other tories carry on down this line. The thugs like Robinson and Britain First are empowered by it. If English nationalism plays out further, what happens to 'people like her' in the thug's eyes, or her parents? English nationalism isn't going to have an effective pass list for those of ethnic minority who helped them out. How does she feel about the people from similar backgrounds as hers of many ethnicities who will be (or are) the victims of these thugs?
Maybe I'm naive here but is she so callous and power-hungry to be able to ignore where the path they're on leads for short-term power and ego? That's the only answer I can come up with.
Maybe it's a case of telling themselves the right thing is being done and the wrong things that happen aren't connected, not their fault. I don't believe they don't see the links though.
(this may have been done a few pages earlier, sorry if it's repetition - tbh I despise what this lot stand for to the point where I don't read about them much. 'I see you..')
How does she feel about the people from similar backgrounds as hers
Her background is middle class, educated and definitely not one of those naughty Muslims, if you’re one of her kind fine otherwise tough titties.
More English than the English is not an uncommon trait in various strands across minorities.
I think she is actually a racist. It also is her positioning herself for a run at tory leader after the next election by pandering to the racism of the tory party membership
brown on brown racism is a thing. Ethnic minorities can be racist
Maybe I’m naive here but is she so callous and power-hungry to be able to ignore where the path they’re on leads for short-term power and ego
This, it isn't really about stopping the small boats it's about rallying a bunch of disillusioned people to a "cause" so they vote for someone who will solve "the problem" and so keep her in a job or the party in power to better feed her ego and account.
Watch her narrative switch to either full blown burn the boats to, who will help these poor people. When she is no longer in a party in power.
(Edit: I agree with tj she probably is racist.)
Ethnic minorities can be racist
Her background is middle class, educated and definitely not one of those naughty Muslims, if you’re one of her kind fine otherwise tough titties.
On both points, sure - but to the English nationalist thugs who hear the dog whistles none of that matters. Surely Braverman and Sunak will have experienced racism as will their families. It's the lack of empathy that I struggle with. Then again it seems a prerequisite of tory membership so perhaps that answers my own Q. They only empathise with class and seem to think absolutely everyone can work hard enough to be better.
Surely Braverman and Sunak will have experienced racism as will their families
At their level of privilege it will have been much less than if you are poorer.
Lack of empathy is required to be a tory.
It’s the lack of empathy that I struggle with.
Some people always need somebody else to look down on.
At their level of privilege it will have been much less than if you are poorer.
Maybe, though I've had conversations that told me class and education doesn't insulate anyone from this. Not that I know any barristers or millionaire hedge funders though. I don't know - I would be pleasantly suprised to know neither of them had experienced racism (though that would hinge on being able to believe what they say)
It also is her positioning herself for a run at tory leader after the next election by pandering to the racism of the tory party membership
Very much this. Its no secret that she's got a Liz Truss level of both ambition and ability, ie lots and none.
The Tory's know that the next election is as good as lost already. When they lose Sunak is toast. The general consensus is that the conclusion they'll draw is that they lost because they weren't right wing enough. Thus, as the far right darling of the ERG she'll be a shoe in to take over. Why she'd want too is anyones guess, but like Boris, then Liz, then Sunak, I doubt she's thought that far ahead. She just wants the top job, as like them she no doubt regards it as her entitlement
Oh I am sure they will have experienced racism - its just wealth insulates you.
No standing at bus stops or being on the bus and living in affluent areas, etc etc so there are less opportunities to be on the receiving end of it.
As for the racist element, as Lady Warsi pointed out; its not something exclusive to white people.
Its a very dangerous game she's playing by courting far right thugs. They would love to get rid of all the men of ****stani Muslim heritage, but you'd have to be hopelessly naive to think they'd stop there
She's obviously not taken on the old adage "first they came for the...."
“first they came for the….”
Exactly. I wasn't going to say it, godwin's etc, but yeah.
