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Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails, and yet you fall for it Every Single Time...
Thing is; I think most of us on here would be well up for some serious discussion and debate. But it seems one individual in particular, is intent only on pouring scorn on anyone who dare have slightly different opinions to himself. The constant barrage of abuse and vitriol, attempting to belittle people be calling them 'sixth formers', or insinuating they are 'conspiracy theorist nutjobs', and generally insulting many people who genuinely want to create a better society through political campaigning, direct action or even just by giving a shit about others, sucks up a load of oxygen better spent elsewhere. If that's how Binners wants to play it, fine, we can do that. We can resort to 'playground' behaviour, if all we are is just a load of kids, right?
Or he can drop the constant attention seeking crap, and we can go back to having a proper intelligent debate. I'm more than up for that. And I'm sure others are too. Cos one man's quest for affirmation has got rather stale and boring. Wouldn't you agree?
U OK HUN? X
Painful.
Anyway... what's Starmer talking about...?
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1398976484543508480?s=20
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1399670266507284485?s=20
Here's a BBC article that's quite sympathetic to Starmer (there, see, I can do it, so can others), which is a pretty big shift from the blatantly partisan stuff they used to do about Corbyn:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57321990
It's nice that he's got time for shmoozing slebs; personally, I'd rather be down an allotment, but to each their own.
Anyway… what’s Starmer talking about…?
Stuff that other people have been talking about for over a year now? Stuff that many of us have known exists for pretty much ever? Or has he just discovered the internet, bless him?
who’s stepping up to take his place…?
You know exactly who, thicko council estate chav woman who ran rings around her superior city lawyer boss. She'll march them into the future armed with a crate of strongbow dark fruits, 20 B&H and a half eaten bag of chips.
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails
Exactly. That's why I think binners should go back to the Rose and Crown and say, "sorry lads I was just pulling your pigtails".
I'm sure everyone would have a good ol' hearty laugh with much thigh slapping and everything would be just tickety-boo afterwards.
What do you say binners? Maybe buy everyone in the pub a drink just to remind them what a great guy you are?
thicko council estate chav woman
Why are you still repeating that “thicko” thing about Rayner? Hoping the slur sticks? Why did you turn on her? Is it just because of what she said about the previous leader when he failed to respond well to that EHRC report?
I think it's definitely time the Labour upper echelons were shaken up a bit, and a lot more people from working class backgrounds were represented in the senior membership. It still is very much an elite group who are really at the top of the party. People like Angela Rayner can only go so far; anyone wanting to get anywhere near power in the Labour party, still needs to play that establishment game. And that's what lies at the root of Labour's woes; the senior ranks are far too full of people who have no connection whatsoever with their potential voters and the electorate in general. Perhaps a few more 'council estate chavs' are what's needed, to give Labour that 'party of the people' appeal. Because when you're being outplayed at that game, by an old Etonian rugger bugger, you've really lost your way. So maybe it's time for a ground up rebuild, rather than trying to shore up just the ceiling?
superior city lawyer boss.
Human rights lawyer. Not much call for that expertise in the city.
Ernie? Seriously, are you still rattling on about my local boozer?
Can I just ask why you all find it so endlessly fascinating that we seem to now have 2 threads dedicated to it?
It's not some microcosm of society, or anything special. Its just a standard boozer with some racist regulars. Thats all.
Though there have been developments about the latest additions to the outside space
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People like Angela Rayner can only go so far
What? She's now got more titles than a South American dictator
You know exactly who, thicko council estate chav woman who ran rings around her superior city lawyer boss. She’ll march them into the future armed with a crate of strongbow dark fruits, 20 B&H and a half eaten bag of chips.
@dazh Please tell me you are not serious with this description?
Why are you still repeating that “thicko”
Kelvin I think you have misunderstood. My thicko comments are entirely ironic, because as it turns out it would appear Ms Rayner is operating on a higher level to her politically inept boss and his advisors.
She was wise enough to get the Deputy Leader post nailed on early, rather than get pulled in to the race to be Leader at the worst time... she's a smart operator.
https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1398926378964328451?s=19
Think Labour ought get someone to talk to them about audio compression/ sound recording?
15s in.
What a shoddy outfit.
Of course pedant warning but there is no excuse for this especially when the Tories know how to manipulate social media.
