[Closed] Snowboard Advice

i have a 161 gnu and flow bindings for sale, where are you based as we can do a trial if you fancy it. sale is 100 all in

I'm in Leeds but ride in Casvegas, what model of board/bindings are they?

Hello

http://www.goneboarding.co.uk/

is a good site

I thought snowboarding was expensive until I got into bikes.

A 160 is probably about right. You could go shorter if you prefer park style stuff and spinny tricks.

Have a look for last seasons boards. You won't get any good deals in Europe due to the exchange rate.

Around a 160 is about right for someone your height. A couple of cm's more is fine depending on your weight, don't go above that whilst your learning and don't drop below a 158 unless your a freetyle guru and want to throw your board around.

As for forums try www.goneboarding.co.uk ...

Enjoy.

Depends... I would always ride a shorter board inside, about a 154. But my big mountain board that is used each year is a 161 and im only 5ft9...

Depends how you take it...

Snow and Rock catalogue usually has a lot of good advice too for different levels.

For what its worth I ride a Rome Anthem 161 and absolutely love it.

Width is just as important as length especially is you have a fairly symmetrical stance and big feet. Don't want your toes and heels dragging do you.

http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/ has good forums, plus if you pay to become a full member (£15) then you get very decent discounts that quickly cover the cost. (10% off gear in boards shops like TSA, BoardWise and SS20; 20% off slope time at Sno!Zone, plus muchos discounts for holidays etc)

If you're buying a board + bindings + boots from a shop then 10% off will be quite a significant saving!

Width is just as important as length especially is you have a fairly symmetrical stance and big feet

I've got size 11 feet and I'm okay on a normal width Bataleon Goliath (stance angles +12/-9 I think).

have a look on www.snowboard-clearance.com for some great deals on previous season's boards. they're the snowboard asylum's outlet and if you're anywhere near manchester you can pop down and have a look at the board before you buy. some really good bargains to be had. there's a sweet lib tech for £250 but it's a massive 165cm!! the forum scheme looks sweet, i ride a forum destroyer and i love it.

depends what you want the board for really; if you've been going to castleford weekly you must be into park no? if so maybe a smaller board for tricking on perhaps, but seen as you have never been to the mountains before i'd imagine you'll want more of a freeride/all mountain board so you can thrash it all over the hill, in which case going smaller would be a bad choice. if you get a smaller board and you get a good dump whilst out there you'll just end up sinking in the powder. if you are riding powder you want a board where the bindings are set back a bit so you can put all your weight over the back which will sink your tail and keep your nose on the surface. so your choices might be between a true twin tip board, where the bindings are centred (no set back) which will be better for jibbing and tricking off stuff, a bit of park, a bit of back country OR a directional board (longer nose/bindings set back) which will be better in the powder, faster & more stable. like with bikes, there's nothing to stop you riding a board in the environment it's designed for, they just wont be as good as some others.

so, in conclusion, you need to buy about 4 boards.

lank45 - Casvegas, my local slope. Speak nicely to TSA (or whatever they call themselves these days) and they'll let you ride demo board after demo board. Literally. Book a 3 hour slot on a week day and you can try anything up to half a dozen boards - let them know which in advance obviously. They aren't even that picky about deposits or knowing you're going to buy. My board was out of commission for some reason and I wandered in told them I didn't like the hire boards and could I borrow one, including explaining I wasn't going to buy, and the answer was here you go, do you need bindings too?
To be honest though the only actuial advice I'd give you is don't buy a beginner board. They have no feel, and if you've done any riding you'll be past it anyway

My 2 pennies -

When I started out I bought myself a 158 burton 7 park board and looking back it was a big mistake for a beginner to proper piste riding. After 3 years I bought a second all mountain board 161 Ride prophet and all I can say is the difference in actually riding the board down the mountain at speed is amazing. It is so easy to ride fast and safe. I take both boards with me on hols now and usually do 2 days or so per week on the park board, and I still find it twitchy and it unnerving (due to it's flex it 'chatters' at speed)

My advice would be go for a proper piste board if you new to mountain riding unless you really are going to spend all your time in the park.

