[Closed] STW Friday Six-Pack Club

You're doing it wrong.

Autumn/Winter > Get Fat and grow a Xmas beard.

Spring/Summer > Get Fit and shave yerself smooth 😉

That's not a very helpful comment, if you can't be positive, don't bother posting, thanks.

I admire the idea but Christmas is closer than you think and there's a lot of hard work in building a six pack.

If you read my post, you'll see that I'm quite prepared to do the hard graft, what I'm hoping for is some support from like-minded STWers. So far all I've had is two negative comments 😉

I did type out a reply - but having reread your post I reckon this is a wind up. If you are serious, forget the beer/cake/chocolate, don't pretend that sausages and lamb chops are lean protein, and consider some proper core and stomach exercises.

But I think you know that 😉

Can I say in a completely non biblical way, I love the author and I wish you the best of luck in the challenge you have set yourself :-).

Mine's not a negative comment, I'd like to do the same. My concern would be setting an unrealistic goal (which I believe it would be for me). Easter is a less significant date but a more do-able time frame I think.

What sort of 'proper core and stomach exercises' would you suggest. I'm just focussed on my abs, I don''t really care about the rest of my body.

Shed fat - that is all you need to do.

I think the measures you're taking are far too drastic! You risk burn out by Guy Fawkes night!

BWD -
I'm in. I suspect that a six-pack may be ambitious, but getting rid of some of this gut will be good thing!

I sometimes give up biscuits, sweets, cakes and chocolate for lent but, with a bit of "encouragement" on here, I shall do it again, starting now.

good luck !
my son is 18 pretty fit - goes to the gym several times a week working out and he seems to have trouble getting a clearly defined 6 pak like wot they have on the front of them mags - I'm not sure it's just a case of dropping half the chocolate bar and a bit of cake....
but if it is I'd definitely say you had a commercial winner on your hands 🙂

In line with the rest of your regime (hard as it sounds)...perhaps try getting up to change channel on your telly, instead of reaching for the remote.

Sit ups!

What might be extra motivation is that we all commit to post topless pictures of ourselves here on, say, Christmas Eve? The threat of public humiliation should harden resolve and make us work harder at it.

As far as discarding cake, beer and chocolate goes, these are parts of a normal diet, I don't want to go all faddish, my belief is that by reducing rather than stopping the consumption of these, I can massively reduce my fat levels in a relatively short time frame. As far as lean protein goes, none of those things I mention contain visible fat, which is good enough for me.

if someone can hide all the custard creams in the world, then i'm in

'Shed fat', what exactly is 'shed fat'? I know there are different types of fat out there, cholestrol and other 'bad fats', is this one of the healthy ones?

'Shed fat', what exactly is 'shed fat'?

It's what you need if you want to be built like a brick sh1t house.

[Edit] have a smiley, i made a funny 😀 [edit]

Shed fat - as in get rid of it!

TSY - you don't "need" fat to be built like a brick outhouse.

I'm an overweight mountain biker. I cant stick to the iDave diet plan cos I have no self control.

This diet plan sounds much better. Where can I get a copy?

quite prepared to do the hard graft

cut my chocolate consumption drastically from my normal mid-morning Green and Blacks bar to only half

Drastic times require drastic measures...

TSY - you don't "need" fat to be built like a brick outhouse.

Whooooosh

I'll just get riding instead.
BWD, a proper traumatic experience can help you loose weight too. Or a lot of sleepless nights. Or, even better, loads of sex.

I'm wondering if it's all as simple as people seem to think. I seem to recall that mixing different food groups can be detrimental. Would it make sense not to mix say, beer and chocolate in one sitting. What sort of gap do I need to leave between the two to maximise fat burning?

Generally, which foods burn fat most effectively?

Generally, which foods burn fat most effectively?

That does not make sense.

Cutting DOWN to 12 pints a week in three sessions of 4 pints.

How many pints/sessions would you normally do?

Lets say 20 mins a pint, three times a week, that's 4 hours in the pub a week, stationary, consuming usless calories.

This feels like a wind up to me too.

This diet plan sounds much better. Where can I get a copy?

