Having watched some of the highlowlights from that shitshow the only person I fancied on that stage was Sophie Raworth.
binners
Full MemberThey’re really convincing in pretending they give a flying **** about places like Stoke. I bet neither of them knew where it was until their ministerial cars dropped them there.
In Sunak's world, the border between England and the Frozen North is somewhere south of darlington. More experimentation is needed to find out exactly where Sunak's Wall lies
Sunak will **** off to the good old US of A if he doesn't get the top job.
Thats how much he gives a shit about being an "MP"
Why does Truss keep banging on about her terrible education. I grew up in Leeds at the same time as her (I'm a couple of years older) and as far as I was aware her school was pretty good, much betterer than mine and some of the others in the area. I suppose when everyone around you at work went to Eton, Harrow and Winchester any normal education will seem crap in comparison
I've just messaged one of my mates from Uni who was at the school the same time as her to see what he feels about her slagging off the school. He hasn't answered yet as he's now the CFO of some massive company in NZ. He grew up with a father dying of MS and he's done alright plus she got into Oxford from there it couldn't have been that bad. Now if she gone to Parklands she'd have a point.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/liz-truss-roundhay-school-leeds-b2128647.html
The school she went to is just round the corner from where I used to live in Leeds. It has an 'outstanding' rating from Ofstead. Who does she think she's kidding?
The Guardian had an article from someone who was a couple of years after her. Needless to say he didnt agree with her view.
China absolutely loves getting slagged off by ministers on tv. It'll go down well.
devash
Free MemberThe school she went to is just round the corner from where I used to live in Leeds. It has an ‘outstanding’ rating from Ofstead. Who does she think she’s kidding?
She's also said that her experience at that school is what inspired her to join the tories. Which implies that she had to go back in her 20s to resit her maths exam or something, because of course she was a lib dem til 96, and certainly doesn't explain why her experience in an underinvested-in school under successive Tory governments inspired her to be a Tory.
With Johnson, you know he lies because he just doesn't care about truth or fiction, he's a sociopath. Even a dishonest person will tell the truth more often than not just because it's easier than thinking up a lie, but Johnson likes the noise the truth makes when you throw it against the wall and he likes it even more when there's no reason to do it
But Truss? Is it lies? Is it self deception? Is it deep, deep stupidity? Has she genuinely forgotten her own past? I don't even have an opinion yet. A lot of the time she just seems really messed up- she reminds me sometimes of concussion patients, or of a guy I knew who'd left an important part of his mind behind on the Sir Galahad. All that Thatcher cosplay and just occasionally she manages to be quite convincing, except it's post-strokes dementia Thatcher.
One huge issue will be the Tory faithful rhythmically stroking to a photo of her
Sunak isn't great, but Truss really is a blithering idiot, absolute pound chop thatcher. I fear for our safety if this idiot gets put in charge! 😆
I close my eyes and listen to Rishi and hear Tony Blair.
Anyone got any photos of him when he has his "friends" in the shot with him? It's spooking me out a touch
Ah Truss is absolutely nothing like my beloved Maggie, who had principles and really thought she was doing the best for the country.
Unnlike Truss who will do anything to get that job regardless of the good of the country.
she got into Oxford from there it couldn’t have been that bad
I saw some analysis many years ago, which suggested that when state schools have getting pupils into oxbridge as an aim, the focus on the chosen few "special ones" is to the detriment of the main student body.
Her reason for the claim is just to pretend she understands what the mass experience is like, however it is much more probable that she was given assistance and opportunity denied to most even though she attended a state school.
Most successful people are creations of enhanced opportunity and a big chunk of luck, "self made" is largely a myth. Unfortunately most successful people also believe their own mythology and have a platform to promote it.
Imo Thatcher was deluded and is the direct cause on many of the counties current issues. Truss will have similar rhetoric, short term gains for long term woes.
Rishi just wants to sit on his hands, wait and see and have reactive policy's.