Oh - I'm 5'11" so maybe ride boards a bit bigger than the above advice, I was told to size a board roughly by holding it against you and it should be just below your nose. Works for me.

I am 5'8"" and have a 160 Ride concept UL, just upgraded mrom my 156 begginners board

hmmmm... Are we headed for a show us your snowboards thread....

haha, why not...

my first board: burton A-deck 149cm. way too small but still good fun.
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then there was the burton clash 158cm. not bad for a cheap board, but it didn't like the park much.
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then the board i bought in NZ the burton powers 158cm pipe board. brilliant fun, very stiff and had lots of pop. wish i could get it repaired
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and my forum destroyer i bought last year. only used for a week and a half and i ruptured a rib on the third day so haven't really used it properly yet, but it did feel really responsive...
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love the detail on it
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sorry, bit excited - i booked my flights to geneva today 😀 😀

Got my Palmer pulse from Chaineaction (Yes THAT Chainreaction)..... very good deal at the time. i'm 5'9" and ride a 158cm - Imperial & metric eh)!

Off to Austria in January and could do with a more "advanced" board now.... & i did like the look of that 1.5k Burton on the gadget show.... and there is a great review on the Whitelines website on a new transparent (aerospace grade)plastic board from the states.

i got all my snowboard gear end of season from CRC. usual great service and huge discounts.

Book a 3 hour slot on a week day and you can try anything up to half a dozen boards

yep, demo is the way to go. I rode four boards at the snowboard show, then demo'd another three through TSA (at Braehead) before I decided on my Goliath.

You're obviously a mountain biker, so what bike have you got and what terrain do you like riding? If you ride trail centres on a jump bike, buy a freestyle board. If you try to get air on your all mountain bike, get an all mountain board....... Your attitude to mountain bike riding, will reflect what you try on a board, when you hit the hill. Post your bike/attitude to bike riding.

Is that why I'm slow and unfit, but fairly chilled on a board then?

in DX stylee, Decathlon own brand boards are cheap as hell, but turn out to be rebranded Salomon kit (which isnt amazing I know) but rides quite nice, loads of pop, and at the price I have no qualms ripping the hell out of on any and all occasions (60 quid 3 years ago and has been ridden on and off piste all over Cham, 2Alps, Alpe D'Huez, Scotland and a couple of carry ups in the lakes when its been too snowy to ride bikes).

Avoid the Decathlon bindings like the plauge and get some nice second hand ones. I managed to get some Burton Cartels of a mate for very little (though they are in Chav White 🙁 )

I still think that snowboard kit makes bike kit look reasonable, I would reason that a snowboard is essentially a hardtail frame, and bindings are a crankset. Stickers are the same in any language.

The surfer in me is still confused as hell about putting wax on the bottom to make it go faster, though I do stick surfwax on the top, rather than using a stomp plate, and it seems to work fine, and makes my board smell nice 😀

unless you feel the specific need to _own_ a board though, a sage man once said the best brand of ski for rocks is "Hire Skis". good advice unless you have a specific urging or are going to use it a lot. don't use your own board on a dry slope!

meh

I would say a burton custom and burton fish are going to cover what most people will want to/are capable of riding

or a malolo if you want to combine both the above boards, though I don't truely love my malolo in the way I love my fish

Plum

Have been snowboarding for about 17 years, I am 6ft and 85kg and have ridden boards from 149cm up to 169cm. As I have got older the boards I have ridden have got longer, probably as I used to do a lot of jumps and spins, but now I like to Freeride and ride Powder.
Small boards are easy to manouever but twitchy at speed, where long boards are a bit slower but a lot more stable.
I reckon something about 160cm would be best, also if your feet are big I would consider something a bit wider as there is nothing worse than trying to decend a steep icy clope, and catching your toes/heels. Although a wide board will feel a lot less manoueverable at slow speeds.
The other thing I like in a board is for it to be quite stiff, as this makes it more stable and gives you more control where you are riding through crud.

