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If you push the agenda of McLusky & Corbin, you will NEVER EVER EVER get elected.
There is research showing a great deal of support for much of the Labour manifesto under Corbyn, when presented independently of political party/leader.
So people didn't like Corbyn, fine. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. As the Tories lurch further to the right why not provide a real alternative rather than chasing the new centre as it shifts ever further right too.
Blair undoubtedly did some good but a lot of it was paid for with the great PFI scam because they were too scared to tax people.
So people didn’t like Corbyn, fine. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Agreed.
Are we all getting free broadband then, or not?
Fine. Keep your heads in the sand. I would vote for Starmer, but in the last GE I voted Green as Corbyn completely unfit for office and I detest McLusky (seen him in action in my company). I am not alone.
My family are all similar.
Fine. Keep your heads in the sand.
Well-constructed comeback.
Are we all getting free broadband then, or not?
We absolutely should be. The fact that you and most others think that its an unaffordable policy is proof only that you've been brainwashed into not supporting things that are in your own best interest. It's a bit like saying 'so are we all getting a free covid vaccine then?'. Of course the answer to that is an unambiguous yes (when one is ready), so why not for other things we need which are in the collective best interest?
I urge you to read the following twitter thread, once you understand it you'll realise that questions about whether we can afford free broadband or other things central to our lives are a bit silly.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330492226678513669?s=20
So people didn’t like Corbyn, fine. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
That's pretty much where I am: whilst I'm more supportive of Corbyn than most, I recognise his serious shortcomings as leader. Yet, given the popularity of his proposals, there would seem to be an opportunity for someone, with more PR savvy and better leadership skills. I hope that Starmer can be that person.
We absolutely should be.
Agreed.
I hope that Starmer can be that person.
Agreed.
I detest McLusky
Agreed.
I detest McLusky
Agreed.
He's retiring soon, so I wouldn't worry too much about him. It'll be interesting to see who UNISON elect - I've just voted.
Christ, how refreshing to see the word...
Agreed.
... on a political thread on here! 🙂
Once Len is retired he'll be getting his ennoblement for services to the Conservative Party and will sit in the house of Lords as a Tory Pier, where he will drop the accent he's been putting on for years and reveal his perfect home counties vernacular
He's not even a scouser. He was born and raised in Surrey, then post Eton and Oxbridge, after studying some VHS's of John Lennon, he was secreted into the port of Liverpool where he worked as a docker for approximately 3 days before ingratiating himself with the trade union movement and moving to London to destroy the Labour party from within. In his quest he recruited to the cause a handy bearded idiot he met in an Islington church hall meeting where he was protesting, demanding the extending of employment rights and pension provisions to the cats and dogs of social care workers, as they were part of the struggle too.
Through this career as an undercover Tory, Len (real name Bartholomew De Pfeffel Ponsomby-Smythe) had to be repeatedly reigned in by his handlers for over-egging the whole working class thing to a degree that it was becoming a completely absurd and ridiculous caricature that risked blowing his cover
Agreed. (from Kelvin)
So do you think Starmer will propose to provide free broadband? Of course he won't, because he refuses to challenge the one thing that obstructs the possibility of all these common sense policies whiich would solve a lot/most of our problems. Why won't he challenge it? Because he's not the champion of the people who would benefit (all of us), but primarily the representative of those who benefit from the currrent system.
Corbyn for all his faults at least gave a clear indication that he would challenge the system, and people believed him. Up against unassailable establishment opposition he failed, but the hope/ambition of his supporters hasn't gone away, and Starmer harnessed that to win the leadership. Now he needs to follow through on those promises or his own leadership will fail just like the failed establishment centrists before him.
Binners have you read that thing about QE yet? Or is that all sixth form marxist fantasy too?
So do you think Starmer will propose to provide free broadband?
No. The Labour party's next general election manifesto is unlikely, I expect, to chime with my own policy wants as closely as either the 2017 or 2019 manifestos did. Starmer has a big challenge ahead, as regards winning over voters that rejected Labour at those elections, and keeping people, like me, who were new to Labour because of the very real shift in that 2017 manifesto. The universal state provided broadband policy is absolutely one I support (remember, the state pays the main private provider to extend broadband coverage already, they just keep failing), but I fully expect it to be dumped before the next election... along with other policies that seemed like kite flying to much of the public in 2019. Policies on education, health, the environment and local services are more important to me, and important to more people.
Or is that all sixth form marxist fantasy too?
I think you need to provide a colouring book version.
You can just hear the conversation now in No 10.
Blohard: Shit. We're in trouble here. We all know Brexit will be a disaster and we are going to be exposed for exploiting covid to enrich our mates. What can we do?
Aide: No problem. Don't worry. We'll just leak something to wind that silly old tw*t Corbyn up. Our mates in the press will seize on whatever petty revenge he tries to get and splash it under a headline that reads 'Would Things Be Better Under Labour?' It's great, we thought we'd be struggling against a former DPP and QC, but we don't need to get to him. We just push Grandpa's buttons and it's job done. Pass the port.
You can just hear the conversation now in No 10.
Perhaps in your fantasies although could you remind me how exactly this relates to reality?
