Forum menu
but when I have kids if they need a smack or a punch to put them in there place ..so be it..
Whoah there big boy! I don't think you should consider a career in parenting if you think punching a child could ever help solve an issue.
Ssshhh, don’t rile him!
I find it really funny that some folk on here are so keen to condemn the SNP for anything they do that they are making fatuous arguments conflating self defense, defense of others, restraint to stop someone injuring themselves and beating children
After this law is passed you will still be able to protect yourself even if attacked by a child. Thats a different bit of law
You will still be able to intervene if one child is beating another even if that involves hurting the bullies - thats a different bit of law
After this law you will still be able to restrain a child to prevent it from doing something you do not want the child to do be that something dangerous or something you don't want them to do - thats a different bit of law
After this bit of law you will still be able to use reasonable force to remove a disruptive child from a situation - thats a different bit of law
What you will no longer have is an exception to the laws on assault to allow you to assault a child. that seems reasonable to me. There can never be a moral justification for beating a child
I don’t recall being smacked by my mum for being a brat, but I do recall one occasion when I was being taken to bed against my will, and I kicked off, literally, going up the stairs, and kicked my mum on her leg. She kicked me back, quite hard. It didn’t happen again...
I was about three or four.
Named person scheme (Now quietly defunct, tho’ it lived on for a while after being declared illegal).
Many local authorities operated versions of the named person scheme for years prior to the botched national roll out and continue to do so now. I know a few very vocal critics of it who were surprised to learn it had been running in their area for ages and the world had not come crashing down.
Where does this new law stand on withholding pudding?
What you will no longer have is an exception to the laws on assault to allow you to assault a child. that seems reasonable to me. There can never be a moral justification for beating a child
The existing law never allowed for beating a child. We need to choose our words very carefully in this debate.
Mmm...my dad was quite happy to give me or my brothers a clip round the ear or kick up the backside but...it was always for being cheeky or showing a lack of respect to other people or for lying etc.... I never felt abused or anything like that ; I just learnt about respect.
I think about that quite often when I ask the school kids if they might like to put their litter in a bin instead of throwing it on the ground. The response I normally get is the offer to go and perform a sexual act on myself.
spin - I did chose my words carefully. Hitting a child = beating them in IMO
Beating? Lay off the hyperbole.
spin – I did chose my words carefully. Hitting a child = beating them in IMO
So you chose that word based on your own definition of it rather than the generally accepted / dictionary definition. Beating implies repeated and quite forceful hitting which was already against the law.
Use of such emotive words isn't really helpful.
OK - checked the dictionary and you are right. So maybe it sounded much more hyperbolic than intended
You can get into a whole philosophical debate over this and if one hit is OK Is two? how about 3? when does a smacking become a beating? How many smackers just stop at one blow?
Its much easier to have a clear line - no hitting a child.
Apparently, frustrated and angry parents are putting their kids into cars and driving to England to administer punishment.. Berwick upon Tweed is being inundated by what are being called smack cruises.
With both fracking and smacking being banned today at Holyrood, fans of both snacking and bush whacking were heard to issue a huge sigh of relief.
the liberal left snowflakes are at it again, small wonder discipline is on its arse.
58 countries have "no hitting children" laws. these include many of the countries we see as the nicest most civilised places to live
In my group of friends some of us were regularly smacked growing up. Not beaten, not abused, but got fairly regular smacks when we tried our parents patience.
Out of the two groups, guess which one has more problems with anger control and is still getting into fights even as we edge towards our 40s.
But yeah, smacking never did us any harm!
Nice anecdote there Bruce
This is bad news for the world of professional wrestling...
the WWE WithdrawalofwifiDown won’t be quite as exciting.
nice inductive fallacy there Bruce
Yes, of course. My anecdote contradicts all statistics and should therefore be disregarded.
But naturally, anyone who says 'I was smacked growing up and it never did me any harm' is making a perfectly valid contribution.
is making a perfectly valid contribution.
No, that would also be anecdote.
mental abuse is just as bad a physical, my parents actually used to shout at me too! this has obviously left me with anger issues and mental scarring, perhaps i can sue them?
where were my human rights to do as i please without the threat of real consequence when i was growing up? my childhood was robbed, i never even got to back chat adults!
Just to be clear, does the no anecdote rule apply to all discussions on STW? Because I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure I've seen other people using personal anecdotes to make their point on other threads.
No.
Only on this thread then? I think if you look back you might find an anecdote or two on this very thread.
Is there something about my anecdote in particular that breaks the rule?
Did someone not get coco pops for breakfast?
Have you given up?
im trying so hard to resist, and i havent checked, but im pretty sure ive never seen any other people using personal anecdotes to make their point ever on STW threads.
no there is no rule, unfortunately your comment has been responded to and called out, im sorry you feel picked on. perhaps if i wasnt smacked as a child i would have more empathy and wouldnt criticise and devalue another persons comment regardless of whether its true or not
You sound weird. If we were in the pub this would be the point I abruptly stopped talking to you and started ignoring you. Try not to jump up and down desperately trying to attract my attention. It's embarrassing for both of us.