On the subject of schools, I went to private school (not Winchester), but it was shockingly bad educational institution. The facilities were amazing, but a large proportion of the teachers were absolutely terrible. It closed two years after I left.
Imo Thatcher was deluded and is the direct cause on many of the counties current issues. Truss will have similar rhetoric, short term gains for long term woes.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1551666286668795904?s=20&t=9PG8X63CSdES-1pqfnPemg
They were both mostly talking utter garbage but I must say I did smirk with Rishi interrupting her all the time causing her to pull faces, it was like it's the first time she's actually been challenged rather than being surrounded by sycophants. Not sure she'd be up to much at PMQ's...
Also the opening sequence was bizarre, like that Twitter post linked to earlier - I thought they were cardboard cut-outs and then as the camera panned in they looked a bit 3D so I figured they'd raided Madame Thussauds, then Rishi's arm seemed to glitch so I was thinking wtf, the Beeb has got some holograms done for this crap? And then they moved. That was still the highlight of the show though.
China absolutely loves getting slagged off by ministers on tv. It’ll go down well.
I doubt they're that interested to be honest. The UK hasn't got the clout to make anyone do much more than laugh any more in any case.
Theres a good person to watch on Youtube called ‘A Different Bias’ who was talking about Truss today (or maybe yesterday).
He's very good, and even if you don't like his politics you'll find it difficult to disagree with the majority of his analysis of the Tories & their actions.
IMO they've both been shoehorned into this position, how else did political nobody Sunak get to take over one of the safest seats in the Country? Both will be controlled, Sunak to a lessor degree as he is very right wing already (ticks all boxes except Christian Fundamentalist) and Truss is really only there because she was deemed more malleable to Mordaunt/Badenoch etc.
But hey, folk voted for this sh1tshow - hope you're all happy with yourselves?
My kids go to Liz Truss' ex school. It's great 👍. I've also read the articles linked above.
Even before all this, the school were wise.enough never to crow about having her as an ex pupil! All very hushed!
Anyway, she's a ****, isn't she?
As an Scottish independence supporter, either will do nicely thanks. I mean; Boris was the gift that kept on giving, but those two? Christ!
Liz used the term 'Project Fear' a few times, didn't she?
Which seems to have somehow become the defence of choice to defend fantasy economics and shut down any perfectly reasonable points made about none of the sums adding up.
I'm sure this particular electorate will have lapped it up, no doubt presently blaming 'the Bloody French!' for all the present problems with Kent having become a lorry par - that being that pesky 'Project Fear' again, after all.
Also the opening sequence was bizarre,
It was like a Monty Python game show sketch, I had to turn it off immediately.
I too feel that Truss would do ANYTHING if she felt it might further her own personal gain, politically and financially. I don't get the feeling she has a clear personal vision or moral compass that is expressed in clear policy.
Sunak has some intelligence, and I do feel he has a vision and some policies. I think I'm going to disagree with his policies, and I worry he has people in the background hugely influencing him.
It is a strange world when I look back at previous Conservative leaders, MP's and PM's and think 'they would do a much better job'...
But hey, folk voted for this sh1tshow – hope you’re all happy with yourselves?
Cannot be over-emphasised.
We didn't suffer a coup d'etat, we weren't invaded, we weren't manipulated (very much) by external powers.
On 23rd June 2016 we effectively voted for this farce.
Saw about 5 seconds of it, she seems to be doing Thatcher and he's doing Blair, hand movements the lot (like Cameron) in contrast with Johnson's Churchill. At least they seem to understand themselves to be vacuous hence needing to borrow a predecessor's identity. I can't imagine she would've had an easy time of it with her background at Merton College and yet she slags off her school perhaps to show how clever she is in spite of them. Both of them lacking confidence in themselves and feeling the need to conceal and re-engineer their backgrounds as well as their current identities doesn't bode well.
On 23rd June 2016 we effectively voted for this farce.
and
8 June 2017
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12 December 2019
and probably
24 January 2025
Add 18th September 2014 for some of us too.
