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Will all the Jocks on STW have to go through some sort of vetting programme if independence come to fruition?
Will there be a flag of national identity beside your name to indicate whether your opinion counts in various discussions?
Will there need to be a special STW(scotland)?
Or will we continue to be one big happy moutain biking family?
/sigh
I thought this was going to be about ST mag going bust... 😐
They will use a special scottish MTB wheel standard..
Will all the Jocks on STW have to go through some sort of vetting programme if independence come to fruition?
Can I assume the use of the term Jock means you are not Scottish?
When can Wales become independant?
yep that special wheel standard will have a new hope freehub pawl that just moans all the time instead of a nice warm clicking sound warning walkers you are coming 🙂
Whenever they want to, as long as they don't expect continuing 'transitional payments' from we english to ease them into independance. Oh, and they can shoulder their fair share of the UK deficit as well...
Your logonid is well chosen.
Nope, sorry Don, Jock. Well, half Jock, half Mick but hey.
Was trying to raise a smile as it's cold up here but chuff it the commentators are too busy being bored by old topics but not opening new ones.
Sigh indeed.
Your logonid is well chosen.
In an Elvis style "whythankyouverymuch..."
dull
I'm pretty sure that in the resurrection cycle of STW topics, this one isn't due for another 4 days 🙂
Please, Please, nobody tell the scots that their .co.uk websites will stop working.
www.scotchwheelstandard.jok
.co.jock ?
As the UK of GB&NI will no longer exist, you'd better start registering those .rUK websites....enfht - Member
Please, Please, nobody tell the scots that their .co.uk websites will stop working.
.jo.ck ?
Incidentally, can we still say 'jock', or is it racialist?
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can we still say 'jock', or is it racialist
Does the same apply for sassenach?
I think the current preference is for .sco
I don't know if there has been a similar move to get .eng allocated for England, but I know that Wales lost out on .cym (Cayman Isles got it IIRC)
My Mother in Law would call me a Sassenach. It's a generic term for "southerner" and refers to "Saxons".
As for the use of "Jock", I believe that current legislation is along the lines of "[i]if someone thinks it's offensive, then it is[/i]".
OK then I find Sassenac offensive. Expect a call from the police druidh..you're going daaaaaaarn
I'll tell my MiL, but it takes a while for the jungle drums to reach Lewis (and no one passes the message along on the Sabbath)
I've used wee ghillie jocko's before and been castigated here. When I read it in the 80's I thought it was the funniest thing ever and still do today. Do you grow out of rascism?
toys19
Judging by what is "acceptable" in the playground but not in adult life you grow into most 'isms.
Will all sitting land owners have to re-fight for the land? Bagsie the bout for barmoral.
.co.ck
When can Wales become independant?
Must. Resist. Jokes. Of. The. Ovine. Nature.
Incidentally, can we still say 'jock', or is it racialist?
As long as you don't mind a smack in the mouth
shouldn't the title be 'the end is noo'?
"ra end is noo!"
Druidh - with regards to the term Sassenach, i always understood it to be a term used by those who came to be known as highlanders to denote the people of what is now Southern Scotland as they were Saxon invaders/settlers. As Scotland was not a Nation at that point (And England was in it's birth pangs) so it was a term for one ethnic grouping to denote another - foriegn - ethnic group.
Am i right as i understand this?
P.S. Does the term have any connection to the Welsh 'Saisnegg' (Spelling?) as they both appear to mean 'Saxon'?
Nigh does no equal noo.
I know that ^
Anyway, what will happen to all the squirrels in the world when there is independence?
We'll have the reds, you can have the greys.
Sorry, thriving red population in the lakes, so nope! 😛
Re-patriate the reds!!
Annexation of the Lake District. Just wait for the McBlitzkreig
Well, the Lakes were originally part of the Kingdom of Strathclotha/Strathclyde i believe, but seeing as they are a huge draw for rich yanks then bugger off and concern yourself with getting some poxy no-mark border town (and it's football club) back into Scotland... 😛
EDIT: McBlitzkrieg with what aircraft exactly? is there an industry in Scotland building those giant inflatable pigs that Pink Floyd used? 😆
McBlitzkrieg? Is that a result of too many Deep Fried Mars Bars?
Must. Resist. Jokes. Of. The. Ovine. Nature.
