[Closed] Stoner's next project is....

2kg a week if you idiet well. The diet you suggest will work very well but if you ramp up the exercise loads you may (or may not) find it harder due to carb cravings

Ive had the carb cravings before and a massive fall off in power oomph (But oddly no lactic burn). But Im planning on doing more geared road riding initially rather than my usual SS honking up the malverns to try and keep the load steady to start with.

I was at 13 1/2 stone until about 6 weeks ago. Being a hairy builder type, sandwiches are the staple diet for the day. However I've cut the biscuits and chocolate out and I'm doing two flat out rides a week. Lost a stone. I've not been 12 1/2 for about 10 years.

2kg a week if you idiet well.

Dunno about those low carb diets as I'd hate going on one but to lose that amount of weight implies burning 2000 calories a day more than consumed in normal terms.

My weight loss has always been based on road riding lots and eating low fat food and little sugar except when riding.

Best of luck fella

FWIW Smoking is an excellent appetite suppressant

Careful. My mate decided this at a similar age and is now ultra geeky obsessive about heart rates, zones, training, etc. He has lost weight but there WILL be graphs 😉

FWIW Smoking is an excellent appetite suppressant

[s]When[/s] If I make to 60 I have vowed to take up pipe smoking again 😉

good numbers wrightyson, If I can achieve something like that I'll be very happy.

It all started to go wrong when you begun referring to yourself in the third person. 🙂

Anyway, best of luck. I'm in a similar position and need to do something sooner rather than later. 🙁

Hopefully not preaching but try myfitnesspal, it helps doing the adding for you and tells you how many calories are in each meal/snack. Some "healthy" options will surprise you.

Works for me as I can still have a pizza/curry/beer if I feel like it, I just need to balance it out by eating a bit less earlier in the day or doing some cycling.

I am a 6kg lighter since christmas and 27kg ligher than my heaviest 😯

But last night I caught sight out of the corner of my eye of a weeble-shaped blob, sitting on the edge of the bed puffing as he pulled his socks on.

This is not good I thought.

have you tried standing further away from the mirror? If that works try standing further away from people too and see if you go up in their estimations. (you may have to learn to project your voice a little)

Do it! I keep falling of the the couch to 5K bandwagon. I have to get fit again before I head off to Ciclo in October.

A HRM is addictive, especially when you start looking to burn fat. Getting the revs down to that sweet spot is harder than you'd think.

To be honest maccruiskeen, unless he stands quite a distance from you, you can't actually see his big head without straining your own neck. He's the only human (?) to have his perception affected by the curvature of the earth. 😯

Pardon? Speak up - I'm further away than I look

Avoid unbalanced fad diets
Myfitnesspal is useful
1-2lbs (sorry lost on modern measurments) a week
Slow and steady wins the race
Exercise more, eat less (oops did i say that?)

Best of luck - first step, is to make the commitment to change.

Hopefully not preaching but try myfitnesspal

I started using this last week after it was mentioned on another thread. I still eat the same main meals but have cut out the snacks at work because seeing the figures makes it easier to ignore Tesco £1 bag of Milkybar buttons/Malteasers/Minstrels when I pop in for my lunch.

I'm actually quite surprised that by just eating 3 meals of:

Cereal
Sandwiches
Meat, veg, potatoes

with maybe the odd bag of crisps/bit of chocolate I'm not even hitting 1800 calories a day.

Really worth watching the horizon on iplayer called "eat, fast and live longer".

Really worth reading Michael Pollan's "In defence of food".

Good luck, you will feel better for it.

FWIW Smoking crack is an excellent appetite suppressant

FTFY

If I make to 60 I have vowed to take up pipe smoking again

Exercise more, eat less (oops did i say that?)

We are all very lucky in that we enjoy doing something that sorts out this sort of problem. Imagine if you were looking at your folds in the bedroom mirror and thinking "[i]Bugger, I'm all flabby. I'd better take up Zumba or sign up to be shouted at in a public park by a bitter ex-serviceman while I do sit-ups[/i]".

🙂

they do that in my local park it is hilarious to watch.
they give them different coloured bibs based on fitness
Yellow seems to mean can barely walk 😉

Stoner.

1kg a week should be a realistic figure. Anything that promises huge weight loss or a massive change in diet will only work in the short term or whilst you continue the diet. Carbs aren't bad in small, moderate doses, your body does need some instant energy rich food. Just eat it earlier in the day before exercise.

Approaching the BIG 40 it only gets harder to shift the weight. Apart from the age thing, life gets in the way.

1kg a week should be a realistic figure.

Someone getting metric/imperial units muddled?

[i] And will try and keep away from breads, rice, pasta and spuds.[/i]

As an aside, was reading about gluten and coincidentally my hay-fever has more or less disappeared since giving up pasta and bread, so there are other health benefits as well as losing the paunch 🙂

A familar story almost to the year, I'm still struggling a decade later, so many excuses.