People like Angela Rayner can only go so far
She's literally one job away from as far up as she could climb right now.
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails, and yet you fall for it Every Single Time…
I think we're all aware that binners likes to shutdown any chance of grownup debate.
It’s not some microcosm of society
And yet that is exactly the point you were trying to make when you invited everyone to come down to your local pub.
Apparently it would help us to understand why Labour was going to lose the Hartlepool by-election.
Are you still rattling on about my local boozer?
It's almost as if I'm holding onto a theme and won't let go, isn't it binners?
I know you would never do anything like that. Just the one off comment about 6th.formers, or some hilarious comment regarding Monty Python, or maybe the equally hilarious "U OK HUN? X", never to be repeated.
You have never banged on endlessly, for literally years, on the same theme.
Perhaps a few more ‘council estate chavs’ are what’s needed, to give Labour that ‘party of the people’ appeal. Because when you’re being outplayed at that game, by an old Etonian rugger bugger, you’ve really lost your way. So maybe it’s time for a ground up rebuild, rather than trying to shore up just the ceiling?
Well they first need to stand for election so I guess the Labour party could ensure ensure only people of the people can stand? But how come the people who have recently switched to vote Tory are voting for Tories who are not people of the people, is that what the voters actually want?
Don't ask me, where I live the vast majority of people have voted for Desmond Swayne for over 20 years...
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails,
Aka trolling to make the political threads all about him, then feigning surprise/horror when it succeeds.
It’s almost as if I’m holding onto a theme and won’t let go, isn’t it binners?
Hehehe well played
or insinuating they are ‘conspiracy theorist nutjobs’,
There's nobody who fits that description on here. Just for the record.
Think Labour ought get someone to talk to them about audio compression/ sound recording?
Hehe the bit from 15 secs where she has the mask on makes it look like she is the one making those extremely loud bird noises. It's all very BrassEye and bizarre.
Monty Python never gets old.
Well, the relevant highlights posted here don't, any way. Binners "repetitive" jokes tend to come up when the same posters make much the same points again and again for years. I take them to be him making a deep sighing noise in a form that can be posted on a forum. Even when they aren't funny, you know the release is doing him good.
Dodds should stay in the background, she really can't do media of any kind. She's hopeless at it.
Binners “repetitive” jokes tend to come up when the same posters make much the same points again and again for years.
They come up because it's much easier to attack the poster rather than address the point they are making. I realise that I'm giving him more of the attention he so obviously craves.
Binners does address points made. He just doesn't always so in a serious manner. We can all sometimes (often?) be too dismissive of others. I've seen examples of many of the people posting here right now doing it. I've done it, for sure. If his posts are more memorable... well... persuade him to let you sponsor him or something.
Binners does address points made.
Well no, that is the opposite of what he does. He seeks to deride the person making the point by dismissing them as too young, too old or too communist. It's pretty much the definition of ad hominem.
It's interesting that when others play the same game, there's a reaction.
Binners does address points made. He just doesn’t always so in a serious manner
Aka fails to address them and just goes for tiresome ad hominem attacks.
I havent seen any evidence he is actually capable of a serious discussion. I mean he is deluded enough to think a public inquiry would actually be useful ffs.
Is it safe to talk about Kier Starmer on the Starmer thread yet?
> checks back through the last few pages <
Yup, lots of points addressed by Binners... he really should consider a sponsorship deal though, with all the interest shown in him.
Kelvin I know you're a fan boy of binners but trying to claim he doesn't constantly mischaracterise/insult/goad/troll the people he disagrees with is really not convincing. Yes it's not all he does but it's a fairly large proportion and it's extremely tedious. It's football tribalism applied to politics.
Even when they aren’t funny, you know the release is doing him good.
Aww bless...,.no, I didn't know that.
I had no idea that his regular not-very-funny-although-possibly-once-funny comments and insults are simply a release that are doing him good.
To be honest I had no idea he was that sensitive.
Binners, you okay hun? xx
I think he’s extremely patient, all things considered. People can be utter tools on the internet, this forum is no exception. Still… any chance we could find a way of getting back to Starmer…?
Is it safe to talk about Kier Starmer on the Starmer thread yet?
Well right there is the problem. Keir Starmer is so devoid of personality, inspiration, vision, and policies, there is actually very little to talk about.
