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I really didn't want to post this, as it upset me so much the other day - but in light of TJ's comments I'm assuming he thinks the likes of this is ok?
If you're upset by cruelty to animals, I'd suggest not watching this.
Jes*s don't get me on about cats. Mine is pure nasty, screw loose tortiseshell physco. Rules the big bad scary dogs with an iron claw.
Why would yo assume that? a very strange concept. 🙄
Its an important difference when people try to claim a dog has an equal right to a human - it does not.
TJ you appear to be trying to put words into other peoples mouths, to justify your own opinions ........ again
Please bear in mind when arguing with TJ, he bases his facts on 'TJ Law' which is in no way related to the real world. Also he has never owned a dog, or been trusted to look after children, and has absolutely no legal training or experience other than from watching Eastenders and re-runs of the Bill on Dave.
So all in all, you need to be very careful when discussing things with him, as he drags discussions down to a moronic level, and then beats you with his lifetime of personal experience.
Don't great apes have rights in certain countries?
well i'm not watching that. no way,
Hartlepool?
well i'm not watching that. no way
Probably for the best. The point being, that if dogs don't have rights - then they should, to protect them from humans!
'TJ Law'
Sounds like a great TV series! Combination of TJ Hooker and LA Law!
Probably for the best. The point being, that if dogs don't have rights - then they should, to protect them from humans!
Too true, All animals should. and those right should be no different from our Human Rights
richc - wrong on all counts but why let that stop you. A make a personal attack because you cannot counter the point. Several people have claimed dogs have rights or are equivalent to humans.
if dogs don't have rights - then they should
Perhaps you could write them a constitution they could have enshrined in law? Will all the other animals have their own too? I'd hate to be the lawyer responsible for the hedgehogs one. Apparently they can be right arsey bastards. Proper militant, like!
Charlie - right to liberty? thats an end to dog owning then. No more animal farming. No more hunting.
Several people have claimed dogs have rights or are equivalent to humans.
I'd have to agree on this one TJ, as previously stated some dogs are more cleverer than some humans.
The five welfare needs
This means pet owners are now legally obliged to care for their pet properly - which most owners already do - by providing these five basic needs:•somewhere suitable to live
•a proper diet, including fresh water
•the ability to express normal behaviour
•for any need to be housed with, or apart from, other animals
•protection from, and treatment of, illness and injury.
Does this not mean that animals are afforded rights under the act?
Article 4.
•No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
I demand a fair wage for working dogs.
NOpe - they have needs and we have duties towards them.
Dogs do not need to be on a lead because a livestock sign is up, that sign could of been there months and even if there was livestock in the field as long as they're a respectible distance and not chasing or playing amonst them then no harm done.
No but it makes perfect sense for them to be on a lead. so they don't chase or play amongst life stock. All it takes is a rabbit and a dog will be off. A heard of cattle that is spooked by a dog is very dangerous.
Not to mention respect for others. If your on land thats not yours then you should be respectful.
People, TJ is right on this one.
Dogs do not have rights.
Humans have a legal obligation to them for many items, but that does not mean they have rights. Stop mixing your drinks.
And whoever it was who posted the video of animal cruelty suggesting that TJ thought that sort of thing was acceptable - grow up.
Surely the only right an animal has is the one about me not cooking them and eating them?
And lets face it, that only applies to certain more photogenic animals. In fact, if I was hungry enough, it wouldn't apply to any of them
And whoever it was who posted the video of animal cruelty suggesting that TJ thought that sort of thing was acceptable - grow up.
Really - I thought it was perfectly mature the people suggesting to kick a dog... 🙄
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Does this not mean that animals are afforded rights under the act?
Not really the owner has a duty of care.
Do great apes have rights?
Right what?
Right to a cup of tea?
Right said fred?
Right-wing agenda?
Right to party?
Right to roam, Scotty dogs only....
right to their own opinion, unless they're on this forum.
Right to bear arms?
righteous indignation, especially if they're on this forum.
Charlie - right to liberty? thats an end to dog owning then. No more animal farming. No more hunting.