Hey,
The suming up for me was how Truss and her political team managed to get the discussion around her earrings as if to appeal to the poor and going to Claire to buy them, as if it was by accident and wasn't staged to undermine RichTea and the fact that he doesn't know how to use contactless payments 😉 It's all grollocks and manipulation and it's not like we are the 0.2% of the population/grey rinsers, that will be voting for either.
Loved the way trussless even dressed up as milk snatcher with shoulder pads and blue dress to appeal. Shallow and pathetic to be honest and worst still they will be governing us for the next 2 years ;-(
JeZ
Truss's statements about Roundhay School and the surrounding area just show how wrong she is. The school skews house prices upwards in the catchment area and I know several people who moved at considerable expense to get their kids in there. She described Leeds North East as a Red Wall seat, despite it having only been held by Labour since 1997. It was held by the Tories when she was living there (Keith Joseph, that well-known socialist, was MP from 1956 to 1987!).
China absolutely loves getting slagged off by ministers on tv. It’ll go down well.
The current Foreign Secretary, no less. The whole lot of them are a complete liability and we are a global laughing stock.
I can’t imagine she would’ve had an easy time of it with her background at Merton College
She was at school and lived in Roundhay - it wasn't the poor grim North then, nor now.
When we moved to Leeds in the late 80's we couldn't afford to live there (3-bed semi), even on 2 decent wages - so bought in South Leeds instead.
it’s not like we are the 0.2% of the population/grey rinsers, that will be voting for either.
Judging by the conservative party member 'grey rinsers' that I've spoken to this am about the debate last night, Truss is an absolute shoe in after last night.
All couldn't stand Rishi's constant interruptions and shouting jibes, and it seems just ignored everything he said or turned it off after the first 5mins.
One specifically wanted Truss in because of the potential short term financial gains would be the only way that would help win another 4 Tory years in 2025 - he said he'd would literally vote for anyone/anything/any policy that would retain a Tory government and be damned with the long term consequences.
Its interesting & depressing living in an area with both extreme poverty and extreme wealth.
Having sat through the entire thing last night I thought Rishi was just playing politician whilst he thinks of something better to do but Liz Truss, wow. It's like someone crossed Mr Bean with Jim Hacker and put the results in a knock-off Thatcher clone. The prospect of her running the country - let that sink in - RUNNING THE COUNTRY!! Well that's just completely terrifying. There really should be an entrance exam for politics.
I couldn't really concentrate on what was being said as I was trying to decide if Truss's face pulling was channelling Kerry Mucklowe, Vicky Pollard or Daisy Haggard in Episodes.
Not a good look in a Stateswoman.
Keith Joseph, that well-known socialist, was MP from 1956 to 1987!
To be fair, compared to the current batch, he's practically a communist.
Slagging off your old school, when it was clearly a decent place that was good enough to coach for a place at Oxford is nonsense. Can't she just say she had a decent middle class upbringing and worked hard? Sunak is clearly intelligent, but Truss has ambition. You don't change your principles like that otherwise.
Can’t she just say she had a decent middle class upbringing and worked hard?
This was exactly what she was saying when she was after being nominated as a Tory candidate all those years ago, now that she's pitching at the membership she's re-written things as when the well-healed, retired citizens of Surrey hear 'comprehensive in Leeds' they're probably picturing an episode of Shameless, not a pleasant leafy suburb with 'outstanding' schools. So they then think she 'pulled herself up by her bootstraps, when she did nothing of the sort
She's just another Johnson. A shameless opportunist who'll tell one group what they want to hear then walk out of the room and tell another group the polar opposite
Truss is obviously going to be the next PM. The labour party must be pissing themselves. She's going to be the tory Corbyn. She thinks she can be the new Johnson having no principles or beliefs and telling people what they want to hear. The trouble is she doesn't have Johnson's talent for winging it and using his personality to deflect criticism. Johnson's craven incompetence combined with Corbyn's aloofness and lack of charm. She's going to be universally hated by christmas. I doubt she'll even get to the next election.
