Simon Calder (the travel journalist) was all over the telly all weekend essentially saying "The is directly because of Brexit, we voted for exactly this version of a very hard border, and when further checks are introduced in November it will only get worse"
I can't believe that the BBC (or other news channels) are even reporting the bull**** she's coming out with. This is top level gaslighting of the entire nation and surely only hard core Brexiteers are believing any of it?!
Looks like Tommy Robinson really is writing government policy nowadays
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1642811400224423937?s=20
Interesting that they've been in power for 13 years and shown no interest in it until now and are doing it when the continued underfunding of social work and the care system continues
The Guardian were reporting last week that kids in care are being essentially dumped hundreds of miles away from their communities which is obviously leaving them as obvious targets for grooming. And lets not forget that the private companies running these care homes are making an absolute fortune while providing a truly appalling level of 'care'
Possibly why they took ten years to nick it from Starmer?
Yup, as the article concluded:
However, the Department for Education said mandatory reporting was "not the answer" and there were no plans to change the law.
A spokesman for the department said: "Guidance is already crystal clear that professionals should refer immediately to social care when they are concerned about a child.
"Other countries have tried mandatory reporting and there is no evidence to show that it is a better system for protecting children. In fact there is evidence to show it can make children less safe."
So they knew that Starmer's suggestion was daft 10 years. However like Starmer they know the importance of feeding the press with rightwing talking points.
A quote from another barrister who knew Starmer well :
"Starmer’s enthusiasm while DPP for using mundane news events to feed the press with rightwing talking points is a possible concern for Labour members."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/16/keir-starmer-past-scrutiny
Political correctness isn't the problem, austerity led cuts by councils is. Teachers are already having to take the place of social workers... and on lower real term salaries and longer hours. We need more professionals in this area, that schools can call on.
What Kimbers said 100%, happens on repeat every time with the tories. A manifesto from them is such a waste of paper.
I can't see why the latest proposals would be quietly dropped.
A new taskforce of specialist officers sounds as if it might cost significant money so I could see that being quietly dropped.
But mandatory reporting, tougher sentences, and ethnicity data of suspects (not those convicted apparently) sounds doable.
Okay locking people up for longer costs money but that is one area that Tories always seem happy to spend money on.
Edit: I can easily see the current government implementing much of those policies and then come the general election proudly declaring how they are the ones that are tough on paedophiles.
Unlike presumably Labour.
The Guardian were reporting last week that kids in care are being essentially dumped hundreds of miles away from their communities which is obviously leaving them as obvious targets for grooming. And lets not forget that the private companies running these care homes are making an absolute fortune while providing a truly appalling level of ‘care’
MrsMC spent election night 2019 preparing a court report so a kid could be taken into care in a placement miles from their home area at a cost of several hundred pounds a week, which certainly wasn't being paid to the support staff. Had the local Surestart not been closed due to cuts, it would probably never reached that point.
Okay locking people up for longer costs money but that is one area that Tories always seem happy to spend money on.
Except they don't provide extra funds even for that, don't let them fool you
I'm not denying that the prison service is underfunded, but there is always enough money to keep people locked up. It's been a while since prisoners have been released because the government run out of money.
So they have a barge!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65172368
https://www.bibbymarine.com/bibby-stockholm/
Well the information is a little confusing, it can hold 500 "guests" but it's just been refitted to single berth for 220.
Although I know some accommodation modules can have extra bunks installed very easily.
The figures of £30,000 per day including port dues were mention on the radio. So about £130 per room, per night. Hardly a cost saving on a basic hotel.
It also currently in Italy, so at least 2 weeks away and more expense.
What a load of bollocks.
Its the same as the Rwanda nonsense though. The way its been sold, I'm sure that in the mind of the average racist half-wit they see many packed flights a day, laden with asylum seekers who've been marched straight from the coast to the airport and packed off to Africa, never to be seen again.
In reality it'll hold a couple of hundred people, tops, who will all mount legal challenges which will then take years and cost a fortune
Its not a realistic way to try and deal with the issue in any way, shape or form, but just a way of demonstrating you're being particularly nasty to the people you've been busy demonising.
If reporting regarding the barge is accurate, does this mean the Bibby family are complicit with the policy?
If they had any social conscience, they should -and would - say...go find another barge.
so at least 2 weeks away
Grand unveiling just before the local election vote?
And closed by year end?
does this mean the Bibby family are complicit with the policy?
At first I didn't think so, as they sold off Bibby Offshore a few years back, however this barge is operated by Bibby Marine, still in the Bibby Group.
