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What happens now? Surely nobodies gonna get in bed with the blues and form another coalition. Are we all doomed?
Less doomed than we were yesterday.
They'll get into bed if parliament is well hung
Will be interesting. I'm hoping for a Labour snp lib dems progressive coalition... probably wishful thinking though. Would be ace to see our Jez at the helm!
one hopes she wont be hanging in there.. Shortest stint by a pm possibly
Hard to see weak and wobbly retaining her job with this display of blundering arrogant incompetence
If the conservatives can squeak over the line with 316 seats, which looks possible, then a coalition with the DUP is just enough to run a government.
Labour cannot realistically form a coalition, they'd need every other party to back them.
Ironically, a situation in which FPTP has arguably given us a weaker government than a PR system would have done!
TM has option to form a government unless she is knifed, tories have a crack and see if they can pass a bill/queens speech.
That fails Labour has a go.
All that fails unpack the posters
312, we're passed it. 🙁pleaderwilliams - Member
If the conservatives can squeak over the line with 316 seats, which looks possible, then a coalition with the DUP is just enough to run a government.
Tories are on 314 with 3 very blue Cornish constituencies left to declare, so will that be a con/DUP coalition (of chaos?)?
Boris Johnson!
F#@* off!
Hahaha! Wouldn't bet against it happening!!
How do the DUP feel about brexit?
pro brexit, pro insularism, to extreme levels..
Oh .
on any normal day a hung parliament with deals having to be done to run the country and votes passed would be a bad thing. Another election (which costs??) before the year is out.
But when the alternative was a [s]100-150[/s] [s]75-100[/s] [s]50-75[/s] overwhelming mandate for May and her henchmen to do what the hell they wanted - I'm pretty bloody pleased TBH.
I did say a few weeks back that the UKIP vote would collapse and that I wasn't sure the traditional working class 'white van man' UKIP'er would be able to hold his nose long enough to vote Tory....
At least next time round we might get an election fought on manifestos and policies rather than the personality (or otherwise) and dragging up of pictures from 30 years ago. I'll pay my share of the £10 million or whatever it is if that's the case.
And to the young people who it seems have finally been energised to get out and vote after the Brexit shock. Good on you, it does make a difference. But it doesn't end here..... stay interested and stay involved, it's your future that's at stake, not your Grandparents'.
Hung Parliament....do we get any say in the order of the hangings?
I did say a few weeks back that the UKIP vote would collapse and that I wasn't sure the traditional working class 'white van man' UKIP'er would be able to hold his nose long enough to vote Tory....
Labour won in Dudley North by 22 seats over the Tories. But over 2,000 people still voted for UKIP 😕 Mind you, the same happened in Richmond, a 40 vote win for Zac '[i]Sadiq Khan's a terrorist[/i]' Goldsmith over the Lib Dems, but Labour still got a few thousand votes where they had no chance of winning.
pro brexit, pro insularism, to extreme levels..
That'll go down really well with Sinn Féin....
Just a reminder the nutters are still about,
It's not all bad, Nige says he might have to come back to keep Brexit on course apparently... Yay!
What we want is a referendum to decide whether to have another election because this one didn't work properly.
What we want is a referendum to decide whether to have another election because this one didn't work properly.
IMO there will be another general election in the near future, I can't see this parliament lasting 1 year let alone 5.
and those few thousand presumably are kickng themselves today. Some people don't seem to get it - at allthe same happened in Richmond, a 40 vote win for Zac 'Sadiq Khan's a terrorist' Goldsmith over the Lib Dems, but Labour still got a few thousand votes where they had no chance of winning
Well, all I can say is hooray for fixed term parliaments. The good thing about having them enshrined in law is that you can't call an election on a whim, makes sense to me.
Minority government, with DUP giving the Tories enough votes to pass laws. Possibly another election (!) within the year
and those few thousand presumably are kickng themselves today. Some people don't seem to get it - at all
Looks like the tories would have been able to get a majority with the DUP without that seat, so it may not matter. And if every UKIP vote had gone to the Tories it would be very different.
I was stood within a few feet of our [url= https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/controversial-blogposts-tory-party-candidate-absolutely-shocking ]particularly horrific Tory candidate[/url] when he realised that he wasn't going to take the Labour seat. Made my night.
Our (local Green Party) candidate nomination, under the short emergency selection rules, is valid until the end of the year. I think we've already decided to reselect under the normal rules, in case there's another election soon.
Whatever happens next I wake up this morning with a huge sense of relief. I'm probably going to look like a naive fool in a few months but this does seem like the most astonishing from-near-death-comeback for integrity and a humane approach to politics. Well done JC, Diane Abbott et al for weathering the absolutely debilitating sh**storm of hatred to stick by your beliefs and retain enough self confidence to make this happen.
I'm not sure Diane Abbott deserves a 'well done' she was lazy, complacent and failed to prepare properly for prime-time media interviews. she was an embarrassment to the party. Corbyn needs to do the right thing and replace her permanently.
Another election (which costs??) before the year is out.
In the noise compared to the 10s of Billions Brexit will cost the UK.
Freudian slip from Andrew Neil just now: "she doesn't have a mandate for Breakfast"...
I'm not sure Diane Abbott deserves a 'well done' she was lazy, complacent and failed to prepare properly for prime-time media interviews. she was an embarrassment to the party. Corbyn needs to do the right thing and replace her permanently.
With her 35000 majority, Cambridge degree and being the first black female MP.
You need to [url= https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/ ]read this[/url].
Exactly miketually. If anyone has ever suffered stress or anxiety then they would sympathise with DA. I can't pretend I was always her greatest fan but the more I learn about her the greater my respect for her becomes.