Which presumably is why binners wants to talk about Corbyn, Momentum, Len McCluskey, anyone, even Jo Biden, other than Starmer, on a thread about Starmer.
I think he’s extremely patient
Binners saint-like patience is the stuff of legend down the Rose and Crown.
Ever since the door hit his arse on the way out.
When is the next PMQs?
School catch-up "tsar" resigns over funding fiasco.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57335558
Ever since the door hit his arse on the way out.
I thought we’d established that didn’t happen? I can’t keep up. Last I saw he was reading the guardian in a pub shocked into silence by his liberal militant wokeness.
On a point of order, what do we think council estate queen Angie Rayner would do in a similar situation?
School catch-up “tsar” resigns over funding fiasco.
Something the front bench have been “banging on about” for over a year (normally replied to by a minister or the PM with some nonsense about Labour not wanting kids to go to school).
Kelvin stop trying to change the subject, we’re still on Rose and Crown-gate 😀
I think he’s extremely patient, all things considered
Dismissing arguments through ad hominem attacks doesn't strike me as patient.
Daz - Angela Rayner would definitely pan somebody out in the rose and crown. Probably with an actual pan. A massive one.
As for Rose and Crown-gate; I was expecting CCTV footage by now. Come on you lefty Colombo’s. Sort your act out
Well to get to the bottom of happened on that fateful day binners, which had such a profound and lasting effect on your drinking habits, would require me to make a 250 mile car journey to the now infamous Rose and Crown.
Whilst I relish the thought of questioning all the suspects involved in this tragic altercation I find how you teasingly divulge snippets of new information quite fascinating and challenging.
I am now building this scenario which goes along the lines : One day, for reasons which aren't fully explained, you have this "massive barney" with everyone in the Rose and Crown, immediately followed by a period of tense and deathly silence which is only punctuated by the occasional rustling sound of you turning the pages of your Guardian newspaper, and the gulping sound of you finishing your pint.
At some point, presumably after have finished your pint, you stand up and loudly exclaim to the whole pub, "you are all bigots".
After which you exit the premises and the thunderous sound of a door being slammed is heard.
Once again the pub descends into silence until, according to your inside contact, someone pipes up "what's a bigot?"
How's that binners? I know it's probably not be perfect but it's pretty close, isn't it, eh?
Angela Rayner would definitely pan somebody
I’d pay good money to watch that. I can only hope you’re right and she brings her uncouth council estate temper to PMQs some day in a pissed up rant at all the pig-f****** Tory boys. Maybe that’s what Starmer should do. The red wall is there for the taking, all it needs is some swear words and cheap alcohol.
So, Starmer should have white lightning on and with his cornflakes just before PMQs.
That could liven things up a little but his background would probably hold him back.
Yep, Rayner on the sauce and delivering home truths to any of the tory front bench would be...priceless and worth a load of votes.
We can all dream...
Ernie, you’re absolutely on the money.
What’s even better is that according to my mate Kaz, who was working behind the bar at the time, is that there was then a animated, disgruntled discussion (once they’d had it explained to them what one was) about why it was allowed for me to call them bigots, yet they weren’t allowed to call people ‘the N word’ or ‘the P word’ (they obviously used the full words at this point).
That’s the level of intelligence and awareness we’re dealing with here
It’s political correctness gaaaawn maaaad
but his background would probably hold him back
You mean because his dad was a toolmaker and he was first in his family to go to uni? Or 'cause his mum was a nurse, making him posh?
Starmer should have white lightning on and with his cornflakes
By all accounts he’s a single malt man. That might explain his meek demeanour. I’ve never met an aggressive whiskey drinker. His advisors would do well to spike him with some buckfast. Politics would be a completely different ball game.
You mean because his dad was a toolmaker and he was first in his family to go to uni? Or ’cause his mum was a nurse, making him posh?
Although he can speak for himself I am sure that Frank was referring to Starmer's background as a former Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service who was privately educated in one of the most affluent parts of the UK.
That's how I read it anyway.
Some northern working-class cloth cap wearing pasty eaters like binners would struggle to identify with him.
my dad was a toolmaker and my mum was a nurse.
Ironic eh?
Northern 'pasty' eaters ?
