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the enjoyment comes from witnessing the obvious annoyance and indignation
Annoyed and indignant from the repetition of tired and boring statements bandied about as humour? I don't think so. I guess it's one of those strange situations, turn a blind eye and the understanding is it's OK to make these jokes, say something and you're automatically accused of being annoyed or indignant. There's a word for this, I just can't think of it at the moment...
How do you think it feels living in Lancashire? We have people with an alleged overfondness for sheep on three sides of us and on the fourth side we have the bloody Liverpudlians! 😆
As for the use of "Jock", I believe that current legislation is along the lines of "if someone thinks it's offensive, then it is".
i.e. I'll take exception to the term just to cause an argument.
The way Sassenach us described above, it sounds like a compliment to me.
The French call us Les Rosbifs, we call them Frogs or cheese eating surrender monkeys
The Australians call us whinging Pommes, and we call them what we like being as we invented them. (I won't tell you what they call the ****stanis. I'd get a ban for repeating the TV cricket scores I heard in Sydney)
But the point is that everyone calls everyone else something but, it's just a word. A term. Jocks. Micks. Taffys. Pommes.
But you've got to be a real arsehole to object to any of them.
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But the point is that everyone calls everyone else something but, it's just a word. A term. Jocks. Micks. Taffys. Pommes, [b]****s, ****s, Chinkies[/b].But you've got to be a real arsehole to object to any of them.
FTFY
How do you think it feels living in Lancashire?
I think that's enough, don't you?
But the point is that everyone calls everyone else something but, it's just a word. A term. Jocks. Micks. Taffys. Pommes.
Oh dear. The point is it's mostly that the english call everybody something and it's not often used to compliment or highlight the positive characteristics.
Taff or Gog for the Welsh.
Mick or Paddy for the Irish.
Jock for the Scots.
For the english? What is the english term of endearment for the english?
Sassenach apparently. 🙂
methinks you lot worry too much. I've got an 80's night coming up at work and I have no idea what to wear.
A true story:
I worked for many years with this Scottish bloke. He was/maybe still is a lorry driver and for the last 10+ years he's been collecting material out of quarries I've worked in. You couldn't meet a more Scottish person. Thick Glasgow accent, virtually unintelligible when excited.
The first time I met him, I had to ask him what his name was to print on the ticket:
"THEY CALL ME JOCK!" he bellowed at me, or so it seemed at the time.
And apparently, they did. Everyone does. And to this day, I don't know his real name, everyone calls him Jock.
And that's it. It's the way words are used, not the actual words you speak that matter. I could insult anyone without using any explteives or so called racial slurs , a lot worse than if I did.
I love the Jocks. Lovely people, great country. 🙂
I know it's a bit corny now, but the film Local Hero has a lovely little pastiche, whereby the only American in the (supposedly) West Highland village is known as "Mac". 🙂
Annoyed and indignant from the repetition of tired and boring statements bandied about as humour? I don't think so. I guess it's one of those strange situations, turn a blind eye and the understanding is it's OK to make these jokes, say something and you're automatically accused of being annoyed or indignant. There's a word for this, I just can't think of it at the moment.
see, there's that indignation right there.
thanks for the laughs.
What is the english term of endearment for the english?
Oooh, let me see...
Woollyback
Sand Dancer
Monkey Hanger
Scouse b**d
cockney w*r
etc etc.
Pretty much every English region/town has a derogatory term for its neighbours. We in Rochdale call Heywood 'Monkeytown'.
I drink with "Geordie".
Nobody knows his name. Hell, nobody understands what he's saying atfer 9pm. But he's called Geordie by everyone.
And his wife is called Mrs Geordie.
Anyway, I always though the blue-skinned northerners were known as Scotch, not Jocks....
Oh i forgot, Smog Monster is another one.
To say its the English who call the rest names is a bit rich though.
I'd like to see North Wales, Scotland and Northern England declare independance.