I'm 6ft 1 and currently ride a 164cm Palmer Carbon Circles which I find the perfect length for deep powder and traveling at high speed on the piste.

I learned to ride on an awful combo of a 172cm(!) Town and Country with first generation Switch bindings which in hindsight provided no control over the board at all. The shop quite literally saw me coming. I replaced that with Burton boots and "proper" bindings and a 159cm K2 Eldorado. It was like swapping between a Supertanker and a Jet Ski in terms of manouverability.

Snowboarding is ace.

As suggested already, the type of riding dictates the board.

For UK indoor snow you want something shortish and easy to spin, reasonably soft for forgiving landings, blunt edges for rails. Basically a freestyle board.

For the Alps it depends what you want to do. If you ride loads of park in the UK and find you like to cruise about spinning/jumping off things or hitting a bigger park then a freestyle board will be grand, but you will want to sharpen your edges. If you start to go off-piste or get a taste for speed you will want a stiffer board, possibly with a directional shape and/or core.

Don't get too hung up on an expensive "do-everything" board, something mid-priced and multi-functional from a big manufacturer is a safe bet. I would also try and find the boot manufacturer that best fits your feet. Let the boot dictate which binding you go for, they are designed to work together and it reduces your chances of foot pain.

The final and most important bit of advice would be to try and save money to get some lessons or at least a sharpening-up session out there. You can work on technique much better on proper pistes. Its very easy to get to the stage where you can razz about and stay upright but you'll need good fundamentals once you try anything more technical. Avoid the ESF like the plague, some of the stuff they teach is about 20 years out of date - look for UK/N America/NZ/Oz qualified instructors if possible.

Get the right advice from more than one source. Get the right board for your height, riding style, and importantly your weight. Youll absolutly love it on "real" snow - its a totally different experience. I'm sooooooo jealous cos i cant go this year due to new business commitments.

DO NOT hire a board in resort unless you know what you are getting. Friend of mine hired in Morzine last year, first board was only fit for the bin, so paid an extra 50 euros for a "premium" board - actually got a lump of sh*te, i was shocked they hired it to him in the first place, all set up completely wrong too, spent the next hour setting it up right for him.

Knowledge IS power !!

Peachos - WTF.... never seen so many trashed boards. Are you a frequenter to the park or is it down to rider technique/incorrect weight board?? Sorry dude - dont mean to critisize a fellow boarder but it is alot of trashed boards.

Strip is right about hire outlets fobbing their customers off.

Mrs B went off to hire a board and came back with a smashed up plank of wood which was as long as she was tall. Back to the shop we went.

You haven't mentioned whether or not you have good boots and I'm guessing if you've only ridden indoors in the UK then you've never spent all day in snowboard boots. To be honest the choice of what board isn't as important as your boots. You'll be able to board all day in good boots and a bad board but you'll be a cripple if you have bad boots and good board. This is where you should be spending your money.

That being said the advice on demoing boards is a good one. For what it's worth I ride a 158 Rome Anthem which British Airways kindly bought for me and I'm 5'8".

Good point Stripe, its probably best to take somebody with you to the shop if you are unsure of anything, my 6'5", 17 stone mate came back with a 157 one year.

Peachos I feel your pain, the Volkl Wall Pro I bought in NZ lasted about a fortnight. Too many rocks out there!

[i]Avoid the ESF like the plague, some of the stuff they teach is about 20 years out of date - look for UK/N America/NZ/Oz qualified instructors if possible.[/i]

The ESF regroups self-employed instructors that have reached a higher minimum standard in competition and undergone more rigorous training than anywhere else in the world. If you want to you can board with some of the best boarders anywhere, even olympic gold medalists from the last two games - hardly 20 years out of date. Just make it very clear what you are capable of and what you want to do, and the ESF will find you somebody - obviously boarding with olympic champions costs a little more than a beginners group class.

Don't forget that if you want to do something properly out-there-man (sic) you'll need a mountain guide rather than an instructor, if you feel the need for anyone at all of course, suicide is legal in France.

To be honest the choice of what board isn't as important as your boots.

+1 buy boots (and decent socks) first if you don't already have some.