I'm planning to post regular updates as I go. As an initial step and to clear the runway, metaphorically speaking, obviously, I'm going to drink the four bottles of beer in the fridge and also any cake that's still in the tin. And before people say that's counter productive, I'm going to compensate by not eating a chocolate bar this morning. That way I start with a clean sheet tomorrow. I may also write about it on my blog. Watch this space I get. Thanks for the supportive posts and the advice, though a lot of it, I think, in purely scientific terms, is bunk - I know it's well intentioned though and that in itself will help me 'shed fat'.

Cutting DOWN to 12 pints a week in three sessions of 4 pints.

I didn't say I was going to do that every week, that's a self-imposred maximum. On some nights I might drink only three pints and a whisky chaser, for example and never more than three times a week. Like I said, I'm prepared to graft and make sacrifices, what I don't want to do is get into some faddish, obsessive framework which in my case at least, will be counter productive.

What do people think about ice cream? Good source of lean protein? Would it make sense to eat more of that rather than cake?

I seem to remembet that the ultimate fat burning food need to conatin a 60:40 mixture of fat and protien. The most readily available foodstuff with this 'magic' ratio... pork scratchings.
Limit yourself to one pack per pint though!

I seem to remember reading somewhere (can't remember where though) about the benefits of removing a tooth on your chainring, making it harder to pedal your bike. That would help, surely? You'd have to work your core muscles harder to get the leverage missing from the tooth on the chainring. Wouldn't cost much, hacksaws are a quid each in the pound shop.

monksie - that is sound advice. The effect can be accentuated by only using one pedal on your bike. Carry the spare in an obsecenely large camelbak stuffed with rocks and make sure you swap over at around the half way point on your ride to the pub.

i'd say that with the swingeing cuts to your intake and the other measures you've put in place that a bristling 6 pack will be yours come Christmas - no problem
hats off to you sir !

This feels like a wind up to me too.

I suspect he's taking the mickey out of me... 😆

And before people start laying into me about vanity, that's simply not the case. I don't want to do this for myself, only so other people can see my abs more clearly.

Quality line 🙂 . Don't other people know how hard it is to be really, really, really, really ridiculously good looking? 😥

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'Dog, whilst I am not up for the six pack by Christmas challenge, I do some Gym work over the winter. I have been using a great book "Weight Training for Cyclists" by Ken Doyle and Eric Schmitz
Ok it isn't targetted at a siz pack, but it is aimed at improving your core strength (something a lot of cyclists lack).

The best bit of kit you could get for helping in your goal is a Swiss ball. Doing the usual exercises such as Plank, sit ups etc on the ball will really help the six pack out.

Favourite exercise to make the abs burn is cycle crunches....

Good luck with the plan, it is certainly ambitious. I think I would be hard pressed to achieve your aim and I don't have any fat to loose!

This is great! It's like sitting by the side of the road in Nairobi again. Laughing at all the minor and regular car crashes but everybody just carries on regardless 🙂

six pack = <8% bodyfat
you can exercise all you like but if you insist on 2400 cals in beer a week you are dreaming.

all the best.

He's dreaming of a six pack...

Give up beer, take up a serious drug habit, loss of appetite, running from cops because of petty crime habit, sleeping. Perfect training programme.

I'm in. The issue I have is that of course below the flab, I'm an absolute god. It's getting people to see the real me, the me inside that is the issue. In other words, it's not my fault they can't see my abs, their eyes just aren't the right sort.

So i draw them on, with fake tan (or nude lipstick)

Grow a mustache, and ask for some hard wearing leather chaps for Christmas too.

Can we have 'before and after photos'?

I know what's happened here, BWD has seen my husbands body on a recent ride (also 5' 9") and become quite jealous.

Suggest giving the Green and Blacks chocolate to me, and replacing with a large grapefruit every day.

Amobeic dysentery and shart yourself thin.

or, at the risk of sounding negative, how about no cake and less than 12 pints a week?

and replacing cake with steamed chicken + steamed veg in tiny portions, - - and thats it.

Thanks for the advice, some of you seem a little, erm, 'basic' in your nutritional thinking. I think it's fair to say that we've moved on from the days when it as all about just reducing calorific intake, the latest science seems to be saying that it's as much or more about how you combine your core foods. Do you honestly think that Brad Pitt gave up beer and chocolate when he was filming for Fight Club, because I don't, I think he actually drinks during the film in fact.