We'll have Derbyshire, but Cheshire can bugger off down south where it's culturally more at home.
MUDs: your not helping. All you are highlighting is the English just have to insult everybody, even themselves.
My point metalheart is that yes, we do insult each other, but i rather suspect DS thinks it is something only we do. The Welsh and the Scots etc also love to insult themselves/their neighbours. Why, i don't know, maybe its apart of being British, maybe its just simple parochialism.
To say its an English thing is wide of the mark. Especially when you understand the venom with which 'Sais' or 'Sassenach' can be hurled.
My point metalheart is that yes, we do insult each other, but i rather suspect DS thinks it is something only we do.
I understand the tribal mentality from living in a village.
You still haven't given me an answer to the term used to describe all the english in a derogatory way.
Sais is just english, how it is used is wholly dependant on context. I'm struggling to find any positive context of using frog, spic or wop. Paddy or Mick were not necessarily positive stereotypes were they. It's all a bit of fun and they do it to us, simply doesn't wash.
The Spainsh have general terms as a lot of countries do, england is the only country I know of that has such a comprehensive list and tries to deny that it is anything but negative.
Yes, we also insult each other.
Normally we just call each other c****.
There's no need to make it personal... 😉
As you say DS, it's context. Wogs and Gogs doesn't sound very complimentary to my ear.
Take Hartlepool for example - monkey hangers. Some take a strange pride in it, even electing Hangus the Monkey to the Mayors Office, others will rip your head off if they hear it.
In Heywood 'Monkeytown' is a weird badge of pride yet if a Rochdalian says it..
Yes its insulting, but don't tell me only the English do it - all Britons do it.
My mate's wife's maiden name was Delainey, and her dad was Irish, and she's known as either Ann or Paddy, and collectively they're known as Paul'n'Paddy. It's a term of endearment in her case.
Yes its insulting, but don't tell me only the English do it - all Britons do it.
I completely agree and I don't think anyone has said that only the english do it, the Spanish have words like guiri, cangrejo or gambas to describe, in the case of the second two, the lighter skinned foreigner after a few hours lapping up the sun. I have, however, said that the english have quite a comprehensive list which is generally used negatively.
Was that a ninja edit Steve?
The point is it's mostly that the english call everybody something
You were saying?
That's whay i'm objecting to.
The point is it's mostly that the english call everybody something
That's whay i'm objecting to.
Which quite clearly doesn't say [i]only[/i], or does it? I must confess to having problems with the english language at times. 😳
Nope, but it does imply the English are mainly at fault which we all know is not the case.
Why we Brits do this i don't know, its abit like calling all your mates rude names - something i've found Americans are gobstruck by.
Nope, but it does imply the English are mainly at fault which we all know is not the case.
That I would actually disagree with, not only do the english have a more comprehensive list, but they are more willing to bandy these names about.
Why we Brits do this i don't know, its abit like calling all your mates rude names - something i've found Americans are gobstruck by.
I saw what you did there. Do you really call your mates rude names? I might call a mate an arse when he's being and arse, that sounds fair, no?
I don't know about where you come from but growing up here it's quite common to have insulting nicknames for each other, one mate is 'fatboy' 'cos he played prop and all forwards are 'fatboys'. Another is Ferengi 'cos he has big ears and a pronounced brow ridge. Yet another was nicknamed Conehead the Barbarian for his headshape, mine was embryo or fetus - cos i'm small and i have slightly deformed feet. Actually, fetus was rather clever if i do have to say so!
Of course, we all grew out of it but they were there and understood as pisstaking, something we all did with each other.
Who are the moderators on here, as they seem to have a bit of a racist attitude.
Why's that then, stevewhyte?
Seems acceptable to call just about every other race a name accept the English
A shed load of hypocracy on here.
Yeah, can't they delete my response to your deleted comment too as it doesn't make sense now!
Did you edit it before it went?
lols or just keep mine in as its no more offensive that 1000's of posts on here.
