See if you can beat this. Someone has decided that the horn on my 5 yr old Peugeot e208 is not loud enough 🤣
I've obviously immediately stopped driving it till I can get this critical issue rectified.
I wish they'd do the same for my radio. Excuse me, "infotainment system."
IIRC there were a spate of crashes in Ford Explorers caused by the throttle sticking open, which turned out to be the mat in the driver's footwell getting wedged under the pedal.
IIRC there were a spate of crashes in Ford Explorers caused by the throttle sticking open, which turned out to be the mat in the driver's footwell getting wedged under the pedal.
You may be thinking of Toyota's in the USA, and there was definitely at least one family killed because of it, so not that stupid.
Actually at least 21 people!
I guess if they don't fix the horn they will be liable for fines from the regulators.
Wasn't there a whole scandal way back where I think it was GM worked out the cost of a recall vs the cost of compensation to families who might've been killed or injured due to their car's fault?
We had a Volvo V70 seatbelt buckle checked for being the correct colour red.*
I suspect the shade of red indicated which manufacturer of the seatbelt buckle, rather than just wrong red, but I may be incorrect.
Wasn't there a whole scandal way back where I think it was GM worked out the cost of a recall vs the cost of compensation to families who might've been killed or injured due to their car's fault?
That was the Ford Pinto I think.
Wasn't there a whole scandal way back where I think it was GM worked out the cost of a recall vs the cost of compensation to families who might've been killed or injured due to their car's fault?
Was this a conversation you had with a luxury soap salesman?
In the 80’s there was a recall for Citroen BX as there had been occasions when cars not left in gear rolled away a while after parking up. It turned out that as the handbrake worked on the front wheels if the handbrake was only pulled up enough to stop the car rolling the discs would cool down, shrinkage allowing the pads to partially release. The very elegant solution was to remove two teeth on the handbrake pawl so you had to pull harder on it to engage the brake.
1992? Astra.
Risk of static electricity igniting fuel vapour as you filled it with petrol.
The fix was a jubilee clip around the filler neck; took the local dealer all day to fix ours!
In the 80’s there was a recall for Citroen BX as there had been occasions when cars not left in gear rolled away a while after parking up.
Mine did that on our sloping drive onto the A40, luckily only got as far as the pavement, neighbours visitors car ended up in the middle of the A40 - but can't remember if that was a BX or not.
The very elegant solution was to remove two teeth on the handbrake pawl so you had to pull harder on it to engage the brake.
I can't decidee if you are being sarcastic or not, but it is a beautifully elegant solution.
Beautifully cheap solution
There's a great "recall" for mine at the moment. The bottom mounting point for the seatbelt can apparently rot away in secret meaning in a collision the seatbelt just detaches and you both fly through the windscreen and get garotted.
There's currently no fix so I'm not entirely sure what the recall achieves.
The thing about the Pinto that gets kind of overlooked is that it was specifically a US market issue. When they fixed it, the most important change was literally just a switch to how they were always made in Canada and if the US ones had that in the first place it'd never have been an issue.
On the other hand with hindsight the cars weren't especially more unsafe than other US cars of the time- it's just that they got a spotlight shone on them which started the movement of going "this isn't acceptable". And a lot of the "Pinto madness" stuff was pretty much false. So it's partly unfair.
Henry Ford II was an utter lunatic when it came to car safety. His opinion was that it was the manufacturer's responsibility to make sure that cars were as unlikely to crash as possible- things like brakes, good handling, reliability- but that after a crash it was none of their business- things like "being able to get out" and "not going on fire" were the fault of the accident not the manufacturer. Some of it might have been commercial, like pushing against crash test legislation, but some of it was just irrational madness. Still on the plus side he wasn't a raging antisemite.
In the 80’s there was a recall for Citroen BX as there had been occasions when cars not left in gear rolled away a while after parking up.
Citroen Xantia. Because it had vented disks so the contraction as they cooled was greater. Was also probably the 90's.
