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richc - wrong on all counts but why let that stop you.
TJ, could you clarify the all counts, by answering these questions.
So you have owned a dog? If so when, what type and for how long.
You have been left to look after children on your own without any supervision? How old were you, how old was the the child and for how long
And you do have real legal training? if so where and when
And you have been to a court? again where, when, and for what
If you could humour me with answers, that would prove me wrong and I will apologise.
NB: Back to the point of the thread, the initial response seemed a bit aggressive, but if your children was scared the dog owners should have grabbed there dogs and put them on the lead.
he wont answer your questions.
far as i can tell, TJ is scared of dogs, has no experience of children, has no formal legal training and has only ever been to court as a defendant*
love that the OP bailled on his own thread on p.1 but even that cant deter the #STWdogfightfest.
*all IMO.
far as i can tell, TJ is scared of dogs
He doesn't like them and plays on the phobia card for effect, even though it does rob those with real phobias of something, it's like taking a walking stick on a bus to get a seat when there's nothing wrong with you, all a bit pathetic.
Don't forget either that not having personal experience is only OK to use when it is TJ doing the shooting down, it can not be used against him. Think about the consequences of such an action.
Who would win in a fight between Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris?
Ok
Family dog for about three years when I was a teenager
Some experiences with kids - both friends and professionally
Honousr degree level course in law at Stirling university - just a part of a degree and mainly looking at principles and assault / consent
Been in court as a witness and as a expert witness
All I ask is that ( like some dog owners here seem to understand) is that you keep your dog under control in public as you have a legal and moral obligation to do so. I don't ask that hey be on a lead at all times, nor that they are banned in towns. All I ask is simply that I can go about by daily life without being bothered by your dog.
Its not rocket science
*packs away rod and reel*
If that's true TJ, then I apologise.
Nae worries richc
Nowt wrong with that TJ.
Its not rocket science
We could turn it into rocket science though TJ. If we wanted. We could build a mahoosive gert big rocket, round up all the dogs in the country* Pied Piper stylee, and blast them all into orbit. I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't miss 'em.
* We could let the guide dogs off. Possibly.
However ........ from an earlier thread, I quote:
TandemJeremy - Member
.... snip ....
I have not owned a dog - I base my observations on my friends dogs and those I meet when out cycling. My pal has his dog trained immaculately and so do other people. You know - walk to heel, come on command, drop on caommand that sort of thing
... snip ....
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/mtb-hazards-dogs/page/2
Which makes this statement, less clear.
Family dog for about three years when I was a teenager
We could use a hot air balloon to get the dog powered rocket up high - plenty of hot air available here
It was really my grandparents dog tho in the same house - I didn't train it. tht was more than 30 years ago I had forgotton realy
All I ask is that ( like some dog owners here seem to understand) is that you keep your dog under control in public as you have a legal and moral obligation to do so. I don't ask that hey be on a lead at all times, nor that they are banned in towns. All I ask is simply that I can go about by daily life without being bothered by your dog.
We were almost there with a sensible closing post and an apology. And along came binners... 😯
So close guys. So close.
Well going back to the OP - I just really don't see how you can assert that if an animal, which isn't under control, is threatening my small child's safety, that I shouldn't be able to boot it into the middle of next week?
Seems perfectly reasonable to me
Well going back to the OP - I just really don't see how you can assert that if an animal, which isn't under control, is threatening my small child's safety, that I shouldn't be able to boot it into the middle of next week?Seems perfectly reasonable to me
Yep, if my dog did that and you booted it into next week you'd have my support.
Well going back to the OP - I just really don't see how you can assert that if an animal, which isn't under control, is threatening my small child's safety, that I shouldn't be able to boot it into the middle of next week?
If you're quoting the OP - the dog came up and had a 'sniff' - hardly threatened the child's safety.
hardly threatened the child's safety.
I don't know that though do I? It was bounding around, and the owners are apparently not bothered. Perhaps I should just do nothing, cross my fingers and just hope for the best eh?
Or alternatively, I could do what comes instinctively to a parent and protect my kids
For gods sake man! It could be a childs face next time!
* We could let the guide dogs off. Possibly.
Nah, they can go too:
[url= http://www.guidehorse.com/ ]shetland ponies for the blind[/url]
Nah, they can go too:
shetland ponies for the blind
O_O
Waaaaannnnnnt!
2undred.
Mabies some of the folk on here would be better spent properly training their dugs rather than spouting on about their right to let them run up to small children and terrify them, "It's alright mate he doesn't bite". But maybe you're right, instead of all the other things I could be teaching my kids I should be making sure they aren't afraid of slobbering beasts with big teeth that are at eye level with them. If it doesn't come back straight away when you shout on it, get it on a lead and keep it on it until it/you are properly trained.