😆
Still don't get why the mods are 'racist' when it was you who made the offensive insulting remarks...
Everyone has been making offensive insulting remarks, yet when they are aimed at the English it becomes a big deal. Get the picture now.
And what nationality do you think the mods are? 🙄stevewhyte - Member
Everyone has been making offensive insulting remarks, yet when they are aimed at the English it becomes a big deal.
I'm English born (but not of English descent) and to be frank, the views expressed by a number of my compatriots are an embarrassment.
As for Scottish independence, I'd be very saddened if it actually happened but thirty years of Thatcherism well and truly did for a lot of communities north of the Watford Gap. You can hardly blame some Scots for wanting out of a union that's not exactly been fair to them.
And racism on STW towards the English? Get real...
And racism on STW towards the English? Get real...
you obviously didn't see the rugby world cup thread
Taff or Gog for the Welsh.
Mick or Paddy for the Irish.
Jock for the Scots.
Most North Walians I know refer to the valley-dwellers as Taffs, and Gog is the name most welsh-speakers use to describe North Walians, seeing as it's a shortened form of the Welsh for 'North' - 'Gogledd'
I know many Irish who refer to themselves as 'Micks' Or 'Paddies'.
So why the upset about Jock?
In fact, the two Americans I know best happily refer to themselves as Seppos, which must be the most offensive of them all.
[b]And racism on STW towards the English? Get real...[/b]
you obviously didn't see the rugby world cup thread
THIS. All English are apparently arrogant, stuck up, sore losers, pompous, cheats and I'm sure many more things. Dare suggest that [i]the[/i] red card was justified, despite it's receiver saying so, and you'll get to see just how sore losers a small proportion of the Welsh population are, usually with a raft of petty insults in return
Whilst some words - the nasty words to deride people from African descent or from ****stan etc - are obviously meant to be demeaning and really nasty, i do think there is a fair bit of difference between 'Jock' and 'Taff' (words that people use as names for themselves in some cases) and the W word that was used for the English further up the thread.
You'll find some Welsh calling themselves Taff, and some Scots calling themselves Jock - i don't think you'll find any English calling themselves w****r do you?
However, apart from that particular word i didn't see any racism against the English on this thread.
I know many Irish who refer to themselves as 'Micks' Or 'Paddies'.So why the upset about Jock?
Being of mixed Irish & Scottish descent, you'd have a broken nose if you referred to me as any of those terms to my face.
In my opinion, they're derogatory terms used by the English to describe the Irish & Scots.
At work, where it's predominantly Scots, *everyone* is a c**t.
As in:
"Which c**t stole my Stilsons?"
"Did yous c**ts used to be dairy farmers, cos you certainly know how to milk a job!"
"Any of yous c**ts want a cup of tea?"
"**** you, you c**t!"
It's all down to interpretation on behalf of the speaker and the listener. If anyone thinks OP was being derogatory in the use of the word "Jocks", I suggest you step away from the internet because it can get quite nasty. You c**ts. 😀
Being of mixed Irish & Scottish descent, you'd have a broken nose if you referred to me as any of those terms to my face.
So, perhaps they're only terms for Irish who aren't keyboard warriors and have some grasp of proportion? Thankfully, these are the only sort of Irish I know.
MUDs, there is reason why you haven't seen any racism towards the English on this thread as it's pretty much impossible. English is ethnicity. Which is why the Elf can claim to be English whilst not being, well, white.
The reason Steve was calling the English whatever he called them was because he probably took offence at being called a Jock. You might not see it as an insult but as I've said above its not unusual for scots to call each other c* in what could almost be called a term of endearment. However if I called YOU that you might take the huff. How would you like it if then rubbished your 'hurt' by dismissing it as well I call everyone a * and you are just being stupid for taking offence, I mean it's not like I mean anything by it...
Ox: yes quite, that's what I mean!
To be fair the OP ws obviously trolling. I'd say the word choice was deliberate.
Anybody taking offence would clearly be taking the bait.