Half the ale and ditch the bread, up the rides and consider swimming membership. I lost about 1 and half stone in a summer, totally changed my lifestyle and used the car hardly at all. It's the putting it back on in winter and spring that needs sorting. Fixing bad eating habits has to stay fixed.

Ive had the carb cravings before and a massive fall off in power oomph

Some people get that, some don't. If you do you'll really have to watch how much intense stuff you do.

Ive had the carb cravings before and a massive fall off in power oomph

I was 15st 10 & 6ft2 & had the same thoughts as the OP

I've been 13st2-13st6 for the last year & it's simply down to the move more eat the right things ethos
Cheese is now a treat rather than a staple diet & if I know I'm going to eat a lot I make sure I've burnt calories to compensate
I aim for 1600 calories a day & use www.myfitnesspal.com to track the calories & exercise
It's not easy but getting into a routine & having your partner do similar makes it more achievable

May I offer a snippet of advice:

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It's easy to lose weight.

Turn off the fridge.

Stoner, I decided around Easter I needed to lose about 7 or 8kg (95kg at the start) as I'm 50 and 5'11(ish).
I've done two things:
1) Reduce carbs - so no bread, biscuits, pasta or pastry but plenty of meat, salad, vegs, cheese, eggs, etc.
2) Excercise more. My weekly bike outing was never going to do the trick so I bought a Concept2 rowing machine.

The C2 is excellent. It sits in my home office and I can do a quick 30-45 minute session 4 times a week whether its hot, cold, raining or dark. There's loads of support on t'web (forums, rankings, workout plans, etc) and when/if I'm done with it I'll be able to sell it for pretty much what I paid for it.
Compared to biking it's a better workout and really helps your core fitness. I've done about 145,000m since Easter, lost about 3.5kg and frankly feel fitter now than I have in the last 10 years (inc when I did a half marathon).
Biking is fine but rowing will do you more good and quicker. Combine this with a diet change and you'll find it easy.

was making a point of talking to the woman next door yesterday because she has lost 4 stone over the last year and now is frankly HOT.. she eats leaves runs and goes down the gym..

a year ago she was no1 pie eater round here two bus seats the works but WOW..

do you think your neighbours wives will be talking about Stoner in such terms in a year?

do you think your neighbours wives will be talking about Stoner in such terms in a year?

😀

Good luck.
A few thoughts:
1. prioritise your health in every decision you make - always go for the choice which has most beneficial impact on your health
2. Move around more on a day to day basis - it's about more than just doing lots of exercise after sitting down all day
3. get more sleep
4. set a target and tell everyone you know what it is. The social pressure/support and male pride of having to admit failure will be useful in moments of weakness
5. Enter a competitive event you have to trail for - desire to do well will help motivate you to sustain the effort

Thank you all, gents.
It's nice to know Im not the only fatboy in this village 🙂

Sharkbait. That hurts. The truth really hurts 🙁

Will report back with progress if there's any...in due course.

🙄

Last Sunday's weigh marks the first time I've been below 15st in maybe 5-6 years...

Best advice I can give is commute by bike. I ride 5 miles each way to college as many days as I can and it's great. Gives me a lot more energy throughout the day as well.

Another thing is to cut out the lunches. I find I usually tend to grab a snack when I get home anyway, so I leave the lunch out so I'm only eating when I get home, i.e. straight after exercise. Also, leave your wallet(or at least your change) at home to avoid buying unhealthy snacks.

Joshing sharkbait, Joshing 😉

I think commuting by bike is a somewhat redundant option for Stoner.

😈

eggs are filling and yummy and full of protein and fat and no carbs.
eat eggs.

A plus one for myfitnesspal and link it to Endomondo. Worked a treat for me last year. Lost 17kg without too much faffing with food types. I was down to 76.5kg by the end of the year I seem to have gained some weight when the kidney infection laid me low in March so I'm steadily losing some again.

Do longer rides, the Malverns ain't big enough.

10 years older, 6'2" and 80kg.

Hopefully, Stoner is cracking on with his healthy eating this morning, and eschewed his usual double helping of pop tarts dipped in treacle for breakfast.

One boiled egg and a coffee and Im ready to go.

I put yesterday into myfitnesspal.

Does it matter that 60% of my calorie intake comes from beer and nuts? 😀

In fact I feel pretty gratified that myfitensspal DEMANDS that I drink beer and eat nuts otherwise apparently I will go into starvation mode and start nibbling my children or something.

He's ridden into town to look for gram flour.

EDIT: he's back already. I bet he drove.

Does it matter that 60% of my calorie intake comes from beer and nuts?

Not really. In fact it's a good thing. As you know exactly what to knock on the head to drop your calorie intake by 60%.

He's ridden into town to look for gram flour.

Force of habit has him looking for it near the pik 'n mix.

I tried gram flour a few years ago, dear god it's foul stuff.