Although you could argue that if this is inhuman for refugees, then why is it OK for offshore workers?
If reporting regarding the barge is accurate, does this mean the Bibby family are complicit with the policy?
If they had any social conscience, they should -and would – say…go find another barge.
There are a lot of people making a lot of money out of housing asylum seekers. In true Tory fashion I'm sure that, for all their very public protestations, they're busy funnelling that infamous £6 million a day costs into the pockets of their mates
Channel 4 news last night had a report on a local independent hotel who had signed an exclusive contract with the Home Office to house asylum seekers, cancelling weddings and events etc that had been pre-booked. If you're cancelling wedding bookings, surely a very lucrative business, then I doubt you'll be doing it out of a burning desire to host refugees. I'm sure that as with PPE contracts, theres an awful lot of profiteering going on
> https://www.bibbymarine.com/bibby-stockholm/ < Looking at the video in that link I fail to see the difference between that accommodation and a normal land based hotel. I just looks like a suspiciously expensive way to accommodate very few people. I can't see how it will benefit Suella Braverman's public approval ratings, or am I missing something obvious?
I can’t see how it will benefit Suella Braverman’s public approval ratings, or am I missing something obvious?
It keeps those pesky asylum seekers away from the natives. The channel 4 news piece I mentioned, on last night, featured a selection of nimby's who had started protesting outside the hotel, having already concluded (with the aid of Cruella's latest contribution to the debate, no doubt) that the asylum seekers housed their all listed their favourite activities as raping 13 year old white girls
Here you go Ernesto...
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1643183392236658688?s=20
I can’t see how it will benefit Suella Braverman’s public approval ratings, or am I missing something obvious?
Generally the sort of place you can dock that isnt the sort of place where lots of tory supporters live.
I think is about the only selling point.
Although given its Cruella I wouldnt rule out the plan is to get it loaded up and then sail it to Rwanda in the middle of the night (she hasnt spotted its landlocked).
A Leicester village is divided over a hotel housing asylum seekers.
Currently there over 35,000 people in hotels and hostels waiting for their asylum applications to be processed, I don't see how housing about 500 of them in a floating hotel will change things much.
Edit: I have just checked and the latest figure I can find is 45,500. So if they use the Biddy Stockholm they will only have 40,000 to worry about.
I can't help thinking that processing asylum applications quicker might be a more worthwhile solution.
I don’t see how housing about 500 of them in a floating hotel will change things much.
It won't make the slightest bit of difference whatsoever, and sending 200 of them to Rwanda will have even less effect. All at absolutely enormous cost, obviously.
But this isn't about finding solutions. Never has been. This is all about sending the message to racists that the government is on their side, seeing as they're not allowed to do what they'd really like to do which is to drive them all back into the sea
I can’t help thinking that processing asylum applications quicker might be a more worthwhile solution.
Don't be coming around here with your logical thinking and actual solutions! Theres no place for any of that crazy-talk in modern Britain!
Looking at the video in that link I fail to see the difference between that accommodation and a normal land based hotel.
In some respects it will be better, worse in others.
The risk assessment will be interesting, the people normally living on those barges will have had safety training. The refugees probably not, I would guess that they will need evacuation drills and potentially multiple access and egress points.
I just looks like a suspiciously expensive way to accommodate very few people.
Of course it is. Anything marine based costs far more than dry land, for obvious reasons. On top of the domestic staff for catering laundry etc. they will still some technical to operate other equipment, even if connected to shore supplies for electricity etc.
It's just a ****ing stupid idea, that makes no sense on some many levels. Unless you read the Mail or Express.
According to the Daily Mail a YouGov poll shows that the overwhelming majority of voters are completely unconvinced that the government's plans will do anything to resolve the problem.
Not only that but the number of people who are unconvinced has been growing since the 'let's get tough' proposals were first announced.
"On 8 March, the day after the PM announced legislation to toughen up Britain's asylum system, 26 per cent of voters thought it was likely Mr Sunak would be able to deliver, while 59 per cent thought it was unlikely.
But in a poll conducted between 29 and 30 March, just 21 per cent of people thought the PM would be able to deliver on his promise, with 63 per cent saying he was unlikely to be able to do so."
Of the five promises made by Rishi Sunak the "Stop The Boats" is the least attainable, voters know that, the other four are possibly doable.
He needs to stop talking about something that when the general election comes he will be judged as having failed. He needs to concentrate on the economy, I reckon his Australian advisor is probably telling him that.
I’m sure that as with PPE contracts, theres an awful lot of profiteering going on
Especially for the middlemen.