I doubt she’ll even get to the next election
No wonder Johnson is salivating at the thought that the party may turn back to him at some point.
I was trying to decide if Truss’s face pulling was channelling Kerry Mucklowe, Vicky Pollard or Daisy Haggard in Episodes.
Can't unsee this now.
My son started kicking a ball around and playing in the pool with a couple of Dutch kids on our recent hollibobs.
The Dutch kids (and one of the mums) could speak pretty much perfect English (ages 10-11 in the case of the kids).
The mum of one of them was a single mum, doing great - she had taken the opportunity earlier in life to live in Greece for a year, so she also had conversational Greek in her locker.
We had the usual grownups thrown together with each other because the kids got along on holiday chats for a couple of evenings - the topic of UK politics only came up the once. All the mum could do was express her condolences about the political state of the UK and we quickly changed the subject. She gave the impression that UK politics on Dutch TV news was now the bit at the end where it is a cat wearing socks one day, a crisp the shape of Belgium the next and UK politics when they really needed a bit of absurdist light relief on the third day.
Sad times.
The problem with 'absurdist light relief' is that Johnson's Jolly Japes concealed the really nasty upward redistribution, increasing poverty and trashing of public services.
I couldn’t really concentrate on what was being said as I was trying to decide if Truss’s face pulling was channelling Kerry Mucklowe, Vicky Pollard or Daisy Haggard in Episodes.
Not a good look in a Stateswoman.
Even worse when you realise that the facial contortions are due to the sheer effort of having to think a bit.
Chaos with Ed Milliband anyone?
The problem with ‘absurdist light relief’ is that Johnson’s Jolly Japes concealed the really nasty upward redistribution, increasing poverty and trashing of public services.
It is absurdist light relief if you don't have to live under it - they don't, so they can just point and laugh and give thanks that they haven't been stupid enough to end up in the same situation themselves.
<shrugs>
@super12 I went to the Netherlands for work just after the vote. Someone mentioned it and I kicked off in a 15 minute diatribe. They were a bit taken aback...
So, there’s another televised debate tonight
Another one I won’t be watching a I know it’ll just wind me up and at the end of the day none of us have a dog in this fight
I’m finding it incredibly annoying that this is receiving all this media coverage (well it is who gets to be PM after all), yet with a prime time TV debate tonight, the only viewers that matter are those 160,000 Tory party members. The rest of us are completely irrelevant.
Its just emphasising, as if it needed to, how farcical and completely undemocratic this whole charade is
I've not been watching them, mainly because I'm not the target audience and I know I'd just end up with boiled piss.
But I think it's a good thing that we get to see televised intellectual scrapping between the two "Best available Tory MPs" it might just help put the wider public off the party all together, at least for a bit.
I'm not even sure why they're dragging this out for so long anymore, Liz is going to win. The public debates and electioneering are just damaging to the Tories, and it's not like the 1922 committee can't simply chop and change the rules. Is it really so Bozza and Carrie can have their Chequers do?
it’s not like we are the 0.2% of the population/grey rinsers, that will be voting for either.
I think that a point that the other parties need to hit hard with at election time, the democracy of the 0.2 deciding who will reign isn't in the 'spirit' of taking back control 🙂
@super12 I went to the Netherlands for work just after the vote. Someone mentioned it and I kicked off in a 15 minute diatribe. They were a bit taken aback…
I haven't got the energy or inclination to try to explain the stupidity of the UK electorate or get angry - a sheepish shrug and an apology (don't know why I'm apologising, I didn't vote for this nonsense) is all I can manage.
The Dutch had an episode with Geert Wilders gaining some traction, but the electorate as a whole wasn't stupid enough to fall for it. We were. Not sure there's much more to say.
<Shrugs>
I think that a point that the other parties need to hit hard with at election time,
Aside from the same applies to the other parties. If you dont want that then the only real solution would be switching to a presidential model which I dont think anyone is too keen on.