Thats me... prefer a mince pie to a pasty (meat mince not Christmas mince)
Me Dad was a labourer amd me Mam a cleaner... i am a proper working class hero dont ya know 🙂
I was pulling your plonka binners, I know you are proper posh. You go out on the piss with a copy of the Guardian FFS.
my dad was a toolmaker
Mine too! (Well something like that, he’s a ninja with a hammer anyway). Sadly my mum wasn’t a nurse, just a minimum wage factory clone. I’ve no idea why that’s relevant though. After observing the reality of the old school working class work ethic I decided that killing myself working to make bosses rich was a bloody stupid idea. 😀
You go out on the piss with a copy of the Guardian FFS.
Pretty sure Binners is one of the four people in the country who still buy a paper one. At least he won’t have to tolerate the repeated begging messages and guilt trips about how many articles you’ve read recently.
I don’t care what class you are or where you come from, sitting and reading a proper paper copy of the Guardian while sat in the pub with a pint is one of life’s simple joys.
Ernie, I was referring to Starmer's innate common decency - possibly over developed; not going to discuss that any further.
Daz, you say you have never met an aggressive whisk(e)y drinker; really?
I thought you were a man of the world - and from the true north.
Come with me for a weekend in my home town of Wallsend; now 100+ miles away and...breathe deeply.
Industrial heritage - which, I think, still persists - chaps drink beer until they've had enough volume then move on to spirits; typically dark spirits so...whisky, brandy, rum.
Rum'n'pep was always a favourite in mining areas; absolutely vile drink.
I've seen plenty of pissed up, aggressive, whisky fuelled arses; regrettably, I cannot excuse myself from that canon - many years ago, I'm pleased to say.
I'm now either a little more civilised - or a little less uncivilised.
Off for a sip off Sauternes now; that would get me crucified in Wallsend.
In view of comments establishing 'working class credentials' I present mine for review/comment/criticism.
My Dad served his time as a blacksmith with Swan Hunter (ship builders) in Wallsend where his father had served his time and then worked as a boiler-maker.
My mother worked in a hat factory in Galway (Eire) before moving to the UK and marrying; she wanted a little part-time job which she found.
When my brother and I approached O levels (as they were then) my father insisted my mother gave up her little part-time job to focus on their children's education, exam success and everything that led to; she did and we (brother & I) benefitted.
Different world now.
Their unshakeable view was that they would do everything possible to ensure their children had the best possible chances in life.
Both long dead but eternally grateful for their attitude and behaviour.
All of my schoolmates had parents with exactly the same views.
That ends tonight's reminiscence special.
Why the apparent obsession with parents class background? Isn't social mobility a recognised thing? How does what your parents were define you? Even within siblings there can be significant class differences.
Why the apparent obsession with parents class background?
This is what I was getting at. I looked at my parents and the working class culture they were part of and thought ‘f*** that!’. There was a way out back then for anyone who wanted out, but now that’s much more difficult.
That’s really what Starmer should be concentrating on. There’s an open goal around a radical programme to bring back social mobility, but he’s scared of pissing off the middle classes with their property portfolios.
Social mobility justifies the system and makes it appear meritocratic. Doesn't matter who your parents were, it's your class location and politics that count. It's class inequality that needs attacking, not insufficient mobility. I'm sure you can find all sorts of ex-working class and ethnic minorities in the tory party and so f what? It's what you do not what you were. Otherwise we go down the very tedious route of credentialism contests (which I'd win anyway, tee hee!).
Why the apparent obsession with parents class background?
Because it is an antidote to the typical Tory MPs background and to show Labour MPs are more like the people who are voting for them.
The evidence shows that really doesn't matter though as those previously lifelong Labour voters were happy to vote for Johnson who's background couldn't have been further from them.
Starmer won't ever be more popular with the voters than Johnson, no matter what he does.
Doesn’t matter who your parents were, it’s your class location and politics that count. It’s class inequality that needs attacking, not insufficient mobility.
I couldn't agree more. Class mobility is traditionally the right-wing 'solution' to social injustice.
In fact the Tory Party can provide stunning examples of social mobility.
But social mobility is a two-way street. It doesn't in any way guarantee social justice.
The theory, much loved by Guardian readers, that everyone one can be middle-class is great if you believe that you can have a middle without any ends. The Tories take it a bit further and claim that everyone can be super rich.