My current board (just bought a few weeks ago, only ridden it twice, third outing tonight):
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http://www.bataleon.com/en/boards_goliath (probably not a great beginners board as the TBT base will mess you up!)

Oh and if you are riding at Casvegas every week then [u]definitely[/u] get the SCUK membership: 20% off slope time!

My experience of boarding lessons with ESF is that, whilst not dreadful, they certainly weren't the best and the technique they taught was miles behind what was taught in North America.

The ESF regroups self-employed instructors that have reached a higher minimum standard in competition and undergone more rigorous training than anywhere else in the world. If you want to you can board with some of the best boarders anywhere, even olympic gold medalists from the last two games - hardly 20 years out of date.

Being a great boarder does not make you great instructor.

Edukator if you wind me up on every snow-related thread its going to be a long winter, but anyway, reasons to dislike the ESF...

The ESF have recently been forced by EU competition laws to recognise other countries professional instructor qualifications. Prior to this they had a cosy brown-paper-envelope relationship with the local politicians, justified by the assertion that any other schools would be a safety hazard.

For years their qualification included a speed test, on skis. Obviously you have to be pretty tidy on skis to pass the speed test. This ruled out a lot of out-and-out snowboarders and means that ESF's instructor base is full of ex-skiers with and emphasis on euro-carving, hard boots and dodgy pony tails.

You will still see plenty of their instructors teaching people to turn their board by swinging from the upper body. This is fundamentally wrong and causes all kinds of problems with progression.

I know that the ESF is improving and there are a lot of very good instructors, especially on skis. For snowboarding you are better going with one of the newer schools as their instructors will be more likely to teach you sound technique from the start.

The ESF regroups self-employed instructors that have reached a higher minimum standard in competition and undergone more rigorous training than anywhere else in the world. If you want to you can board with some of the best boarders anywhere, even olympic gold medalists from the last two games - hardly 20 years out of date. Just make it very clear what you are capable of and what you want to do, and the ESF will find you somebody - obviously boarding with olympic champions costs a little more than a beginners group class.

I went on a group holiday and one of the people we were with had lessons with ESF - she was in a beginner group, but was told to give up as she would never be able to do it, and left alone on the mountain to find her way back to where we were staying. This was on her very first time on snow/in the mountains - and on a lesson she had paid for in advance!!! She was pretty humiliated and upset and it nearly put her off completely.

After her boyfriend went in to the ESF office and kicked off big style, she was assigned another tutor, and she got on just fine. The other guy should have been sacked for that imo, but wasn't even told off from the sound of things - was certainly leading other groups later in the week.

[i]Being a great boarder does not make you great instructor.[/i]

Nope, it's the rigorous pedagogical content in the training that does that. Check out the respective training manuals and sytems for instructos from different countries.

The French system of instruciton is very structured and methodical which is a reflection of the education system. If you're patient and don't want to end up in hospital it's a good system. I've met Brits that have moaned about the ESF and I felt it was because that wanted someone to teach them to run before they could walk. I have nothing bad to say about American boarding BTW.

If you're patient and don't want to end up in hospital it's a good system.

Unless they sack you from a beginner class for not being good enough.

Weight is more important than height. I would say 160 max for general riding unless you ride powder lots. I'm 5.11 and ride 156 - 158 boards for everything.

Test ride boards from TSA then make your choice, boards prob cheaper here than Europe at the mo anyway.

Grumm you will only get that level of arrogance with the ESF. I used to process anywhere up to 3000 sets of lessons a week and they had by far the worst record for customer service and refunds.

I would say those kind of instructors are a dying breed though, some competition has made the ESF much more forward-thinking and there is a new generation of instructors who don't have the same sense of entitlement and are a lot more patient and focussed on having fun.

I used to book a lot of lessons, ski hire, and lift passes. I would advise anyone wanting to book in advance to go direct to the provider. Everybody from tour ops to transfer companies is offering pre-booking services these days, they make healthy kick-backs on it all. The providers have got wise to this and will offer decent discounts on direct business rather than paying a middle man.

