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getting a ‘special vibe’ from a pot of daffodils?
Nah, you need to get that from LoveHoney.
in what sense?
Heads up Mr W, looks like you've got a bite. Careful with the reel now, not too quickly, don't want him to struggle too much now...
Heads up Mr W, looks like you’ve got a bite
Yeah, I checked the list, and it is actually my turn (which has come around suspiciously quickly if you ask me) hey ho.
Science, logic and rational thought have got us this far …
I always thought it was opposable thumbs, a larger brain than the competition and a dose of deviousness with a dash of being a massive dick to every other species.
In the sense that any of it is meaningful. A sense of oneness with the universe is certainly something I’ve had on LSD. Special vibes from flowers, too.
Were they ‘spiritual’ experiences or just fun hallucinations of no greater weight than enjoying a fairground ride?
Perhaps we need to define what the word ‘spiritual’ actually means.
**** me it's STW Groundhog Day, where Mr W needs to massage his ego, or something.
Do you fap to these discussions MR W?
Were they ‘spiritual’ experiences or just fun hallucinations of no greater weight than enjoying a fairground ride?
You tell me, what did you feel? What you can't do is tell how anyone else feels and whether they are having spiritual experiences.
After a quick google, I found this:
Did you read it?
Have a read Deep History and the Brain?
Perhaps it’s hereditary...
Very salutary. How about dream catchers and a feeling of one-ness with the universe or getting a ‘special vibe’ from a pot of daffodils?
I’m not sure dream-catchers are consistent with an Eastern concept of ‘one-ness with the universe’, but if that’s what floats one’s boat... Far be it from me to wee on somebody’s barbecue. I do get a certain amount of pleasure out of seeing daffs glowing in early spring sunshine, I guess that might be called a ‘vibe’, I don’t know. What I do find really annoying is the recent habit of visitors to ancient Neolithic sites covering trees with all sorts of nasty plastic tat, ribbons, dream-catchers, bits of coloured string, etc., and it looks bloody awful. They also put candles onto standing stones, and inside burial chambers, which covers the stone with melted paraffin wax and greasy black smoke stains, in some sort of ersatz paganism, and all it does is damage the stone and visually pollute the whole place. My own belief is pantheistic humanism, I don’t give a toss what anyone else believes in, providing they don’t force it on others, or desecrate, ancient monuments which have survived five millennia without being spoilt by plastic crap.
When it became obvious that I viewed the term with a smattering of risibility, He became unhappy
Just for the record, I wasn’t rude...He wasn’t that upset.
I suspect that you may be full of shit. I don’t mean that in an impolite way obviously, so if you take offence at this I’ll assume it’s down to your own character flaws.
I find myself, yet again, in agreement with Mr Woppit. There are plenty of times when I find myself in awe of the universe and think "hmm, there might be something more than my evidence-based standpoint can explain". And I love those moments, whether it's hugging a new born grandchild, that moment near the end of a cold rainy ride when the setting sun breaks through the clouds or the feeling of windsurfing on big Atlantic swell in the trade winds, knowing that you're intruding on something that's been going round the planet undisturbed for millions of years.
But when you go to the crusty end of a festival where the zen massage and crystal chakras live, you can be forgiven for thinking it's all bollocks.
cyclesouthwest... much as I admire the late Hitch and his work, including that book, it’s ‘spirituality’ I’m discussing, not ‘religion’...
Any takers on the link between ‘spiritualty’ and mental illness? IS there a link? The psychologists seem to think so.
I'm probably going to regret wading into this, but I do find this an interesting thread.
It appears to me that the modern idea of sprituality or "being spiritual" seems to involve cherry-picking a number of the nicer ideas from some religions and ignoring the more nuanced, complicated or just plain inconvenient ones.
This could very easily become "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".
Sprituality is your own journey, of course, but religion provides context and a moral compass.
Would it be possible to be religious without necessarily being spiritual?
I don’t think one should be given any special privilege over the other (and on a point of note, Woppit’s own beliefs are no more or less worthy than Mr Spiritual’s, worth remembering when you’re lining up to take him to task).
Either way round it's one of those subjects that can be a real pain in the arse when one end won't drop it.
How about dream catchers and a feeling of one-ness with the universe or getting a ‘special vibe’ from a pot of daffodils?
Dream catchers ??? Fairly harmless.... kid has one he bought with spending money on holiday at a hippy market... As I tell him, no of course it doesn't DO anything ... but so what.
One-ness with the universe .... well we are... we are all made of the same shit.
Special Vibes from a pot of daffodils ??? Sure brings back thoughts of Buttermere via Wordsworth... and a young lady I made acquaintance with many years ago 😀 and that makes me think of Thackery ... and hence to Pocohantis and Longfellow and I'm back at dream catchers.
Someone pass the joint please.....
As someone who experiences clinical depression - I’ve been mentally ill. I’ve not been described as ‘spiritual’ yet though - so the reverse isn’t yet proven... Hope that helps OP.
I do share the hearty dislike of dumping new-age related stuff everywhere though. It’s as bad as dog poo in bags hanging on trees IMHO.
But when you go to the crusty end of a festival where the zen massage and crystal chakras live, you can be forgiven for thinking it’s all bollocks.
All you have to do is pay a visit to Glastonbury* and look at the shops!
*That’s the town, not the festival at Pilton. And yes, I die a little inside every time I go there. Every other shop that isn’t a charity shop is selling crystals, or some other form of new age tat.
Any takers on the link between ‘spiritualty’ and mental illness? IS there a link? The psychologists seem to think so.
Well that was why I asked if you read the article because I left with the impression psychologists didn't believe that spirituality was a cause of mental health problems. More that people with mental health problems were more likely to take an interest in spirituality as a potential way to help themselves. More likely than say, happy consumers worshipping in the church of capitalism.
I find Shamanism interesting, this type of thing. Would be interesting to know what is really going on there. See also John Forbes Nash, I've only watched the movie about him, so don't know if he had any spiritual beliefs or not.