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This.
Unfortunately it is the ultimate legacy of the Brexit vote. Politicians of all stripes feel the need to pander to intolerance to some degree. Obviously some absolutely revel in it, but even Labour still feel the need.
Unfortunately it is the ultimate legacy of the Brexit vote.
Really ......... you don't think that the Daily Mail was banging on about benefit claimants, whilst ignoring tax cheats, 20, 30, or 40 years ago?
I see it as the ultimate legacy of New Labour/ Tony Blair
Btw since a reference was made to Brexit, with regards to Keir Starmer's comment piece in the Mail on Sunday, I have just remembered that the Mail on Sunday passionately backed Remain:
I was astonished to see the other day that the government are going to tinker with the rules for buying council houses.
But they have time an energy to relax the restrictions on the city of London which were brought in after 2008. It would appear those of us who said Starmer would be a terrible PM and Reeves a disastrous chancellor have been completely vindicated. Looks like we'll have to prepare ourselves for a Badenock-Farage double act in 2029.
Go on, you know you want to sign it.
All those years being told we couldn't have a second referendum on Brexit because reasons and now all these people saying it's totally fine to demand another election.
Makes you wonder if there's something wrong with our education system.
All those years being told we couldn’t have a second referendum on Brexit because reasons and now all these people saying it’s totally fine to demand another election.
Er, the reason there wasn't a second referendum was because not enough people voted Labour, there is no other reason - Labour were committed to a second referendum in 2019, which probably contributed significantly to their defeat.
Perhaps someone should remind Keir Starmer that he has won the general election, now has a massive majority, and no longer needs to suck up to Daily Mail readers.
He has cleary realised that he no longer needs to placate pro-Palestinian voters, so perhaps his pledges to the Mail readers are through choice, not political expediency?
Currently 917,304 signatures meaning more than a few folk unhappy.
I’ve not seen the Mail/benefits stuff, but there’s been plenty of closing of tax loopholes and additional funding for chasing tax evaders already. More to come I suspect.
It would appear those of us who said Starmer would be a terrible PM and Reeves a disastrous chancellor have been completely vindicated. Looks like we’ll have to prepare ourselves for a Badenock-Farage double act in 2029.
Why they've wasted this opportunity to go for the most muddled, divisive and illiterate 'plan' - I haven't got a clue.
(Weren't they going to turn left when in power?)
Starmer with his recent comment about private equity is just the icing on the cake. And Liz Kendall is just off her rocker.
Who'd have thought taking literal maligned Tory tidbits would be a way forward?
It feels exactly the same as just before the election.
Zero hope and ideas, randomly served up. None of this is a surprise really. I was a bit conned by the resident hopeful Centrists and their wait-for-the-budget comments. Sigh.
All those years being told we couldn’t have a second referendum on Brexit because reasons and now all these people saying it’s totally fine to demand another election.
How do you know it's the same people?
Makes you wonder if there’s something wrong with our education system.
Liberal snobbery as always doing more harm than good.
I mean, yeah, fix material conditions but our man Starmer and Reeves prefers the likes of Blackrock for your future son.
Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!
cinnamon_girlFull Member
Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!
Whatever the final number , some of which will be from people signing multiple times ( very simple to do as there are no identity checks) I honestly think that the majority who sign the petition have unrealistic expectations that it will make a jot of difference because they have been led into doing so by social media posts which are not honest. There will now be a debate in parliament but as the likelihood of any change is minuscule as the government has to say in response is that they have a mandate to govern from the recent election and will continue to do so. What is your expectation cinnamon girl?
Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!
Ok?
So this tell us what exactly?
I dont think it is news that Starmer failed to carry every vote in the Uk. After all if he had then it would have been headline news since no other PM has ever come close.
I think all that can be said is a bunch of right wingers want a second chance which is a tad ironic given their attitude when they narrowly win.
@jimw It's sending a strong message especially as Labour received a low number of votes at the election as well as a low turn-out. The public are thoroughly disenchanted with these grifting politicians and I certainly don't remember any politicians having as many monikers as this empty vessel of a politician. No, it won't make a jot of difference, as you say, but I believe this politician to be very dangerous and only too willing to sell the UK down the river as per orders from his Davos chums. He is not serving the British public.
Is Starmer controlled by Davos?
but I believe this politician to be very dangerous and only too willing to sell the UK down the river as per orders from his Davos chums.
I'm no fan of Starmer but this is plainly silly. Could I politely suggest you step away from the internet for a while, it's clearly not doing you any good.
Ordinary people have had enough, that’s why so many signed.
You think the tories and reform are interested in 'ordinary' people? If you think Starmer is in the hands of cronies from Davos, wait til you see who Farage and the tories hang around with. If not Labour, who do you think is going to stand up for 'ordinary' people?