TIGER6791 got it spot on.
Go on, give her a kiss...
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OK, but no tongues. Not on the first date anyways.
OK, but no tongues. Not on the first date anyways.
Calling her a slapper?
No, but she does look a bit ruff!
Sweetest thing you'd ever want to meet.
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Or alternatively, I could do what comes instinctively to a parent and protect my kids
Which as we know on STW, the most paramount right of all.
Just to be clear my dog doesnt run up to small children or even the bigger variety found on this thread. But i cant help thinking that if you live in the world and go out and about in the countryside it would be better to have some idea about how to act around dogs, cows, sheeps and any other potntially dangerous animal you might meet.
That's one big dog. If that's eye view I reckon it's about 30ft tall. Think I might be a tad nervous.
I tend to make sure I'm between the kids and any dogs when we are out...that way I have a better than average chance of not accidentally punting the Boy or the No-tail should th need arise due to owners being not arsed.
And kids seem (not unreasonably) to think that all dogs are twunts whether it's a yappy little tard of a Westy or a mental Collie that upsets them.
And the next owner of a mutt that tells me 'it's OK- he won't bite' will be told 'it's OK- I don't kick in the face.'
Not a bad idea at all a_a, but it isn't always easy to teach a small child these things. If they're inherently scared of large animals then what can you do? Beating the fear out of them would appear to be out of step with the thread 🙁
And if the people that have dogs can keep them under control or have them on a lead then that's one less thing to worry about.
Aa - do loads of people get savaged by sheep?
And kids seem (not unreasonably) to think that all dogs are twunts whether it's a yappy little tard of a Westy or a mental Collie that upsets them.
Is that all kids or just yours?
Aa - do loads of people get savaged by sheep?
I'd say not, no matter what a_a might fantasise about. Some people get stampeded by cattle though, through ignorance of how to deal with them when they approach you. That's the trouble with cattle, they haven't read the Human Rights Act TeeJ. It's flipping shocking isn't it?
And if the people that have dogs can keep them under control or have them on a lead then that's one less thing to worry about.
Yhat's not a problem as long as parents keep the kids away from the dogs too, it is and always has been a two way street. Fortunately I knew that mine was good with kids, but you'd be surprised how many parents would let their out of control kids come to play with the nice little doggy-woggy.
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Aa - do loads of people get savaged by sheep?
Nicely deflected TJ, if ever there is a threat of not being able to win one argument, change the argument. Classy.
But the OP was about a small child being scared by a dog that wasn't under control. Obviously I don't have a definitive answer, but I'd have thought there aren't as many cases of dogs being scared by kids. Unless you are talking animal cruelty whic is another matter altogether. Unless you are just trolling.
Richpenny, obviously its hard with kids but the adults could choose to try and behave like an adult, rather than come over all Rambo just because some dog is running about.
TJ i have had a ram attack me, can be very dangerous things funnily enough my dog saved me as i was on the floor getting a right hammering. Admittedly i was only about ten years old.
A ram? Not a tup giving you a dam good tupping? Bit of role reversal for the welsh?
I know i thought it was a vulnerable young sheep imagine my suprise
i was on the floor getting a right hammering.
Sorry, I LOLed. 😆
but I'd have thought there aren't as many cases of dogs being scared by kids.
Take another look at my dog, I'm talking about parents allowing their kids to come, possibly, too close to waht some people would consider a dangerous dog. Of course it's possible for a dog to be frightened by a child bearing down on it, or is it just a case of one rule for one?
There are irresponsible dog owners and irresponsible parents. Fortunately I am neither, not a troll either.
[quote=Some UK Dog Attack Figures ].....Each year, approximately 28,000 facial dog bites are reported in the UK, with just over 19,000 of them requiring plastic surgery.
The majority of these savage attacks on [b]children are by "the family pets"[b/]
How can I trust the owners "opinion" (and that's clearly all it is) when they say that their dog won't bite my kids ?
Plenty of other dog owners that I don't know probably thought the same about their family pet, right up to the point it bit their own kids.
I love dogs, but "don't worry, he won't bite" coming from a complete stranger, doesn't wash with me I'm afraid.
To add balace how many of those attacks were preceded by the child walking up to the dog and poking it in the eye.
I love dogs, but "don't worry, he won't bite" coming from a complete stranger, doesn't wash with me I'm afraid.
So what do you say to them if they say this to you?