A sad and interesting tale with a happy ending for your friend grumm. In any profession there are some that are better than others and invariably some that you wonder how they survive. Creating a stink to get what you want is a national passtime. 😉

The ESF knows whom the best instructors are and dishes out the work to them in priority. In busy periods there simply aren't enough to go around and anyone with the qualification who is available gets pressed into use. It's then that you get the bods that have a normal job and use their paid holiday to instruct at Christmas or in the February holidays to earn a bit of extra cash. Among those are the ones that are 20 years out of date. It's pretty much the same in every country AFAIK.

Dunno about that Ranger, I'm 6'3" but only about 80kgs and I'd be more like 162-165 or so. Plus, bigger lad, wider stance and you want a bit of tip and tail for stability.

[i]Grumm you will only get that level of arrogance with the ESF. I used to process anywhere up to 3000 sets of lessons a week and they had by far the worst record for customer service and refunds.[/i]

Ask many French providers why they will no longer work with British tour operators and you'll get similar comments Shandy. It works both ways and there are too sides to every story. If you have an abusive level of late cancellations and aggression the provider will stop refunding in the hope you take your business elsewhare leavings slots for good business rather than bad business. This applies to room reservations, instruction, transport - the whole chain.

I'm 6'4" and when I bought my board I was expecting to get a 164ish board but was advised by the Swedish dudes to get something a bit shorter and snappier so I picked up a 160cm and I'm still alive and can ride it just fine.

Peachos - WTF.... never seen so many trashed boards. Are you a frequenter to the park or is it down to rider technique/incorrect weight board?? Sorry dude - dont mean to critisize a fellow boarder but it is alot of trashed boards.

nah i'm about 5'10" and weigh about 75kg so 158cm is about spot on for me. i don't actually know what happened to the Clash - i was just riding along and something felt very strange, looked down to see that huge crack just in front of my leading foot. put that one down to a crap board. did the Powers by landing tail heavy whilst trying to get my FS switch 540's down on a massive 20ft kicker in NZ - gutted, but luckily there were only a couple of weeks left in the season and it rode them out.

Edukator I worked for TUI (Crystal/Thomson) and they are a terrible, terrible company, kept profitable by having enormous bulk buying power. The way they treat their staff and suppliers has to be seen to be believed. How about taking €48 off somebody for 6 days boot hire and giving the shop €8 euro, or taking £800 off a chalet guest for Christmas week and spending €40 per head on food and wine for a week?! I have no love for British tour ops!!!

Edukator I worked for TUI (Crystal/Thomson) and they are a terrible, terrible company

Blimey! We've used Crystal quite a lot over the years and always found them to be good value and have good sociable chalet staff.

shandy, where/when did you work for TUI? i worked for them during the first half of the 2005/06 season in Claviere, Italy. they certainly get their money's worth out of you - think i was getting paid about £250 a month + lift pass, shared accommodation & food for between 40-60 hours a week. hated it so left for Val d'Isere to hook up with some other mates.

TUI are German of course and their business is no longer welcome in some resorts though they would no doubt advance some other reason for having pulled out.

My son is up on a glacier with an ESF coach as I speak Shandy. The guy is young, talented (top ten in the world), polite, friendly, and an excellent role model for my son. You'll forgive me for objecting to unfair generalities about the ESF

If anyone recognises me after my last comment I'd appreciate you keeping my surname under your hat. Ta.

Shandy - Have a look at few catalogues, most of the the boards have weight catorgaries, wonder why?

Height it misguiding, personal preference and riding style is much more important. As said above flex patterns and board design or as important.

If you want something that will do everything you wont go too wrong with directional twin shaped board.

You'll forgive me for objecting to unfair generalities about the ESF

I dealt with the ESF for 1500-3000 lessons per week, for several winters. In my experience they had a much higher level of complaints than any other schools. That is not a generalisation, its a statistical fact.

Ranger I didn't mean to wind you up, I was just pointing out that some taller gents think that a longer board keeps things in proportion. Going by weight alone is pretty vague, most boards have at least 20kg ranges on them. Height and weight are both considerations.