I say go for it, the challenge has to be to produce something both original and witty.
not at all.
the enjoyment comes from witnessing the obvious annoyance and indignation administered not from the irrelevant wit of the joke.
Will the National Anthem for the New Scotland be......
"Caledonia Uber Alles"
IGMC
Think giant, helium-filled haggismuddydwarf - MemberEDIT: McBlitzkrieg with what aircraft exactly? is there an industry in Scotland building those giant inflatable pigs that Pink Floyd used?
Think giant, helium-filled haggis
So we're back to Sean Connery again are we... 😆
the enjoyment comes from witnessing the obvious annoyance and indignation
Annoyed and indignant from the repetition of tired and boring statements bandied about as humour? I don't think so. I guess it's one of those strange situations, turn a blind eye and the understanding is it's OK to make these jokes, say something and you're automatically accused of being annoyed or indignant. There's a word for this, I just can't think of it at the moment...
How do you think it feels living in Lancashire? We have people with an alleged overfondness for sheep on three sides of us and on the fourth side we have the bloody Liverpudlians! 😆
As for the use of "Jock", I believe that current legislation is along the lines of "if someone thinks it's offensive, then it is".
i.e. I'll take exception to the term just to cause an argument.
The way Sassenach us described above, it sounds like a compliment to me.
The French call us Les Rosbifs, we call them Frogs or cheese eating surrender monkeys
The Australians call us whinging Pommes, and we call them what we like being as we invented them. (I won't tell you what they call the ****stanis. I'd get a ban for repeating the TV cricket scores I heard in Sydney)
But the point is that everyone calls everyone else something but, it's just a word. A term. Jocks. Micks. Taffys. Pommes.
But you've got to be a real arsehole to object to any of them.
PeterPoddy - Member
But the point is that everyone calls everyone else something but, it's just a word. A term. Jocks. Micks. Taffys. Pommes, [b]****s, ****s, Chinkies[/b].But you've got to be a real arsehole to object to any of them.
FTFY
How do you think it feels living in Lancashire?
I think that's enough, don't you?
But the point is that everyone calls everyone else something but, it's just a word. A term. Jocks. Micks. Taffys. Pommes.
Oh dear. The point is it's mostly that the english call everybody something and it's not often used to compliment or highlight the positive characteristics.
Taff or Gog for the Welsh.
Mick or Paddy for the Irish.
Jock for the Scots.
For the english? What is the english term of endearment for the english?
Sassenach apparently. 🙂
methinks you lot worry too much. I've got an 80's night coming up at work and I have no idea what to wear.
A true story:
I worked for many years with this Scottish bloke. He was/maybe still is a lorry driver and for the last 10+ years he's been collecting material out of quarries I've worked in. You couldn't meet a more Scottish person. Thick Glasgow accent, virtually unintelligible when excited.
The first time I met him, I had to ask him what his name was to print on the ticket:
"THEY CALL ME JOCK!" he bellowed at me, or so it seemed at the time.
And apparently, they did. Everyone does. And to this day, I don't know his real name, everyone calls him Jock.
And that's it. It's the way words are used, not the actual words you speak that matter. I could insult anyone without using any explteives or so called racial slurs , a lot worse than if I did.
I love the Jocks. Lovely people, great country. 🙂
I know it's a bit corny now, but the film Local Hero has a lovely little pastiche, whereby the only American in the (supposedly) West Highland village is known as "Mac". 🙂
Annoyed and indignant from the repetition of tired and boring statements bandied about as humour? I don't think so. I guess it's one of those strange situations, turn a blind eye and the understanding is it's OK to make these jokes, say something and you're automatically accused of being annoyed or indignant. There's a word for this, I just can't think of it at the moment.
see, there's that indignation right there.
thanks for the laughs.
What is the english term of endearment for the english?
Oooh, let me see...
Woollyback
Sand Dancer
Monkey Hanger
Scouse b**d
cockney w*r
etc etc.
Pretty much every English region/town has a derogatory term for its neighbours. We in Rochdale call Heywood 'Monkeytown'.
I drink with "Geordie".
Nobody knows his name. Hell, nobody understands what he's saying atfer 9pm. But he's called Geordie by everyone.
And his wife is called Mrs Geordie.
Anyway, I always though the blue-skinned northerners were known as Scotch, not Jocks....