I do accept that I may have to cut back on these core food groups, but I certaily don't have any intention of abstaining - that would be unhealthy and, I think, for me, ultimately counter-productive. As for replacing cake with steamed chicken and steamed veg, all I can say - and not in an offensive way either - is ffs get a life.

'Dog, whilst I am not up for the six pack by Christmas challenge, I do some Gym work over the winter. I have been using a great book "Weight Training for Cyclists" by Ken Doyle and Eric Schmitz
Ok it isn't targetted at a siz pack, but it is aimed at improving your core strength (something a lot of cyclists lack).

Like I said above, I'm focussed on my abs. I'm not really bothered about core fitness, though if it improves as a result of eating slightly less, then that's a bonus for sure.

Thanks all. I'm planning to go for a walk later to burn some abdominal fat and not to the cake shop either before you scoff.

BWD. Watch this (make a cup of tea as its 80min documentary)

http://vidreel.com/video/NTk0MDU0/

Then think about possibly cutting out your 12 pints a week.

No cake, no Green & Black's, no alcohol.

5K run every morning, sit-ups and ab crunches til' you feel sick (morning and night).

More resisting cake, Green & Black's and alcohol.

Then think about possibly cutting out your 12 pints a week.

Like I said before, I don't intend to drink 12 pints every week, it's a maximum, it could be as few as eight or nine. I don't really have time to watch your home movie I'm afraid. Is it one of these wobbling round southern singletrack things?

BadlyWiredDog - I've offered what I believe to be excellent advice.
IIRC Brad Pitt did make some massive changes to his diet in preparation for fight club...

Out - Vicky Sponge, Cup Cakes and Batenburg
In - Lardy Cake, Eton Mess and Danish Pastries

[edit] I'm pretty certain that Cherry Bakewells are on the 'in' list too [edit]

No cake, no Green & Black's, no alcohol.

5K run every morning, sit-ups and ab crunches til' you feel sick (morning and night).

More resisting cake, Green & Black's and alcohol.

No offence, but try reading my previous post and be a bit more imaginative with your nutritional thinking. I'm confident that my plan will be both more effective and more enjoyable. I suspect that be eating foods that specifically target abdominal fat, I'll be able to achieve my goals without such ridiculous measures.

BadlyWiredDog:

I don't really have time to watch your home movie I'm afraid. Is it one of these wobbling round southern singletrack things?

I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly?

BadlyWiredDog - Member

No offence, but try reading my previous post and be a bit more imaginative with your nutritional thinking. I'm confident that my plan will be both more effective and more enjoyable. I suspect that be eating foods that specifically target abdominal fat, I'll be able to achieve my goals without such ridiculous measures.

None taken, but you're coming across a little like one of those 'bubbly' women who order a quarter pounder with cheese, chips and a large Coke before uttering those immortal words 'Actually, make that a Diet Coke', as if it's some kind of magic potion.

I'm confident that my plan will be both more effective and more enjoyable.

im willing to bet that you are 50% right there.

Diet Coke does not work!

I do think you need to vary your drinking though.

You could subsitiute alternate beers with cider and perry. This will stop your body becoming accustomed to one particular type of alcohol so should prevent 'plateau'. It has the added benefit of giving you at least 2 of your 5-a-day.

The thought of abdominal crunches makes me feel sick. I guess on a psychosomatic level that will already be doing me good then?

But if I pull the threads of this thread together, do i understand that it's the combination of food groups that causes the effect? Won't therefore vomiting them back up and so preventing their synergistic effects occurring, actually reduce your fat burning potential.

I'm so confused. And to cap it all, i keep getting this whooshing sound in my ears.

Jamie - Member
I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly?

BadlyWiredDog - Member
I suspect that be eating foods that specifically target abdominal fat....

dunno about jolly, that there is frickin hilarious.

I know, get a tattoo of a six pack drawn on your tummy. decent one mind you, none of this end of the pier tramp stamp nonsense. You could get on one of those discovery channel series (you might have to go to LA though)

Then you won't have to cut down on beer AT ALL!! six pack with no effort at all.

Cool

😆

bravohotel9er - Member
No cake, no Green & Black's, no alcohol.

5K run every morning, sit-ups and ab crunches til' you feel sick (morning and night).

More resisting cake, Green & Black's and alcohol.