Henry Ford II was an utter lunatic when it came to car safety. His opinion was that it was the manufacturer's responsibility to make sure that cars were as unlikely to crash as possible- things like brakes, good handling, reliability- but that after a crash it was none of their business- things like "being able to get out" and "not going on fire" were the fault of the accident not the manufacturer. Some of it might have been commercial, like pushing against crash test legislation, but some of it was just irrational madness. Still on the plus side he wasn't a raging antisemite.
An approach well adopted by mini and other small cars of the era.
"Doesn't crash, is the safety feature"
Beautifully cheap solution
Which is the elegant bit. No need to redesign pawl ratios etc just prevent the user having any ability to put it on lightly.
There was a recall of the 7 seat VW Buzz in the US only, as the rearmost 2 seats are too wide. This means in theory, 3 people can sit in them even though there are only 2 seatbelts. This was in breach of some US regulations.
The fix - add a raised plastic trim either side to reduce the useable width.
In Cyprus my mother has a 1997 Honda CRV. We were unable to tax it this year, despite it having a valid MOT, because there was a safety recall on the air bag igniters. On a 29 year old car… 🙄
Of course Honda Cy didn’t have stock so it was then a battle by our Honda Dealer to secure a set from another dealer on the island. Fortunately, my late father had been great friends with the dealer’s late father since the early ‘60’s and that sort of friendship never goes away. We got the car sorted at a speed seldom seen on a Mediterranean island and I on our next trip have to go drinking with my father’s friend’s grandson, which is no great hardship.
My 21year old £500 Cayenne has a recall for the parking dog not engaging properly in ‘P’. I’ve spoken with the local ish main dealer who said they would collect it on a transporter and return when done.
I did say I probably didn’t match their usual customer profile but the receptionist/telephone person was cool about things.
because there was a safety recall on the air bag igniters. On a 29 year old car… 🙄
To be fair short of wheels dropping off an airbag exploding at an opportune moment (or not exploding at an opportune moment) os a pretty massive deal.
Wasn't there a whole scandal way back where I think it was GM worked out the cost of a recall vs the cost of compensation to families who might've been killed or injured due to their car's fault?
That was the ford Pinto
How can you put a price on someone being burned to death!
How can you put a price on someone being burned to death!
Happens all the time!
Most recalls are a toss up between "likelihood of happening" and "how much is it going to cost us if it does happen?" Further balanced out with calculations of something very unlikely but with massive financial implications vs something more likely but where the consequence is minor inconvenience and therefore minimal financial cost.
See also, councils refusing to install a speed camera / traffic calming measures until someone is actually killed.
As we've veered into very late recalls, my 2016, 160,000 mile Transit Connect went in for a DPF inspection the other week. Unfortunately it passed the inspection and they didn't fit a new one.
It had the full up-selling 'complementary safety inspection' while it was there and came back with a full sheet of green ticks which I was pleased about though. 🤩
Tata airbags are still killing someone every two months despite a massive recall and adverts on TV every day at present.
Sensible recall for an airbag on a Ford Galaxy, but....
You'd think a main dealer doing recall work mandated by the manufacturer would be halfway competent, but no, it took 3 appointments before they finally managed to do the work. First, they didn't have the part. 2nd time they had the wrong part, took 3 hours to work out why it didn't fit, would be funny except my wife was killing time in the local shops while they did a '45 minute' job. They also left the car with a clicking steering column. 3rd attempt, they actually had the right part!
It had the full up-selling 'complementary safety inspection' while it was there
I also got this, added up to something like 3-4k in cosmetic work on a 15-year-old car. The highlight was around £250 to fix the light over the registration plate, as the clip had broken and it was taped in place, as it had been for years.
Tata airbags are still killing someone every two months despite a massive recall and adverts on TV every day at present.