In Sunak’s world, the border between England and the Frozen North is somewhere south of darlington. More experimentation is needed to find out exactly where Sunak’s Wall lies
Anyone else in the BBC North area really pissed off by the way they talk about Sunak as though he was a local lad, just because he represents the very safe seat of Richmond? Or by the way he pretends that Teesside is in his back yard? Or the way he says Tee-side ?
@super12 I went to the Netherlands for work just after the vote. Someone mentioned it and I kicked off in a 15 minute diatribe. They were a bit taken aback…
When we had the same in Belgium, (the locals having good enough English to basically take the piss) we just told them we were Australian. 😁
Aside from the same applies to the other parties.
Not really, the other parties always give their appointed leader a full term. The tories have now changed their leader mid-term 3 times in succession. Labour should be going hard on the message that whoever the tories put up as leader, will not be the PM people voted for in the long term. Vote Truss/Sunak, get someone else.
Anyone else in the BBC North area really pissed off by the way they talk about Sunak as though he was a local lad
Surely Truss is worse? Talks about her upbringing in Yaaaarkshire as if she was raised by wolves on a sink estate, instead of the nice leafy, middle class suburb she actually grew up in, then I doubt she ever returned north once she headed to Westminster via Oxford, apart from the odd opportunistic photoshoot
Liz Truss is going to be our next Prime Minister.
Let's all just reflect on that for a moment.
Well done to the 52%.
It's a necessary evil, I think. People need to see what passes for leadership in the modern Tory party. Johnson papered over the cracks for many with his superficial bonhomie and bluster, so much so that he still has plenty of support.
This new creature has none of those 'qualities', can hardly string a sentence together. Lavrov might be pure evil, but he has been around the block with world leaders a few times and had her number pretty quickly.
Meanwhile the entire civil service is being left to its own devices (probably better off TBH) whilst ministers go off to lend their hands to their mates' election campaigns, then go off on recess.
Or the way he says Tee-side ?
It is more revealing if he can pronounce Newcastle correctly....
Newcarsal... obvs
Or if your me... Nucasal
Pieface
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Meanwhile the entire civil service is being left to its own devices (probably better off TBH) whilst ministers go off to lend their hands to their mates’ election campaigns, then go off on recess.
it does seem insane, fuel bills set to rise by >£2k a year per family come the autumn and government is consumed by Tory party leadership circle-jerk
It is absurdist light relief if you don’t have to live under it – they don’t, so they can just point and laugh and give thanks that they haven’t been stupid enough to end up in the same situation themselves.
I used to enjoy watching the running commentary on the BBC regarding Berlusconi's bunga bunga parties and other shenanigans - whilst thinking i'm glad it wasn't our taxes paying for this..
The rest of Europe are now doing the same.
Liz Truss is going to be our next Prime Minister.
Let’s all just reflect on that for a moment.
Well done to the 52%.
Indeed, we got an incompetent lying sociopath and now we have a nincompoop. No wonder there's no leadership in this country.
The members favour Truss by a fair margin
Its more or less neck & neck with the wider voters
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551886447724138499
I still cant quite believe they will put Truss in, surely they appreciate that the liklihood of Truss ballsing up is far higher than Sunak?
It would be great news for Labour, but I still cant quite believe it
I haven’t got the energy or inclination to try to explain the stupidity of the UK electorate or get angry – a sheepish shrug and an apology (don’t know why I’m apologising, I didn’t vote for this nonsense) is all I can manage.
We do quite a bit of work with an Engineering lab based in Delft University - I travelled there just before lock-down whilst the 'deal' negotiations were going on. We got talking about it all over lunch and all the Dutch guys were just bewildered by the whole thing.
There bewilderment was well placed though, as now if we want to send anything to them for testing (temporary export) they have to get someone from the Delft chamber of commerce to sign the paperwork to confirm its a temporary import.
Goods are often stuck in Rotterdam docks for a week or more whilst the paperwork fiasco is resolved.
Pre-Brexit we'd stick it on a lorry at lunchtime in Essex, and they'd be unloading in Delft mid-morning the following day.
