[Closed] Sometimes I'd rather not be proved right

hasnt france bannedit

you have no idea whats under my cod piece either FFS, get a grip.

such inflammatory reporting.
bomber + burka + french soldiers = BIG NEWS.
bomber + pashmina + italian soldiers = not so big news.

So your objection to the burkha includes the wearing of it in Afghanistan too?

This happened in a public place. Perhaps we should stop motorcyclists from wearing helmets too.

Speechless.

Perhaps we should stop motorccyclists from wearing helmets too

they are in banks and petrol stations .

Yes but this wasn't in a bank or a petrol station was it?

perhaps we should stop bombers? or perhaps stop invading their countries
Has this [Burkha wearing bomber] happened in western Europe or France?
Given the UK's experience we should ban rucksacks

I am not sure it makes much, if any, sense to generalise from this incident to Burkha wearing in France.

I don't know, but I assume that the explosives weren't strapped round his face. So I don't why making the face visible would stop a suicide bomber.

Perhaps the solution is to make the wearing of baggy clothing illegal ?

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Down with that sort of thing.

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Nudism. Perhaps that's the answer?

I object to the burka on the basis that it subjugates the wearer, even if they are brainwashed into believing its virtue. It has no place in the modern world.

Perhaps the solution is to make the wearing of baggy clothing illegal ?

I've often argued that proper tailoring is the only true path world peace. Well, apart from the wearing of proper hats again.

I'd definitely ban rucksacks, always knocking into you when the owner turns round. GGGRRRRRR.

And don't get me started on bloody umbrellas.

I think the OP was implying that a woman in a burkha would be less likely to be suspected of being a suicide bomber and could therefore wander around near troops without being stopped and searched.

perhaps those wearing burkhas should make their gender more evident through exposure of their gender differentiators so that any male burkha wearers would stand out.

I object to the burka on the basis that it subjugates the wearer, even if they are brainwashed into believing its virtue. It has no place in the modern world.

I know how much we in the west like the suggestion of the imposition of Sharia law on us so i cant see why they wont be grateful for our [s]imposition[/s] gift of freedom on them.

isnt this a case of 'i'm not racist [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/racism-2 ]but.....[/url]'

Sometimes I'd rather not be proved right

Well haven't been proven right on this occasion so you can relax

a woman in a burkha would be less likely to be suspected of being a suicide bomber

Handy for the woman who are suicide bombers then.

Again, I don't know and it's just speculation, but I suspect that there are more female suicide bombers than there are cross dresser suicide bombers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18377761

But its afganistan, where anything seems to go, not France.

Mankinis!

It happened in Afghanistan. We have no idea what muslim women in Saudi Arabia think about being forced to wear the burka or not being allowed to drive, Junkyard, they can't vote or express their views freely.

I suspect that there are more female suicide bombers than there are cross dresser suicide bombers

I dissaprove of suicide bombers, but I will defend to the death their right to wear high heels.

I suspect that there are more female suicide bombers than there are cross dresser suicide bombers.

Junkyard, they can't vote or express their views freely.

Is that because we failed to establish a good government when we invaded them and gave them democracy ...what were we thinking of....they dont even have any oil 😯

So women cant drive in Saudi or wear the clothes they want in france. I defend neither example of the oppression of women

It happened in Afghanistan. We have no idea what muslim women in Saudi Arabia think about being forced to wear the burka or not being allowed to drive, Junkyard, they can't vote or express their views freely.

Ah, I see. At least in Afghanistan they have democracy - we made certain of that. Bloody expensive in money and blood but worth it no doubt. So we know that they dress like that because they want to. The jury's still out on Saudi Arabia though.

If you're going to blow yourself up, why would it make a difference?

Wear a burka if you are ugly otherwise no.

As for the suicide bombers don't they know the world population is not going to decrease no matter how many they kill. Bunch of numb nuts.

If they are really suicidal then please press the nuclear button and wipe the world to kingdom come after all human are maggots ... bloody infestation.

I say nuke the world now ... reduce the population!

Or alternatively we nuke them to reduce their population then label them as endanger species with only say few hundreds left in the wild ...

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I've often argued that proper tailoring is the only true path world peace. Well, apart from the wearing of proper hats again.

Mankinis!

and not forgetting the number of poison darts you can get into an umbrella

I'd rather not be proved right

I really don't think you have anything to worry about on that front petal..

from your posting history I think you've probably got more chance of winning the euromillions..

I really don't think you have anything to worry about on that front petal..

fnarr fnarr.. 😀

Edukator - Member
For some time I've been objecting to the burka on the basis you have no idea who or what is under the thing. Well a male wearing a burka and a lot of explosives has just blown himself up killing four French troops and injuring several others. Source: TF1

Don't think to hard has thats how one of the London bombers left this country wearing a Burka
Weird thing is I've been to many Muslim countries or quarters and if not only to find it worn here !

grantway - Member
Don't think to hard has thats how one of the London bombers left this country wearing a Burka
Weird thing is I've been to many Muslim countries or quarters and if not only to find it worn here !

Most don't wear Burka except when force as in Afghanistan and those who volunteer to wear one has a twisted mind ...

chewkw - Member
Most don't wear Burka except when force as in Afghanistan and those with a twisted thinking ...

Great

grantway - Member

Most don't wear Burka except when force as in Afghanistan and those with a twisted thinking ...

Great

Footie is on ...

LOL Thanks for the Heads up ! chewkw 😉

Odds of conversation between Grantway and Chewkw becoming absolutely incomprehensible?

Nonsense. Chewkw always makes perfect sense to me.

I treat his insightful muses as treasured pearls of wisdom which he honours us by sharing.

I don't think edukator needs worry too much.