Oh i forgot, Smog Monster is another one.
To say its the English who call the rest names is a bit rich though.
I'd like to see North Wales, Scotland and Northern England declare independance.
We'll have Derbyshire, but Cheshire can bugger off down south where it's culturally more at home.
MUDs: your not helping. All you are highlighting is the English just have to insult everybody, even themselves.
My point metalheart is that yes, we do insult each other, but i rather suspect DS thinks it is something only we do. The Welsh and the Scots etc also love to insult themselves/their neighbours. Why, i don't know, maybe its apart of being British, maybe its just simple parochialism.
To say its an English thing is wide of the mark. Especially when you understand the venom with which 'Sais' or 'Sassenach' can be hurled.
My point metalheart is that yes, we do insult each other, but i rather suspect DS thinks it is something only we do.
I understand the tribal mentality from living in a village.
You still haven't given me an answer to the term used to describe all the english in a derogatory way.
Sais is just english, how it is used is wholly dependant on context. I'm struggling to find any positive context of using frog, spic or wop. Paddy or Mick were not necessarily positive stereotypes were they. It's all a bit of fun and they do it to us, simply doesn't wash.
The Spainsh have general terms as a lot of countries do, england is the only country I know of that has such a comprehensive list and tries to deny that it is anything but negative.
Yes, we also insult each other.
Normally we just call each other c****.
There's no need to make it personal... 😉
As you say DS, it's context. Wogs and Gogs doesn't sound very complimentary to my ear.
Take Hartlepool for example - monkey hangers. Some take a strange pride in it, even electing Hangus the Monkey to the Mayors Office, others will rip your head off if they hear it.
In Heywood 'Monkeytown' is a weird badge of pride yet if a Rochdalian says it..
Yes its insulting, but don't tell me only the English do it - all Britons do it.
My mate's wife's maiden name was Delainey, and her dad was Irish, and she's known as either Ann or Paddy, and collectively they're known as Paul'n'Paddy. It's a term of endearment in her case.
Yes its insulting, but don't tell me only the English do it - all Britons do it.
I completely agree and I don't think anyone has said that only the english do it, the Spanish have words like guiri, cangrejo or gambas to describe, in the case of the second two, the lighter skinned foreigner after a few hours lapping up the sun. I have, however, said that the english have quite a comprehensive list which is generally used negatively.
Was that a ninja edit Steve?
The point is it's mostly that the english call everybody something
You were saying?
That's whay i'm objecting to.
The point is it's mostly that the english call everybody something
That's whay i'm objecting to.
Which quite clearly doesn't say [i]only[/i], or does it? I must confess to having problems with the english language at times. 😳
Nope, but it does imply the English are mainly at fault which we all know is not the case.
Why we Brits do this i don't know, its abit like calling all your mates rude names - something i've found Americans are gobstruck by.
Nope, but it does imply the English are mainly at fault which we all know is not the case.
That I would actually disagree with, not only do the english have a more comprehensive list, but they are more willing to bandy these names about.
Why we Brits do this i don't know, its abit like calling all your mates rude names - something i've found Americans are gobstruck by.
I saw what you did there. Do you really call your mates rude names? I might call a mate an arse when he's being and arse, that sounds fair, no?
I don't know about where you come from but growing up here it's quite common to have insulting nicknames for each other, one mate is 'fatboy' 'cos he played prop and all forwards are 'fatboys'. Another is Ferengi 'cos he has big ears and a pronounced brow ridge. Yet another was nicknamed Conehead the Barbarian for his headshape, mine was embryo or fetus - cos i'm small and i have slightly deformed feet. Actually, fetus was rather clever if i do have to say so!
Of course, we all grew out of it but they were there and understood as pisstaking, something we all did with each other.
Who are the moderators on here, as they seem to have a bit of a racist attitude.
Why's that then, stevewhyte?
Seems acceptable to call just about every other race a name accept the English
A shed load of hypocracy on here.
Yeah, can't they delete my response to your deleted comment too as it doesn't make sense now!
Did you edit it before it went?
lols or just keep mine in as its no more offensive that 1000's of posts on here.
😆
Still don't get why the mods are 'racist' when it was you who made the offensive insulting remarks...
Everyone has been making offensive insulting remarks, yet when they are aimed at the English it becomes a big deal. Get the picture now.