I still cant quite believe they will put Truss in, surely they appreciate that the liklihood of Truss ballsing up is far higher than Sunak?
It's almost if there is some underlying reason why a chunk of the membership is so unwilling to vote for him that they would rather elect a complete moron.
Not really, the other parties always give their appointed leader a full term
I am not sure how you can make that call for the libdems and Blair, of course, went before he was pushed (plus also to dodge the mess he had caused and retire undefeated so to speak).
As an attack line it isnt an overly great one.
it does seem insane, fuel bills set to rise by >£2k a year per family come the autumn and government is consumed by Tory party leadership circle-jerk
It matters. How else could Truss ever access the world of £800 per roll wallpaper or £150k treehouses?
I used to enjoy watching the running commentary on the BBC regarding Berlusconi’s bunga bunga parties and other shenanigans – whilst thinking i’m glad it wasn’t our taxes paying for this..
The rest of Europe are now doing the same.
Yep - they're just filing us under 'pending' until we get some grownups in charge. We may be in that folder for some time.
that they would rather elect a complete moron.
The tory voters have adored her for several years now. Regularly came out top in the conservative home surveys for all tory ministers.
So I dont think it does need some "underlying reason" why he is coming second.
I can only assume that they see her thatcher tribute band either as convincing or just like dreaming of the real thing so much they are willing to put up with a dodgy covers attempt
On an amusing note - out of 215 tracks, my playlist just pulled out Duelling Banjos.
That's us - an insular little backwater - or bayou to give it its proper term.
surely they appreciate that the liklihood of Truss ballsing up is far higher than Sunak?
As I said this morning, straight from the horse's mouth of some conservative party members who are fully aware that she'll balls everything up in the longer term, but they don't care - it's all about the next general election and who's most likely to win it. They see that she's pitching for providing some short term economic boosts that might, just might, be enough to regain some public trust before the next election. Sod the longer term, sod the future economic and social impacts, it's all about retaining power.
Its absurd that she's using the highest taxes for 70 years gambit, when they both voted in favour of all tax rises.
The tory voters have adored her for several years now. Regularly came out top in the conservative home surveys for all tory ministers.
So I dont think it does need some “underlying reason” why he is coming second.
I can only assume that they see her thatcher tribute band either as convincing or just like dreaming of the real thing so much they are willing to put up with a dodgy covers attempt
Her popularity des seem inexplicable, but the membership cant be completely stupid, they must be aware of how she is perceicved outside the party & the clock is ticking on the next GE
On the plus side, the more it looks like Sunak is going to lose, the more likely it is that either His team or one of teh MPs that supports him & sees how looney Truss is will start leaking the scandals to the press.
Im sure Cummings is poised too
So hopefully Sunak does even worse in tonighst debate
Its absurd [s]that she’s using the highest taxes for 70 years gambit, when they both voted in favour of all tax rises.[/s]
Yes. Yes our government is absurd.
absurd
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adjective
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.
Dirty Digger on the Phone to producers "get this car crash off my channel"
Been called off 😀 the relief in the tory party is palpable!
On the plus side, the more it looks like Sunak is going to lose, the more likely it is that either His team or one of teh MPs that supports him & sees how looney Truss is will start leaking the scandals to the press.Im sure Cummings is poised too
So hopefully Sunak does even worse in tonighst debate
What scandals? AFAIK Liz Truss is dumb as a box of hair, but fairly boring too.
Wasn't Truss on the naughty list that's often circulated as yet another senior female Tory who fell for Kwasi Kwarteng's charm?
😀 Funny if true
finbar - check out the turnip taliban.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1551664688840179716?t=KUBBIUbLqsSXFC8Gbh_w6g&s=19
Old information relevant today.
The National debt doesn't really ever get paid back.
Sunak now promising to cut VAT on fuel bills. super U-turn.
What did I tell you - they will do what is necessary at the last minute.
There are no such things as unfunded tax cuts just political choices.