Sure, they can have a right to liberty. It does end 'ownership' but I don't 'own' my children and they have human rights and they live with me. So the same could be extended to dogs, cat's already have the right to liberty obviously, so no change needed there. No more hunting is a given, no problems there. Of course, this works in the same way Human rights work. Like rats and mice, if they break certain laws, rules, codes of practice, H&S regulations. Then they have some of those 'rights' revoked, like humans do and then if they repeat offend then they get executed, like in some States. And no more farming too. We shouldn't really be eating animals and making them subservient to us. Well, except for the tasty ones, like cows and pigs, and chicken wings. Ooh! and venison, so deer have fewer rights too. But all the other ones can have rights, not just based on 'prettiness' or cuteness. Of course turkeys and gooses too, especially at this time of year, they have fewer rights. It's not too difficult. I'm sure we can work it out. We can set up a series of guidelines with a caveat that if Jamie or Hugh come up with a decent recipe, then certain animals' rights are re-assessed. Not Heston or that bloke who does the survival stuff though, 'cos the is dirty bastards who'll eat anything at that kind of undermines the high-minded principles on which the idea of individual animal rights are predicated.
Very good charlie.
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I remember when I was about 6 or 7 I was playing in the garden while my dad was doing some work. Some guy was walking by with his dog which caught sight of me. It came bounding up barking it's head off and started trying to nip at my heels.
I was pretty much frozen solid until my dad came over with a shovel and took a ****ing good swing at the thing. The dog was smart enough to run behind it's owner who was running up our garden. The guy was going mental saying "He was only playing, he wasn't going to hurt him!" and all that usual jazz.
So, Dog Owners (or rather Dog Owners Who Are ****s), how do parents tell when a dog that is scaring your kid is just playing and when it is going to bite his face off?
I remember when I was about 6 or 7 I was playing in the garden while my dad was doing some work. Some guy was walking by with his dog which caught sight of me. It came bounding up barking it's head off and started trying to nip at my heels.
I was pretty much frozen solid until my dad came over with a shovel and took a * good swing at the thing. The dog was smart enough to run behind it's owner who was running up our garden. The guy was going mental saying "He was only playing, he wasn't going to hurt him!" and all that usual jazz.So, Dog Owners (or rather Dog Owners Who Are
*), how do parents tell when a dog that is scaring your kid is just playing and when it is going to bite his face off?
It's all in the body language.
If a dog comes legging it over to a small child, barking, then IMHO you're perfectly within your rights to hoof it into the middle distance.
I don't know whether that constitutes contravening the rights some people want to give them, or not? I suppose we'll just have to wait for the European Court of Human Rights to rule on that one
If a dog comes legging it over to a small child, barking, then IMHO you're perfectly within your rights to hoof it into the middle distance.
*sigh*
binners in unusual display of keyboard warriorship shocka. Obviously frustrated over exit from CL.
*is disappointed*
My dog is as soft as butter, he's lovely, dopey and wouldn't hurt any child. He's well trained and will come on call.
Here's a photo to give you the idea of how soft he is.
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[b]But![/b] he's also quite big dog (large lab) has very big teeth (grrrr) and looks quite scary. (especially if you're sub three ft tall)
He looks just like other dogs and not all dogs are well trained and well looked after.
For that reason in a public place where people don't universally love dogs or when children are about he stays on a lead.
Simple rule: The feelings of other people come first and if I think that there's a chance somebody will be intimated by him (even though I know he's lovely) he stays on the lead.
Also if a dog came into my garden and started nipping at my kids a shovel would be deployed in the direction of the dog.
Also that Jeremy chap is correct Dogs don't have rights and Kids come first.
binners in unusual display of keyboard warriorship shocka. Obviously frustrated over exit from CL.*is disappointed*
You mean like this:
Actually I've got the painters in Bravisimo. And its Monday. And its cold and rainy. I'm howling against the injustice of it all. Railling aginst the world.
So... when you look at it like that, Its actually quite restrained
Actually I've got the painters in
S****s