[Closed] So we have enough CO2 to affect the climate but not enough for beer?

<p class="story-body__introduction">Supplies of Heineken's John Smith's Extra Smooth and Amstel kegs have been hit by an industry-wide shortage of carbon dioxide.</p>

Meh! Beer isn’t effected then.

CO2 capture plants and Lager drinkers could save us all if they worked together

Meh! Beer isn’t effected then.

No it is affected though.

I was recently involved in a project to increase oil production from a field by pumping in CO2 at on end to push out the oil at the other end. One of the reasons the project didn't get off the ground was the difficulty in finding a source of CO2 🙁

Nice. Oil and CO2. You monster!

No it is affected though.

Won't anyone think of the chickens?

No it is affected though.

Surely the shortage of ‘beer’ is the result?

Great news! Sales of fizzy Europiss will slump and sales of proper hand-pulled beer will grow.

The effect on the beer production has produced an effect on the output.

But the beer is affected.

Unless of course you are invoking metonomy and conflating the whole beer thing.

The CO2 is the issue the beer has been effected?

Great news! Sales of fizzy Europiss will slump and sales of proper hand-pulled beer will grow.

It's a shame it will also hit the greatly expanding craft keg beer market, I'd suspect a CAMRA conspiracy but those fellers are not that organised.

But for the OP it's about where it is not how much and CO2 is a byproduct of fertilizer manufacturing which always slows down in Summer and several EU suppliers are on shutdown at the same time.

No. The beer has been affected. There has been an effect on the production.

Think guitars. An effect pedal affects the sound, effecting a change, creating an effect by affecting the outcome. Obvious Shirley?

Best take advantage while it's still on offer and fill the garage with crates of Stella 😀

I'm debating trying sobriety.

Nice typography.

Have you heard of Comic Sans? Right up your street.

I was recently involved in a project to increase oil production from a field by pumping in CO2 at on end to push out the oil at the other end. One of the reasons the project didn’t get off the ground was the difficulty in finding a source of CO2

Having worked on the Peterhead CCS project our wonderful government abandoned this is all very frustrating

In defence of Drac, beer might well not be effected if there is a shortage of CO2

verb (used with object)
to produce as an effect; bring about; accomplish; make happen:
The new machines finally effected the transition to computerized accounting last spring.

No. The beer has been affected. There has been an effect on the production.

Now you see I was going along this.

A reduction in production has affected supply to breweries the Amstel has been effected due this.

Either way it’ll it bother me as it’s just crap beers.

Back to the oil wells, why CO2?  Just in some vain pseudo-green attempt to offset the gazillions of barrels of oil that have come out of the field?  If you're just forcing the oil out then wouldn't Nitrogen be as [b]a[/b]ffective and cheaper too?

Nope the Amstel has been affected.

Affect and effect can both be a noun or a verb but their use is quite precisely defined.

‘Affect’ or ‘effect’?

Affect and effect are different in meaning, though frequently confused. Affect is chiefly used as a verb and its main meaning is ‘to influence or make a difference to’, as in the following example sentences:

The pay increase will greatly affect their lifestyle.

The dampness began to affect my health.

The weather will affect my plans for the weekend.

Effect, on the other hand, is used both as a noun and a verb, although is more commonly used as a noun. As a noun it means ‘a result or an influence’, as in:

Move the cursor until you get the effect you want.

The beneficial effects of exercise are well documented.

Over time the effect of loud music can damage your hearing.

When used as a verb effect means ‘to bring something about as a result’. It’s most often used in a formal context as oppose to everyday English:

Growth in the economy can only be effected by stringent economic controls.

The new policies did little to effect change.

The prime minister effected many policy changes.

The key thing to remember is that effect is most commonly used as a noun, whereas affect is typically used as a verb.

Read more about affect and effect on the OxfordWords blog.

Well all this debate has made me thirsty....

Nope the Amstel has been affected.

And as Drac said, may well not be effected.

Look at that he couldn’t get any John Smith’s.

Effect, on the other hand, is used both as a noun and a verb, although is more commonly used as a noun. As a noun it means ‘a result or an influence’, as in:

Which is what I said.

Meh, there's always wine.

No. You said

Meh! Beer isn’t effected then.

There is a world of difference between effect and effected.

Pox on it! The weekend is nearly here. Who cares?

bottle conditioning is the answer innit

Pox on it! The weekend is nearly here. Who cares?

I'll drink to that. In 47 minutes I finish work until September 🍺🍻🍺

Pox on it! The weekend is nearly here. Who cares?

Not me.

We've plenty of ale, which has no use for added CO2, so who gives a monkeys if the fizzy tasteless rubbish is  affected or effected?

Gammons.

We’ve plenty of ale, which has no use for added CO2, so who gives a monkeys if the fizzy tasteless rubbish is  affected or effected?

Your missing the really good stuff they make that is full of flavour and taste that comes in kegs, to balance it there is a heap of bland watery crap cask about too

Meh, there’s always wine.

The keg drinkers have all ready started!

KeyKeg is used to deliver real beer but is CO2 driven. May affect some smaller breweries.

We visited a couple of distilleries up in the far north of Scotland last month and they said they're looking into harvesting CO2 again. They used to do it, and sell it on, and there's now enough market for it. It used to go up and down the railways-

so why dont the brewerys just keep the co2 that is produced by the fermenting proces

It's not necessarily the production and harvesting, it's also the infrastructure to compress and bottle it for use.

bottle conditioning is the answer innit

It is for me.

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KeyKeg is used to deliver real beer but is CO2 driven. May affect some smaller breweries."

uhhmm, nope. Key keg have a  membvrame which keeps the gas  away from the beer, so any gas can be used, even compressed air. Still need  CO2  to inject into the beer   in hte  first place .

Big breweries use CO2 stack retention systms to harvest and re-use co2 for purging  bottles  proior to filling, and blowing out kegs prior to filling. Some do ' top up ' fizzy lager to make it fizzier, but alot of the co2 will be natural

You haven't had fizzy tasteless crap till you've had our pear cider. Tastes like alcoholic water, seriously.

Some sugar and yeast is all I need to carbonate my beer.

Some do ‘ top up ‘ fizzy lager to make it fizzier, but alot of the co2 will be natural

That explains why the lager was flat at the cricket tonight until I switched on the gas. Oh wait no it doesn't.

Okay so beer aside, this is a classic "shit story with the real news buried" scenario.

CO2 isn't just for making drinks fizzy, we currently have 7 power stations producing 6GW of electricity that are reliant on it not just for day to day production but also shutdown cooling. And yes, that's the same grade as what goes into your Coca Cola or Heineken. Or Brewdog for that matter.

Back to the oil wells, why CO2?  Just in some vain pseudo-green attempt to offset the gazillions of barrels of oil that have come out of the field?  If you’re just forcing the oil out then wouldn’t Nitrogen be as <strong class="bbcode-strong">affective and cheaper too?

Ha - nothing to do with green credentials, I assure you! CO2 has a suitable miscibility with oil to be useful. I(t's complicated but quite interesting ...)

Ha – nothing to do with green credentials, I assure you! CO2 has a suitable miscibility with oil to be useful. I(t’s complicated but quite interesting …)

and fizzy diesel tastes better