That ^

Is the only way to get a 6-pack. Anything else you're kidding yourself. (not the [i]only[/i] way, obviously, but something very much like that)
Last time I had anything remotely defined in the abs area I was boxing training 4 hrs a week, running twice a week and playing regular badminton ([edit]Plus I was 30 years old!)

It takes proper fat burning exercise + correct diet to lost the fat from the stomach - cycling doesn't help much as abs are not used.

I do the same, if not more exercise than a few years ago (including daily dog walks, which don't do anything for fat burning) and my "paunch" seems to be growing anyway - middle aged spread, I believe. I drink about 1-2pints a week on average.

Beer has to be one of the worst things to keep up.

Why would anyone want a set of 6 puny little muscles on their midriff?

A real man has 1 large muscle there, often so large it hangs over his belt. 🙂

None taken, but you're coming across a little like one of those 'bubbly' women who order a quarter pounder with cheese, chips and a large Coke before uttering those immortal words 'Actually, make that a Diet Coke', as if it's some kind of magic potion

That's quite offensive. Not just to me, but also to women reading this thread. I'm a little disappointed at how negative many of these posts are, if I wanted to be told that the only way to get a six-pack was to eat less and train harder, I'd go over to some bloody body fascist exercise asylum, but it seems quite a few of the inmates have found their way over here.

And where did I mention drinking bloody Diet Coke? That's the whole point of it, I don't want to swill down that sort of crap, I want to achieve my objectives without having to resort to masochistic extremes and by simply following a normal diet and exercise regime. I'm off out now for a two-mile walk, which is more than can be said for most of you.

Where do I sign up.. alas I have already missed my morning half a green and blacks so fear I may fall off the wagon a bit quickly.

[i]I'm off out now for a two-mile walk, which is more than can be said for most of you.[/i]

remember to clench. Strain those tummy muscles...Gurn as you walk as you clench. F*ck this lot, they don't understand real life training...

You'll probably loose a few kilos as well, maybe in as short time as 3 weeks, I'm guessing maybe about 6 kilos....

Ohhh, I've just thought of a brilliant one...

Employ some-one with a six pack to impersonate you at important meetings and social gatherings, and engineer situations where they have to take off their shirts to reveal the six pack...Make sure all your friends know, so they can refer to the body double as you rather than you, obviously...

Your wife will go along with this, promise....

[i] bloody body fascists [/i]

Is that what you call realists?

Is that what you call realists?

It's so British isn't it, to sneer at anyone who dares to espouse a viewpoint which differs from the accepted norm and call it 'realism'. I call those people 'sheep' because they lack imagination and originality and hide behind convention to dodge the mundanity of their thinking.

Employ some-one with a six pack to impersonate you at important meetings and social gatherings, and engineer situations where they have to take off their shirts to reveal the six pack...Make sure all your friends know, so they can refer to the body double as you rather than you, obviously...

I applaud your rich fantasy life, but some of us live in the real world, thanks.

Nothing to do with being British. If it was as "easy" as you seem to think, there wouldn't be so many people with big guts!
Your rallying cry to get people to join you seems to be to disagree with anything posted in the most obnoxious way possible.
I would say good luck to you as I depart this thread, but I don't give a sh1t how you get on.

It takes proper fat burning exercise + correct diet to lost the fat from the stomach - cycling doesn't help much as abs are not used.

Newsflash - [b]YOU CAN'T 'CHOOSE' WHERE YOU BURN FAT FROM!![/b].
Excersing a muscle group does just that - excercise that group. Depending on the intensity you will either:
a) increase energy useage from the muscle (i.e. burn fat from the WHOLE BODY - not just the overlying lard)
b) increase the size of the muscle, plus a)

So, as has been said, sit ups/core ex to increase the size of the muscle group, and lose weight/fat to show them off.
No use hiding your sexy bling abs under a duvet of winter insulation is there......!

Beer, chocolate, cake, chips - fine every now and then, but make a diet of them (which I'm afraid tosay it sounds like you are, especially with the alcohol) and you'll never get that washboard!

DrP

[i]All this coming from a man who confidently rode the XC race at last years BBB in his Speedos!!! ;-)[/i]

DrP, are you really a medical doctor? And why did you ride a race in your Speedos? Just wondering.