Starmer won’t ever be more popular with the voters than Johnson, no matter what he does.
...being common doesn't give you the common touch. Ha well. He's a man of the my sort of people.
Social mobility justifies the system and makes it appear meritocratic.
Depends what you mean by social mobility. All I’m talking about is being able to break out of whatever situation you were born into. In my case that was a life of being stuck in the same village, getting pissed in the local every weekend and working my bollocks off in a job I hate. With a modicum of effort you could change that back in my day, now though you need parents with money.
The governments pathetic announcement yesterday about the piddling amount of funding being given for kids who've suffered educationally over the last year shows just how committed they are to social mobility.
Namely, they couldn't give a flying **** about it.
They're quite content that disadvantaged kids have suffered the most educationally, whereas the rich and middle classes have emerged with their advantages further entrenched.
https://twitter.com/labourpress/status/1400137086913613824?s=20
Namely, they couldn’t give a flying **** about it.
I agree. Looking forward to hearing what Keir plans to do about it. I presume it’ll be more than ‘we need to do better’.
Kate Green is actually pretty impressive. Mind you, when the education secretary is Frank Spencer Gavin Williamson there are items of furniture or pot plants that would look brighter and more competent
They’re quite content that disadvantaged kids have suffered the most educationally, whereas the rich and middle classes have emerged with their advantages further entrenched.
Maintaining that future bank of unqualified workers who'll be forced to take shit jobs for shit money. Fair play to the guy resigning, though already(literally) yesterday's news
Did they have PMQs yesterday or are they in recess?
EDIT - lazy sods are off this week again!!!!
I think I'll leave this here since everyone seems to be trying to out-working class each other.
I'm not sure what these imaginary "sides" are.
I've never called you anti-Semitic, I just questioned your use of an anti-Semitic trope. And would do so again.
The theory, much loved by Guardian readers, that everyone one can be middle-class is great if you believe that you can have a middle without any ends. The Tories take it a bit further and claim that everyone can be super rich.
Spot on. The Blairite idea of creating a much larger 'middle class', similar to the US definition rather than drawing form traditional British concepts of 'class', depends on maintaining an 'underclass' who can still be relied upon to do all the shit jobs the 'milieu nouveau' don't want to, because they are above the 'common herd'. You still need a bottom, for a middle to exist. But Blairism is only really about selling an illusion; the reality is that more people are now closer to the bottom than the top, as it only ever truly benefitted the existing wealthy elites. The boom in homeowners will soon make way for generation after generation of renters, with nothing to fall back on as their parents have had to 'downsize' or even sell up completely, to pay for that route out from being the üntermensch. I'm starting to already see the effects of this, with people growing more resentful to older generations for squandering 'their' inheritance on things like supplementing their pensions, and paying for their old age care, as the safety net of the welfare state disintegrates. Some will end up with nice houses in Highgate, perhaps. Most won't.
I’ve never called you anti-Semitic, I just questioned your use of an anti-Semitic trope. And would do so again.
You were wrong. Move on.
Stop trying to attach my name to things I haven't said or done then. And I will not stop pointing out obvious anti-semetic tropes, even if posted due to ignorance rather than malice.
Lordy. You know the expression, 'when in a hole, stop digging'? That.
Let's be brutally honest here, keeping the masses uneducated suits the Tory agenda of having Spaffing Clowns for front men to force through their agenda.
depends on maintaining an ‘underclass’ who can still be relied upon to do all the shit jobs the ‘milieu nouveau’ don’t want to, because they are above the ‘common herd’.
Surely it was 'Blairism' that saw mass immigration as the answer to this. The Nu Labour government effectively imported an underclass by the million, precisely for this purpose.
Now that Brexit has forced all those people back to where they came from, surely it is now, in this post-Brexit free-for-all that we we will see the true creation of a 'native' underclass? The irony being that they actually got them to vote for their own downgrading to menial/slave labour
The welfare state is threadbare enough as it is now it's been stripped away. You can't even exist at a subsistence level on Universal Credit. Would anyone be remotely surprised if the next stage of Project Brexit will be to say to the unemployed that they won't be entitled to any benefits while theres fruit that needs picking or Boris's mate Tim needs barstaff?