I've got boots (and socks) sorted. Spent a while trying varying types but plumped for a Salomon Synapse. It's a narrow fit for my narrow feet and feels comfortable with little to no heel lift, after using them I'm glad I got a stiffer boot as I feel much more confident and don't have to force the board to make movements like I had before in the Casvegas slippers. I've signed up for the SCUK membership thanks alot for the heads up and i'm off snowsurfing tonight after work. My feet are a size 10 so I'll make sure I look out for width, and now I've got 10% off at TSA it might be worth plumping for new gear as apposed to second hand. Cheers again for the advice it's been much appreciated

[i]In my experience[/i] does not equal [i]a statistical fact.[/i]

So you bear a grudge against the ESF, you're entitled to that, but unless you can link some statistics, talking statistics gives no weight to what you say. It sounds like the ESF was your major service provider in France by a long way. I would therefore suggest that less complaints from other schools was quite normal as they did less work.

You have an issue with French skiers as you said on the other thread Shandy. You can hate us as much as you like, that's your privilege, I'll only bite when your hatred leads to you misleading other STWers about the realities of skiing/borading in France.

From posts on this forum I suspect some Brits (a minority I hope) including yourself have a low opinion of the French and that their xenophobic attitude to their instructors is part of the problem.

I think you are becoming slightly paranoid here chief. For starters I seriously doubt if anybody gives a fiddlers what your name is...

What I have said here is that in my experience (of turning over millions of euros of business) with ESF their standard of customer service is worse than the independent schools in the Alps. I haven't listed a string of horror stories because the ESF are not all bad, plenty of good people make their living with them and I have made plenty of positive comments about them too. The independents have introduced competition and dramatically improved the standard of teaching across the board so they deserve credit where it is due.

All I said on the other thread was that sometimes collisions are unavoidable. Everybody tries their best to avoid them but sometimes they happen. You then started ranting about dangerous behaviour, prosecution, "suicide is legal" and all that shite.

You are the one who is stereotyping here. You have assumed that I spend my time ducking ropes and jumping small children. In fact I have learnt my skills like anyone else, done a couple of Avalanche courses, and toured on skis and snowshoes/board pretty extensively around the Chamonix valley. I stick to my limits and I've never endangered my life or anyone elses.

I am not even British, I'm Irish. I lived and worked in the Alps for a number of years and I have nothing but respect for the French. Like the Irish, they have certain unique "national characteristics", some positive and some negative, which make up their national identity, and are something to be celebrated. Most of my French friends are happy to have a laugh at the differences between the two cultures. Its when you start taking things too seriously and judging people on sight that "xenophobia" kicks in.

Life out there is pretty much like anywhere else. You can choose to get wound up and judge people, or you can give the benefit of the doubt and treat people as they treat you. The British tourist thinking that their money entitles them to a week of subservience is just as much of an asshole as the Frenchman who relies on tourism for his income but hates f*cking tourists!

I've had ESF lessons and while they weren't the best I've ever had they weren't that bad. To be honest he really just pointed out all my bad habits that I already knew I had - but just someone else pointing them out helped.

As for the French and my experiences in French alpine resorts, I think they are like everyone else - treat them with respect and they are a great bunch. The owner of one of the restaurants was busily giving my 3 year old son biscuits her mother had cooked earlier this year, while her staff tried to teach him French. Turn up, get drunk and throw up all over their town and you'll get a different response. In between you'll get something in between.

But then I'm Scots, not English 😉

Board: for 6'1" around 160. If a noob then a stiff, poppy board could be a bit scary and pointless for low speeds.

Toe drag: Mey feet size 11. If I had low profle bindings mine would drag, but I have Flows with a tall base so toes don't drag. You can vary the lateral position of the binding base to position your foot evenly which helps too.

Binding position: experiement - some prefer slightly duck (me), some euro style angles, and some the standard. The gap will vary with leg length. I set mine on the middling holes for more aggressive turns on hardpack. On snowy days they go on the back holes to give a long, cushioned, floaty nose to help prevent nose-diving in pow.