IME substitute ingredients are universally shit

IME substitute ingredients are universally shit

I agree, hence Lager is off the list.

Oy. Fatty.

I have also been avoiding riding etc with real life, comfy sofas and excuses. I rode with a much fitter friend on trails he knows backwards and got my arse handed to me on a plate. My lungs felt like rejected transplants and it was the wake up call I needed.
Ride, fatboy, ride!

I went for a ride with Mrs Stoner yesterday.
After the first 2 miles I said "if you keep up that work rate, you're doing the next 20 miles on your own".

To be fair, she had just come second in a local triathlon last weekend, whereas I had managed to polish off a Morrisions Special Offer lattice pork pie. I reckon it wasnt a fair fight from the start, she didnt stand a chance.

That's the thing I've missed most this week. Pork pies. The 'mericans just don't understand them 😥

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I went for a ride with Mrs Stoner yesterday.
After the first 2 miles I said "if you keep up that work rate, I'm doing the next 20 miles in the car".

FIFY

A bit of the 5/2 diet, or more realistically the 6/1 or 5.5/1.5 diet always works wonders for me if I'm trying to lose a few pounds. That in combination with getting out on the bike of course.

I went for a ride with Mrs Stoner yesterday.
..... blah blah blah.......
I had managed to polish off a Morrisions Special Offer lattice pork pie.

Try two eggs for breakfast. Just had a omlette - two eggs, little cheese, tomato and a bit of chorizo. That will see me through to lunchtime with just the addition of a couple of coffee's.
Favourite breakfast is kippers (nothing added). Two of those will fill me up until about 3pm

porkpie was a weekend event.
Since then my body has been a temple: I leave the shoes on the outside.
bdumtish.

So, have you lost any weight since yesterday's weighmageddon?

200g, but I might need a poo soon.

When you next weigh in, don't forget to have a pee, poo, shave, clip your finger and toenails, take off your wedding ring and hold your breath 😆

and hold your breath

Exhale surely?

Unless you had just inhaled some helium.

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Does it matter that 60% of my calorie intake comes from beer and nuts?

The nuts?

Im interested in this to as I realistically need to lose around 25kgs over the next couple of years.

people mention cutting out carbs but what do you replace them with??

This is me......

If Im on days at work..

I have cereal for breakfast.cup of tea and a glass of orange juice.

A sandwich at lunch if Im on days (ham cheese and coleslaw)bag of crisps and a 2 finger kitkat.

plus an evening meal.

I drink lots of water through the day.

On nights.....

cereal around 13:00 plus cup of tea.

normal meal consisting of rice or pasta with veg and either tuna or chicken(quite a big meal)between 19:30 and 21:30

cup of tea when I get in around 03:00

What can I cut out there and what can I replace it with??

Lunch today was lettuce, beetroot, tomato and slices of ham. SO according to myfitnesspal 400g for only 186 calories.

I had no idea you could consume so few calories without trying.

Breakfast came to 83 calories.

after my ride just now, apparently Im -492 calories for the day - i.e. I need to go and consume a further 2712 calories at dinner tonight. That's 12 pints and a bag of nuts! Woohoo!
What am I missing?

(PS nickc, we know where this is going to end up, don't we 😉 )

people mention cutting out carbs but what do you replace them with??

You don't cut them out, you cut out *high GI* carbs. Which is anything starchy, really.

There's carbs in vegetables, including root veg, and beans and lentils. That's where you get them from.

A sandwich at lunch if Im on days (ham cheese and coleslaw)bag of crisps and a 2 finger kitkat.

Cheers for the info.

Are wholemeal pasta and rice etc a no no then ?

what can I have at breakfast instead of cereal? needs to be quick really

we know where this is going to end up, don't we

A really detailed, graph-laden but energy efficient homebrew setup to be able to afford 12 pints a night? Win!

In case you haven't worked it out, MFP exercise calories are a tad optimistic 😉

Breakfast came to 83 calories.

What was that then?

a boiled egg and 3 cups of coffee.

Normally I just have coffee. The egg was a terrible, terrible mistake. I feel so fat, I hate myself now 😉

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Far too much milk there bear...think of the Calorie and Sugar content!

Eggs are fine, eat as many as you can.

Stoner in 6 months:

I had no idea you could consume so few calories without trying.

I used MyFitnessPal while doing the iDiet a couple of years ago; despite stuffing myself silly it said I was eating way under the calories I needed and that I'd weigh next to nothing in no time.

Instead, I dropped to 65kg and then stayed there regardless of how much (iDiet) food I ate or how much exercise I did.

Boiled eggs, pair of for brekkie. Keeps you going till lunch time, and even then I find I eat less at lunch.

<whispers> I do have a couple of slices of Vogel with them though. Boiled eggs need toast.

That and running. It's a harsh truth, but it works.

you need to ride the bike more - go further not faster

porridge made with water for the best diet breakfast option

drink halves in the pub

ditch the pies, takeaways, fast food