Miketually,
I know all of that but it doesn't stop DA coming over as patronising, smug and complacent.
Before I get accused of being one of the swivel eye loons I voted labour.
I found the Jack Monroe article persuasive: I can't warm to Abbott on a personal level but there's little doubt that she's a achieved a great deal in her life, in the face of unremitting hostility.
Agreed, there are some people who face so much shit on a daily basis that I can't help but support them even though I don't actually agree with them in detail. Applies also to some colleagues/acquaintances in my area of work which has a bit of a public profile. She is a bit crap though!
Been announced that a deal has been done with the DUP. Not surprising really.
She is a bit crap though!
Do you think she has been crap over the last 40 years or just recently?
I've never been hugely impressed but she does seem to have got rather worse recently. Whether that's temporary illness/stress or just being out of depth in a challenging role...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/diane-abbott-i-sent-my-son-to-private-230293
BR But couldn’t you see why there was anger? People on the left thought ‘we’re not surprised that Blair and Harman did it [sends kids to private school]but we don’t understand why Diane Abbott did it because she’s one of us’?DA Yes, but they didn’t understand me. I’m a West Indian mum and West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children.
It’s that kind of atavistic streak that we have. I can see them in the market on a Saturday morning. A kind of ‘touch my children and we’ll turn quite difficult’.
Interestingly, until now, it’s the one thing that’s got me the most positive response from black women locally. They would come up to me and shake my hand. Because ultimately in their eyes it’s about doing the right thing for their children. But obviously people from other cultures didn’t see it that way at all.
BR I’m guessing those black women couldn’t afford to do what you did yet you’re saying they shook your hand?
DA Exactly. Yes. That’s what you and some of my colleagues on the Left would never understand. In the end you’re coming from a culture where whatever you can do for your children you do.
she undoubtedly gets criticism for her race and her gender but she is a prize hypocrite. If i tried to explain to her that she did not understand my decision because she came from a different culture she would do more than call me a hypocrite [ and rightly so
She is bright, she is articulate, she has faced down racists and hate filled arseholes but she is still a hypocrite who said one thing and did another
I do believe she was /is ill and I wish her well in her recovery but I would struggle to vote for her as my local MP as I like people who stand by their principles.
Paul Nuttall currently preaching fantasy-land drivel about the continuing role of UKIP.
You're number's up, pal. Kindly do one.
Not surprising about the Ulster Unionist as it once was the Conservative and unionist party, but good time to be a Ulster Unionist i think , they could demand anything this week and likely get it...
As long as the SNP don't have any deciding control in the UK affairs I am happy, sorry if that offends our great Scottish friends but its not personal to you, I just don't like the party.
And with that Nuttall has gone..!
It's the DUP we're talking about here, not the UUP. The party once run by Paisley.
There's no executive in NI at the moment. If the DUP start trying to shape NI policy using this situation, it would be prudent to be concerned for peace in the short term. (Dissident republicans will go a bit mental.)
oh yes sorry
they seem like a good fit with the tories
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Don't forget their previous links with terrorism and not made up ones.
Do you think she has been crap over the last 40 years or just recently?
she's obviously been ill for a very long time...
There's no executive in NI at the moment. If the DUP start trying to shape NI policy using this situation, it would be prudent to be concerned for peace in the short term. (Dissident republicans will go a bit mental.)
As I've said elsewhere, given her track record, a return of the troubles wouldn't come as a surprise as May's final legacy. 🙁
The DUP website seems to be struggling at the moment. Their host thinks there's a DDOS attack 🙂
As I've said elsewhere, given her track record, a return of the troubles wouldn't come as a surprise as May's final legacy.
agreed
the warning signs have always been there, she was after all a terrible home secretary
she's obviously been ill for a very long time...
As perceptive as you've been this week. 😆
Don't forget their previous links with terrorism and not made up ones.
They're not friends with the Saudis as well?
And the people etc will stand by this? I really hope not.
What happens if DUP demand a "hard" border with Eire post prexit ?
Would Sinn Fein be tempted to turn up for a few critical counts?
samunkim - Member
What happens if DUP demand a "hard" border with Eire post prexit ?
bad things
When the dust has settled, the numbers are crunched and perhaps it seems that [i]Vote Labour - Get Tory[/i] happened in Scotland, costing JC support from the SNP, then is Kezia's career a little uncertain?
It's the DUP we're talking about here
Both SDLP and UU have been wiped out in Westminster.
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😆Over the next five years
[quote=slowoldgit ]Would Sinn Fein be tempted to turn up for a few critical counts?
i did wonder this it would be some top trolling if nothing else
Hard to say whether they think a Hard NI settlement helps or hinders them in their long term goal of a united Ireland but i think the allegiance to the Queen is the reason they wont ever attend
Pledge
I (name of Member) swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Affirmation
I (name of Member) do solemnly, sincerely, and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law.
NB there is a scottish version, one in welsh, scottish Gaelic and also Cornish but none for the irish mother tongue
SF will not be attending
So what now then? Hung parliament.
Normal.
Sometimes you need to feel pain before you feel well.
I only have a basic knowledge of N Ireland politics, but my understanding is that the 1921 agreement that started the process of creating what is now the Republic of Ireland was only ever a 'temporary' fix. If things get funny with the Conservatives and the DUP divvying things up then Sinn Fein could I think call for the renegotiation of the division of the island of Ireland. I am happy to be corrected if I've got the wrong end the stick but Theresa May needs to tread very carefully in terms of what she goes round promising - but on the basis of her recent performances I think she has all the qualities needed to really foul things up. I hope her odious regime falls on its arse before she does real damage.