For some of the hotels I suspect a major advantage is the staffing needs or lack thereof.
Due to a certain event which cant be mentioned I think some hotel owners would be looking at the difficulty of making sure they have staff for all those weddings in 6 months and deciding this is a better option.
I should think they can reduce the standard of food offering, migrants being expected to accept rather less than a paying guest. Continuous occupancy must mean fewer bedlinen changes. If demand falls because of the CoL crisis, migrants become good business.
migrants become good business.
Does anyone know how these hotel deals work?
Do they simply rent the building and then pay Serco or similar to operate them?
Or does the original hotel management operate the hotel?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the 1st one and Serco are making an absolute killing.
ethnicity data of suspects
not sure if otherwise mentioned but Jess Phillips was interviewed on the news agents and reported that it's been found that, wait for it, ethnicity of offenders broadly reflects society as a whole.
Going back to ethnicity of grooming gangs....
BBC News - Twenty-one convicted in West Midlands child sex abuse inquiry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785
**** sake that makes grim reading.
Going back to ethnicity of grooming gangs….
Shhh, that undermines the narrative.
Shhh, that undermines the narrative.
Damn, you've seen through my cunning plan
**** sake that makes grim reading.
Doesn't it just. What makes it even more depressing is that the whole issue is being cynically used as a piece of political grandstanding by these morally bankrupt shysters
I have just discovered that the chief crown prosecutor who prosecuted the Rochdale grooming gangs, Nazir Afzal, is of ****stani parents and is a practicing Muslim.
The racists kept that quiet.
It's almost as if you can get both good and bad Muslim/British ****stanis, a bit like white Brits I guess. Who would have thought it?
I'm struggling to get my head round the 4D chess that's going on here.
It's a horrific case from what I heard on the radio on the way home and from the little I've read since - not that I'm going out of my way to read stuff. And of course 'easy' points could be scored by asking why the ethnicity of the convicted is not front and centre in the reporting of it, given this week's pronouncements that we mustn't shy away from confronting it.
That's the bit I don't get. Although the reporting has been kept secret because of the type and duration of the trials going on, I can't believe that the PM, Home Sec, etc., and relevant advisors are not fully aware of what is going on and that it's a white gang that did it. And consequently the obvious challenge that seems to be coming.
Is it some sort of trap they expect their critics to fall into that I can't see. Are they taking aim at '****stani grooming gangs' in spite of knowing this in some sort of attempt to appeal to their far right support? I just don't quite get why they've been all over ethnicity of grooming gangs with this about to break?
^^ The "market" they are aiming for simply sees the facts they want to see. No 4D chess required.
"I can’t believe that the PM, Home Sec, etc., and relevant advisors are not fully aware of what is going on"
I can... Just like with the shooting of refugees in Rwanda that Cruella was pulled up on the other day on sky News, this government hasn't got a scooby doo.
They don't listen to advisors and Civil Servants, why would they when they've got Tommy Robinson and Paul Dacre on speed dial?
I also wonder if said advisors and Civil servants no longer bother to inform their masters of pesky little things like the facts, or the truth. Instead they just take the insults that are thrown in their direction and wait for their bosses to fall flat on their face.
If your bosses were constantly castigating you in front of the public, wouldn't you keep mum if you knew there was a rotting banana skin waiting for your Cabinet Secretary a couple of steps down the road?
ethnicity of the convicted
It isn't even that, it is the ethnicity of "suspects", in other words innocent people in the eyes of the law, a point which as a lawyer Braverman understands very well.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1642813082492624897
It might seem a small point but the use of the term "suspect" rather than "those convicted" will definitely have been deliberate so it makes me wonder why, ie, what was the thinking?
With regards to the latest grooming/ paedophile gang conviction, just an observation - there were a surprising amount of women involved, I suspect that the possibility of them having been abused as children is very high, as sadly is also the possibility of some of the men involved. As apparently it is often the case. It really does **** up people's heads, the lasting damage is immense.
Those responsible should be relentlessly pursued and the victims provided with a appropriate and long-term support. Which of course costs money.
It isn’t even that, it is the ethnicity of “suspects”, in other words innocent people in the eyes of the law, a point which as a lawyer Braverman understands very well.
The words "as a lawyer" are doing a lot of lifting there!
Why?
I think the extent of her experience in the legal profession never made it past the office photocopier in a lawyers office.
She does have a Grant Shapps-esque capacity for building her part up though
Why
Binners beat me to it.
Yeah I knew about the alleged exaggeration of her contributions to a text book but she did qualify as a barrister. She would definitely be aware of the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