ESF: From personal experience, and comments for readers of a popular ski-resort guide: At all resorts, the most inconsistent quality of any school. Some instructors excellent, many others awful. Lots of complaints about massive classes, zero attention, little or zero English used, poor teaching skills. Even worse for boarding which tends not to be taken seriously. You might get lucky but I would not risk my money and holiday on ESF. Sorry.

That's much better Shandy apart from misquoting me and putting words in my mouth. A little balance at last.

Just to remind you this is the point we fell out over, your admission that you do not respect piste priority rules:

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Edukator,

I'll remind myself of that the next time I sail over a tabletop to find some beaming mong traversing across the landing.
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Then you accused me of lying about supervised snow parks, despite me giving you the exact words to type into Google to find out about them.

[i]Shandy - Member

I have ridden parks all over the world and even in the States I have never come across somebody standing around with a clipboard and a whistle, commanding the troops.

Edukator I would suggest that there aren't many of them about and that you are, in fact, talking shite.
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Are you big enough to admit you were wrong on the points that started the conflict. As it stands you have called me a liar and not retracted or apologised.

You are melting my brain you patronising cvnt.

In hitting an 8 metre table with a partially unsighted landing I hit a guy who had traversed under a rope and onto the downslope. I don't give a fiddlers how it compares to the piste rules. I just said that there was nothing I could have done about it.

I have never, ever, been in a supervised snowpark. Since you won't give a single example I will surmise that you are still talking shite.

Three results from the first page of Google results for "supervised snow park". I suggest doing a little research before calling someone a liar. I ski mountaineer with one of the pisteurs that runs a park. You also ski mountainer and state that you have never put your life in danger. I dispute that, le risque zero n'existe pas en haute montagne.

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Three ski patrollers for one parc in Val. 🙂

The words supervised and snow park on one page. The first one is in the Pyrenese FFS.

And I have been through Val park plenty of times and the only thing that those guys are supervising is who is skinning up next.

Put the willys away please chaps.

BTW this is the snowboard *I* want:

Windlip J-class

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So now you have the names of the resorts you can Google them. I'll do one for you Shandy, the Pyrenean one as your FFS (Federation Française de Ski) indicates how much esteem you have for resort:

[url= http://lespyrenees.net/en/station,22,Peyragudes.html ]Supervised snow park[/url]

Rarely have I met a forum contributor so insistent on demonstrating his ignorance. Just how long is it since you were in a snow parc Shandy?

The only supervised park you can find is a kids one in the arse end of the Pyrenese.

I've had enough of arguing with you, you tedious cvnt.

You just carry on talking yourself round in circles.

What about Val d'Isere then, have you heard of it?

[url= http://www.valdiserevalpark.com/VALPARK_09/Securite.html ]Val d'Isere park rules[/url]

The "sécurité" link on the Enlish language version is dead so you'll have to read the French one. I assume you understand the word "staff". Read the rest of the rules, they confirm what I've been saying all along. [/url]

Loosely translated.

4, check that the landing is free before you set off.

5, no snaking, i.e. don't slip the ropes and enter the park halfway down.

7, stay the fvck out of the landing, especially if you haven't even used the take-off and are out of sight of the run-in.

Thats that cleared up then, good lad.

Its like everthing else if you are good enough you can ride any board.Ive been going to Whistler for the last 10 years and had 5 new boards(1 every 2 seasons)and had no problems with any one I bought.Better to get good fitting boots then worry about the board

Its like everthing else if you are good enough you can ride any board.Ive been going to Whistler for the last 10 years and had 5 new boards(1 every 2 seasons)and had no problems with any one I bought.Better to get good fitting boots then worry about the board

You'll be the guy I saw riding the fire road in Afan on a Raleigh Shopper then gordi. Awesome. 😉 As you say, if you are good enough you can ride a tea tray, most people find a board suited to their weight, build, style, use and ability more enojoyable though.

Wot he said.

You have more fun on a board that is suited to you and what you want to do.

You can ride a tea tray, but you won't get far trying to butter it through powder or nailing misty flips in the pipe.