What a brilliantly self-aggrandising thread title. Bravo.

Looks like the Edukator needs some Edukayshun

Again...

So you believe we should treat the symptom rather than the cause?

I think the best way to stop terrorism is to adopt a foreign policy that does not marginalise or anger people to the extent that they are willing to don women's clothing and blow themselves up.

Just a thought.

Spin - Member

So you believe we should treat the symptom rather than the cause?

Eh? A bit like chicken and egg isn't it?
Symptom -> cause -> symptom -> cause ... which comes first?

I think the best way to stop terrorism is to adopt a foreign policy that does not marginalise or anger people to the extent that they are willing to don women's clothing and blow themselves up.

There is not such thing as not marginalising people as the whole bloody maggot mankind is built on marginalising each other. The answer is how much do we tolerate being marginalised by each other.

The way to stop marginalising one party is to completely nuke them to kingdom come so no one complaints about being marginalised because there is nobody left. Problem solved ... until such time as we start multiplying again to compete for limited resources. Bunch of greedy buggers.

Did they use it to get into somewhere where only women in burkas could get that was expected to be bomb-free?

I suspect that there are more female suicide bombers than there are cross dresser suicide bombers.

You'd be wrong then. Even those groups that use women suicide bombers use far more men than women. Inequality in suicide bombing as well - terrible.

Eh? A bit like chicken and egg isn't it?
Symptom -> cause -> symptom -> cause ... which comes first?

No it's nothing like chicken and egg.

Cause comes first.

That's why it's called the "cause".

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Daft outsize fancy dress is also not so popular in France. Thank heavens for that.

"For some time I've been objecting to the burka on the basis you have no idea who or what is under the thing. "

Whenever I've won a burka, it hasnt been an problem knowing who's under the thing. But if you're worried you're going to forget who you are, then I suggest you hold off wearing them. Hth.

I'm sure if we ask the UN nicely they can ban it globally. What with their astounding ability to create world peace, eliminate poverty, ensure the entire world is well fed and has enough water and cure disease. With all that in the bag, I'm sure they can easily ban the burka.

If we're going to get the UN to do the burka ban, I'd like to request that they also ban the polar opposite. I'd like people carrying too much weight banned from wearing anything skin tight as with those you know exactly what is under the thing.

You'd be wrong then.

Go on then, tell me - how many suicide bombers are crossdressers and how many are women ?

It doesn't matter what a suicidal attacker is wearing, if he/she wants to do that sort of thing they'll find a way. It's a tragedy that these things happen, but clothing choice has little to do with it.

I personally find the cultural norms of many religions to be pretty restrictive to females, however it isn't a simple issue as it's tied up in free choice, ethnicity, blahblahblah etc etc. My surname's Khan before anyone gets Daily Mail at me 😉

If I was trying to conceal a set of bombers, I'd probably go for a cape. They're all swooshy. And then I'd get "OWNED!" printed on the inside which would become visible at the point of ownership.

We need to spend less money on weapons and more on food and education. And capes.

Here's an idea. Why don't we dress our soldiers, indeed EVERYONE in burkas too? That way nobody has any clue what the hell is going on. You could be blowing up the enemy, your mum, the hen night off out on the lash etc.

I put a burka on over the weekend, I didn't feel suicidal in the slightest.

Herman Shake, surely you realise that wearing a cape is a receipe for disaster, they get caught up easily in machinery, are hard to conceal, none of the best Superheros wear a cape!

Much like dropper seatposts, adjustable capes are key to adaptable technique. They can be kept in the up position for daily life and lowered when things get gnarly!

If I was trying to conceal a set of bombers, I'd probably go for a cape. They're all swooshy.

You're thinking of the old victorian villains who always wore a long cape to conceal a large round black bomb with a long fuse and the word "bomb" very helpfully written across it, aren't you ?

They had a bit of class in them days.

I think we're all missing the bigger issue here, which is,

Does she still get 72 virgins / wives in paradise?

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If I was trying to conceal a set of bombers, I'd probably go for a cape. They're all swooshy. And then I'd get "OWNED!" printed on the inside which would become visible at the point of ownership.

If I were to become a suicide bomber I'd probably wear a nice pair of chinos. You can always trust a man in chinos.

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So we know that they dress like that because they want to.

Irony, presumably?

Irony, presumably?

No, why would it be irony ?

Edukator said : [i]"It happened in Afghanistan. We have no idea what muslim women in Saudi Arabia think about being forced to wear the burka or not being allowed to drive, Junkyard, they can't vote or express their views freely"[/i].

I responded with : [i]"Ah, I see. At least in Afghanistan they have democracy - we made certain of that. Bloody expensive in money and blood but worth it no doubt. So we know that they dress like that because they want to. The jury's still out on Saudi Arabia though"[/i]

So now it is back in its context - which you had taken it out of Woppit, I don't see why that suggests irony. Just the logical conclusion of Edukator's point.

ernie - well... SOME have choice in how they live their lives [url= http://www.uusc.org/blog/entry/1692/two_schoolgirls_blinded_acid_attack_afghanistan ]Some[/url] [url= http://www.newageislam.com/islam,-women-and-feminism/taliban-poisoning-girl-pupils-is-new-dilemma-for-afghan-parents/d/7575 ]certainly[/url] [url= http://www.rawa.org/women.php?skip=440 ]don't[/url]

nutjob crazy person blows themselves up. and you want to ban whatnow?

No atlaz, that was under the communists or the Taliban or something.

NATO has been in Afghanistan for over 10 years now sorting things out. Unlike Saudi Arabia they can "vote and express their views freely". In fact NATO has pretty much finished doing the job and will leaving soon.

Oh good. For a moment I thought **** all had changed for the majority of the population despite the number of dead on all sides