And what have they had enough of BTW? Inheritance tax on farms? Companies paying a bit more tax? Well-off pensioners not getting a handout to pay for their energy bills? Or are they more interested in the NHS, minimum wage and other things labour have done? They could have done a lot more yes, but getting rid of Labour is not the answer to the problem you have identified.
No, it won’t make a jot of difference, as you say, but I believe this politician to be very dangerous and only too willing to sell the UK down the river as per orders from his Davos chums
As opposed to the previous incumbents?
Fraud and error cost the taxpayer billions of pounds each year – but most of the potential loss goes undetected. Based on the Public Sector Fraud Authority’s (PSFA) methodology, we estimate that fraud and error cost the taxpayer £55 billion to £81 billion in 2023-24. Only a fraction of this is detected and known about – enabling investigation and recovery
Sauce:
https://www.nao.org.uk/overviews/the-impact-of-fraud-and-error-on-public-funds-2023-24/
The right wing are doing a bang up job of convincing some sections of society that black is white.
Ordinary people have had enough, that’s why so many signed.
I will bet money that this 'grass roots' petition started by some anonymous 'small business owner' will have right wing money behind it. You know what? Ordinary people have been mostly shafted by 14 years of Tory. I guess when the 'Farmer' (read Landowner) protest failed to move the dial, this is the next idea.
I will bet money that this ‘grass roots’ petition started by some anonymous ‘small business owner’ will have right wing money behind it.
It does seem to be a textbox example of astroturf.
I do like all the right wingers suddenly finding out the disadvantages of FPTP after benefiting from it for years.
I will bet money that this ‘grass roots’ petition started by some anonymous ‘small business owner’ will have right wing money behind it. You know what? Ordinary people
It's really choppy these days to call things out as 'right wing money' when your 'lefty' government courts big equity and wants to put the suffering back to work.
It’s really choppy these days to call things out as ‘right wing money’ when your ‘lefty’ government courts big equity and wants to put the suffering back to work.
Tbf, I don't think anyone is even pretending that we have a lefty government.
I once started a petition for Walkers crisps to revert to the ‘proper’ crisp packet colours where salt & vinegar are blue and cheese & onion are green. Anything else is just a sick perversion, no doubt instigated by the opaquely funded ‘Big Crisp’ who probably have links to Keir Starmer. Probably..,
Anyway… they didn’t do it. There really is only one conclusion you can reach from this. We’re all clearly now living in a Stalinist dictatorship and Starmer is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao and …. erm… Stalin, all rolled into one
Tbf, I don’t think anyone is even pretending that we have a lefty government.
The people reading the heil do. Which ultimately is the problem of trying to kiss their arses.
It wont work and will just piss off anyone who doesnt think Hitler is a bit of a leftie.
Tbf, I don’t think anyone is even pretending that we have a lefty government.
Still pretending or just changed their mind?
We’re all clearly now living in a Stalinist dictatorship and Starmer is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao and …. erm… Stalin, all rolled into one
When you have to screech at an extreme to defend the current shambles.
Indeed. Looking at the kind of people that the Starmer government is really pissing off, they’re clearly doing something right
Also… is anyone else feeling the irony of lots of right wing nutters starting an online petition?
Online petitions are a bit…. you know…
Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!
"We've had enough!"
Scream the red-faced masses.
And what they really mean, like every other privileged group, is "we want more".
And there's always a pied piper to lead them on.
It's so pathetic, I don't know whether to laugh or despair!
Also… is anyone else feeling the irony of lots of right wing nutters starting an online petition?
Yup, and not least because the current prime minister has just written a piece for the Mail on Sunday having a go at one of their favourite target - benefit claimants. Ironic indeed.
Online petitions are a bit…. you know…
QUICK someone call Binners since we need a tedious meme image about those nasty lefties and Corbyn.
Oh wait a minute.
Never mind.
Monbiot can be a plonker, but much of this article is spot on.
QUICK someone call Binners since we need a tedious meme image about those nasty lefties and Corbyn.
Oh wait a minute.
Never mind.
Well, **** it. A few middle englanders aren't getting everything they want handed to them on a platter.
Might as well turf out the first Labour government in 14 years of austerity and give Farage a go.
It's what Keir Hardie would have wanted.
Christ. I agree with daz. Must be the second time this year. I feel feint.
I was going to come back with a witty riposte, but I'm agreeing with him for once as well. To be fair, I probably agree with him quite a lot of the time, but this time agree with how it was written.
Whilst I'm disappointed that Starmer has failed to deliver what he promised when he became leader, I'm not sure a Russian bot farmed petition will lead to a better alternative, given the choices available.
And to be fair, the mainly right wing press has focused on the bad policies rather than the good ones
Whilst I’m disappointed that Starmer has failed to deliver what he promised when he became leader, I’m not sure a Russian bot farmed petition will lead to a better alternative, given the choices available.
Admirable. But it won't stop the Russian bot farms trying.
Why would they stop? The UK electorate has shown itself to be unbelievably gullible on several occasions. It doesn't cost them anything.