Your rallying cry to get people to join you seems to be to disagree with anything posted in the most obnoxious way possible.
I would say good luck to you as I depart this thread, but I don't give a sh1t how you get on.

I'm truly sorry if I offended you, you just seem very inflexible in your thinking. I do accept that others may be right and I may be wrong, but it seems very few people are prepared to return the compliment and accept that there may be some validity in my thinking. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

BWD - Brillaint trolling posts.

'I want to be thin, so I'm down to just half a bar of choc a day' - Genius!

'I want to lose fat from my abs only' - Sublime!

Good luck with this. I can't wait to see the photos.

BadlyWiredDog - Member

That's quite offensive. Not just to me, but also to women reading this thread. I'm a little disappointed at how negative many of these posts are, if I wanted to be told that the only way to get a six-pack was to eat less and train harder, I'd go over to some bloody body fascist exercise asylum, but it seems quite a few of the inmates have found their way over here.

I think you and Margaret from human resources should get yourself down to the spinning class on Tuesday night.

After 15 minutes of mild physical exertion, you can go to Harvester to discuss your uniquely laissez-faire fitness regime over a mega combo platter. As long as you stick to 4 pints or less to accompany your meal, you'll be dancing on a podium at G-A-Y clad only in orange PVC hot pants before you can say 'Rosemary Conley'.

I've just eaten a white chocolate Reese's Cup.

There were two in the packet, but I only had one. Buff by morning or my money back.

My plan is to limit myself to no more than four pints in any one session and never to go drinking more than three times a week, maximum, not minimum in case anyone was wondering.

Errr... You know the answer here...

My mate was drinking probably only 2 pints a night, about 4 or 5 nights a week, wondered why he was getting fat... Bear in mind he was going down the gym most evenings too. Anyway, his metabolism is not as fast as it used to be, and the extra 300 odd calories per pint on top of a normal healthy diet were what was doing for him...

Bike riding is CRAP exercise for shifting fat... I know loads of fat fit people that ride bikes. If you really want to get rid of the fat and get a six pack, stop drinking Beer full stop! And don't just ride a bike, you'll need to do lots of other different types of exercise too, and if it's the 6 pack you really want, then probably hundreds of sit ups per day!

You could always employ Contador's doctor and get him to prescribe you some clenbuterol...

😉

Hey BWD, just an opinion here if you are serious then you will need to cut the beer out mate, chocolate or cake (not both together :D) can be a treat ONCE a week and make sure you up your water intake.
Concentrate on pelvic floor exercises squeeze and hold for 5 do this throughout the day and this will strengthen your core, you need to work from the inside out. As for sit ups you have so many variations to hit all sections of your stomach, combine these with lying leg raises and crunches all these need to be carried out slowly with maximum resistance.
When you feel like your going to cry or throw up (and you will) keep going, to be honest the target you have set yourself is a huge and I wish you all the best

Oh I dunno. Drinking a bit of ale isn't the end of the world. I'm trying to lose a bit of weight, mainly to see how fast I can get on my bike. I've cut out all snacking, moderated my portions down a bit, choosing foods as healthy as I can. Also trying to get out riding as much as I can. Lost about 10lb over 6 weeks. Still drinking about 12 pints a week though!

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...but it seems very few people are prepared to return the compliment and accept that there may be some validity in my thinking.

Except the bit about replacing chocolate with ice cream.
Ice cream melts once it's inside you and the calories simply disappear.
You can eat as much ice cream as you want.

I think it's fair to say that we've moved on from the days when it as all about just reducing calorific intake, the latest science seems to be saying that it's as much or more about how you combine your core foods.

I lost three and a half stone in lard over 4 months by exercising for an hour every day and eating 3 normal, healthy meals a day, but cutting out all sweets, biscuits, chocolate etc throughout the week. On saturdays I'd eat an industrial size pack of malteasers and knock back at least a bottle of red, but back to normal the next day. And it was boring and not much fun, but it worked. All this Atkins and 'South Beach' and core dieting and whatever else diets are, IMHO, rubbish. Don't get me wrong, I wish you luck, but it's not easy. And the bit around your stomach is always the last to go. And the first to reappear!

Yes, I am a medical doctor....
And as for riding an xc race in speeds - 'twas the bbb, seemed like the thing to do....!
DrP