I have 2 2004 Subarus, both JDM grey imports so that can mess with things like history and recalls. Last time I bought parts for one of them it set off some sort of computer klaxon, apprently they'd done yet another pass of the databases and found mine hadn't had the airbags done. And it was like "We are going to overnight a set to your local dealership and we will have the car collected by a truck today and get the work done by 10am tomorrow". My explosive brother in christ the car has done 90000 miles and at least 5 trackdays with its OEM facebombs, I can wait a day or two then drive it the 2 miles to the dealership to get them defused"
But I do appreciate them taking it seriously.
In the 80’s there was a recall for Citroen BX as there had been occasions when cars not left in gear rolled away a while after parking up.
Citroen Xantia. Because it had vented disks so the contraction as they cooled was greater. Was also probably the 90's.
Yup it was the Xantia. IIRC correctly what particularly motivated the recall - as Citroen weren't entertaining the idea when customers complained - was there being a fleet buyer that had a lot of Xantias and a sloping carpark.
Didn't the early BMW mini's have a static issue that cause at spark between the car and the petrol pump nozzle when you went to fill up. BMW issued a statement reassuring customers that if the spark did result in a fire it would be very brief.
I think in the case of the OP there's nothing trivial about the horn not being loud enough - the purpose of it is to warn people of your presence to try and prevent you or them being killed or injured. Thats not always how they are used but it is why it's there. And if its not working properly its an MOT failure - which given that these days recall notices are on the vehicles MOT record it presumably will fail if not addressed before its next test.
My 21year old £500 Cayenne has a recall for the parking dog.
Such a talented pup was that Bert
RIP
there were a spate of crashes in Ford Explorers caused by the throttle sticking open, which turned out to be the mat in the driver's footwell getting wedged under the pedal.
I don't know if it was ever a recall issue - but I had an exciting moment with the throttle stick on in a VW polo - which was fun on an urban section of the M8 in rush hour. The rubber pad on the pedal and split and spread just enough that it would snag on the carpet and hold the pedal down.
A friend who was a classic car mechanic had a Morris Minor brought in to them becuase the brakes were under powered. Turned out throughout the the car's 60 year history it had been treated to car mats on more than one occasion - non of the old mats had ever been taken out though.
Yup it was the Xantia
And the BX. My 16v Gti had the recall in my ownership
oh, and I wasn’t being sarcastic. It was a neat solution
Didn't the early BMW mini's have a static issue that cause at spark between the car and the petrol pump nozzle when you went to fill up. BMW issued a statement reassuring customers that if the spark did result in a fire it would be very brief.Yes, there's a video somewhere of a car exploding while being filled at one of BMWs facilities somewhere.
You may be thinking of Toyota's in the USA, and there was definitely at least one family killed because of it, so not that stupid.It's now a text book example that most automotive engineers go through. Apprently some of the worst software to go into a car. Failed some of the most basic software safety checks by factors of 200 plus.
There was a recall of the 7 seat VW Buzz in the US only, as the rearmost 2 seats are too wide. This means in theory, 3 people can sit in them even though there are only 2 seatbelts. This was in breach of some US regulations.That came across my desk briefly, think there were a handful of cars caught up in that, i *think* they revised the dimensions in the standard about 10 years ago, and no one had twigged as virtually no one was impacted (most 3rd row seats are separate, and not many cars have only two belts on the second row seat)...The fix - add a raised plastic trim either side to reduce the useable width.
In the 80’s there was a recall for Citroen BX as there had been occasions when cars not left in gear rolled away a while after parking up.
Yep, happened to me, pulled handbrake on, brakes cooled, rolled down the hill. The investigation concluded that out of 16 (or so) teeth available I'd pulled 13/14 of them or so.
The investigation concluded that out of 16 (or so) teeth available I'd pulled 13/14 of them or so.
I had a couple of BX's back in the day, (bloody fantastic cars - until the hydraulic system got middle aged, then £££ 😨) and I recall that was standard fare. It'd get adjusted at MOT time, and a month later you'd be back to having the handle engaged at about 45 degrees.
And the BX. My 16v Gti had the recall in my ownership
Given the Xantia was the replacement for the BX, then not learning from the earlier mistake does make it a pretty bloody stupid recall! Guess the GTi had uprated, vented disks then.