Good idea imo.I think it damages a persons self esteem tbh.
As a little boy I used to get a good hiding off my mother ,every Thursday ,whether I deserved it or not. Plus many thumps,punches and kicks up the stairs whilst fleeing!
She still says I'm not too big for a slap!
I haven't smacked Jnr J but I have had to physically restrain him when he's gone totally bonobo.
However ,I have told him I will defend myself if he ever gets fisty with me. Ha.
(he's a little blighter at times!)
BRUCE....BRUCE...BRUUUUUCCCCEEEEEEE!!
name calling..
im so sad Bruce, and i thought we were friends having a bit of banter
if we were in the pub this would be the point i abruptly threw my lager shandy at you for ignoring me
Must say Drac's resorting to obtuse comments instead of explaining why he didn't like (?presuming sarcasm in his first response) Bruce's message is a little bit weird. But hey ho
Sorry for making a joke DezB.
No problem here, but I don't think Bruce got it either, seemed a bit irritated.
I think he has anger issues.
The existing law never allowed for beating a child. We need to choose our words very carefully in this debate.
Which to me is why there are at least 2 different things being debated.
At one end children are beaten to death. It's not legal... but yet it happens.
There seems to be some argument that slapping a child on the wrist for turning on the gas or trying to stick their fingers in a plug inexorably leads to said child being beaten to death with a hammer.
This itself seems to be because of some idea that if a parent disciplines a child with a slapped wrist the parent is doing this through anger rather than simply trying to keep their child alive and well.
There is a further implication that all parents have the same skills and all children behave in the same way and if a parent uses one way they are a bad parent.
There is another statement being made that violence is somehow ALWAYS wrong with a claim that a smack on the wrist is somehow teaching a kid that the best way to respond to any argument is by punching someone in the face.
I think he has anger issues.
I think you said something stupid, got called out for it, made a snippy comment, and then sensibly shut up. Then you decided to jump back in.
And yes, for the record, I do have anger issues which is a symptom of Borderline Personality Disorder. My first reaction in ANY confrontation is to punch someone in the face. Luckily I generally manage to keep it under control but it puts a huge strain on all my relationships, especially with my kids.
I used to think it was OK that my parents used to hit me and it didn't do any harm. Now that I have my own kids I can see that the only reason people hit their kids, no matter how they want to justify it or dress it up, is frustration. And I say this as someone who wants to smack his kids at least two or three times per week.
So, any clarification on when it's OK to use anecdotes or not?
I think you said something stupid, got called out for it, made a snippy comment, and then sensibly shut up. Then you decided to jump back in.
I think you’ll find it was the other way around.
There is no rules on anecdotes but don’t be surprised if people point out that’s all it is no matter what the view point.
Sorry if my joke on your anger issues was too personal that wasn’t my intention
I think you’ll find it was the other way around.
I shared an anecdote as others have done on this thread. It's a personal anecdote that backs up the what the studies show. I searched but I couldn't find any research showing smacking is beneficial.
You said something stupid and you got called on it, hence the Coco Pops 'joke'.
If you can find any studies that back up the 'it didn't do me any harm, how else are you supposed to discipline kids' anecdotes feel free to post them.
With Bruce here.
Also, what's with all these new folk I've never seen suddenly appearing on threads to stir shit? Don't tell me the mods haven't noticed.
I shared an anecdote as others have done on this thread. It’s a personal anecdote that backs up the what the studies show. I searched but I couldn’t find any research showing smacking is beneficial.
You said something stupid and you got called on it, hence the Coco Pops ‘joke’.
It’s still an anecdote just like others are yes, you took it personal as I only quoted you. The Coco Pops joke was because you were acting like a spoilt kid.
There’s a big difference between beating kids and given them a gentle slap to try and teach them not to touch something that could seriously injure them.
We’ve noticed Squirrel.
Also, what’s with all these new folk I’ve never seen suddenly appearing on threads to stir shit? Don’t tell me the mods haven’t noticed.
You're imagining things. No new users on this thread, unless their posts been removed.
I shared an anecdote as others have done on this thread. It’s a personal anecdote that backs up the what the studies show.
Not sure if me wading will help, probably not, but anyway... When I read your post I probably read it a bit too quick and actually thought you were making the opposite point as you asked us guess rather than you stating it (Asking people to guess usually means the answer is surprising ime). You then finished with a line stating the exact opposite of the point you were making. Re-reading it I can see it is meant as sarcasm. Sorry for the misunderstanding, not that you would know as I didn't comment until now. I wonder if any others are getting more het up and what they read rather than what you wrote. That happens a lot on here and on the internet in general
Nice anecdote there Bruce
Which happens to be backed up by proper research, according to the news coverage on this story.