Since you seem to be confusing Starmer picking a fight to please the rabid right wing press vs Corbyn picking the fight.
I think you need to provide a colouring book version.
Well let me summarise. Everything successive governments have told you about government spending is a lie. The magic money tree is real, and its operated by the Bank of England at the behest of the government. Since 2009 they've been using it to successfully prop up the banks and the financial sector, and the banks and financial services companies have done very well out of it, as have private sharelholders. Since covid began they've been using it to fund all the borrowing and spending needed to fund the furlough scheme, the NHS and prop up businesses. Except this time its more direct, and the government have changed the rules so that the money created is listed as government debt even though they owe it to themselves. This enables them to continue with the austerity narrative of having to pay it back, when the opposite is true. Almost a trillion pounds has been created in the last 10 years to prevent the collapse of the economy from the banking crisis and covid and it never has to be paid back.
So is it really a marxist fantasy to ask if they can do all this to prop up the economy in the wake of covid and the banking crisis, why can't they do it for things like climate change and to eradicate poverty? You're making excuses for and supporting the very things which you profess to hate. Perhaps spend more time reading than copy and pasting funny pictures?
The magic money tree is real, and its operated by the Bank of England at the behest of the government.
I know how it works. I know that austerity was an idealogical project, as the ultra-austerity we're about to witness will be. I can see who's pockets the present massive state spending is ending up in. It'll pretty much all end up in offshore bank accounts in the Caymen Islands, I'm sure.
But it's not me you need to convince. Just to re-iterate: I've voted Labour at every single election my whole adult life. I even voted for that beardy old **** twice. I'm not the one who's votes labour need to win to get into power.
People who normally vote Tory will need to be persuaded to vote labour. Telling them that magic money trees are actually real is unlikely to do the trick and will just hand the Tory press yet another open goal.
If labour want to ever get back into power they're going to have to be wilier than that. The last two times of telling everyone they're wrong and you're right didn't exactly go too well.
'Winning the argument' - quite possibly the stupidest statement any politician has ever made - doesn't count for anything
My family are all similar.
Norfolk born and bred, eh?
So is it really a marxist fantasy to ask if they can do all this to prop up the economy in the wake of covid and the banking crisis, why can’t they do it for things like climate change and to eradicate poverty? You’re making excuses for and supporting the very things which you profess to hate.
This
I'm thinking 'let's become the Weimar Republic' might be an even tougher sell electorally than the free broadband
They were certainly unelectable with half their MPs against him and some actively wanting to lose the election. But that’s in the past, so whatever.
I'm still wanting a more in-depth explanation of this little beauty.
Just for the avoidance of doubt it is about 3/4 down the previous page and was posted by grum about Corbyn's election fail last December. Apparently it was all down to a fifth column of Labour MPs....
I've got biccies and everything ready.
The magic money tree is real
Mugabe, Weimar, Venezuala, <insert your choice of hyperinflation disaster here>, etc.
Not an easy sell.
Regardless of what you believe about where the folding stuff comes from and the environment, binners is right about Labour getting in to #10. You're not the target market - few of us on STW are, I suspect.
Apparently it was all down to a fifth column of Labour MPs….
I never said all, nice straw man.
It's not even controversial to point out that factional infighting has been massively detrimental to Labour's chances of electoral success.
Blame it all on 'the left' and Corbyn if you want - you might have a nasty surprise when the Tories get a vaguely competent person in charge though.
Jesus Christ they had a coup against him, they planned resignations to cause the most damage possible. Some refused to ever serve in his cabinet before he was elected leader. Are you seriously denying that some MPs were against him?
Also Corbyn lost to Boris so did Remain. What does that say about the argument for Remain?
It’s not even controversial to point out that factional infighting has been massively detrimental to Labour’s chances of electoral success.
Agreed.
We need to learn the lesson of that.
I see little evidence of that right now.
What does that say about the argument for Remain?
That it was lost, and that we’re no longer EU members?
What does that say about the argument for Remain?
That their referendum cause would have been greatly assisted by the leader of the opposition, who decided to take a 2 month sabbatical on his allotment instead
Lol he's unelectable/ he would have saved Remain. Which is it?
BTW he came to Cardiff and spoke to thousands of people early on in the campaign, maybe he just did one rally though?
Do we want a credible and electable Labour Party or not?
Hint - just saying "Corbyn could have done it if everyone wasn't so nasty to him" doesn't really cut it.
He lost by 80 seats to an empty (as well as rumpled and poorly fitting) suit.
I'm not sure I have the time to carry on pointing out the bleeding obvious to people who just can't or won't acknowledge it.
You've got me beat, guys. Problem is, it isn't me you needed to convince.
Up the PFJ!
Lol he’s unelectable/ he would have saved Remain. Which is it?
I think Binners has been quite straight forward in stating his wish that someone else had been Labour leader during the referendum campaign. He’s hardly hidden that. Still… take this to the Corbyn thread. Or save it for the pub next summer [fingers crossed] it’s irrelevant here and now.
Leave the PFJ jokes to binbins and Mark Francois.
Leave the PFJ jokes to binbins and Mark Francois.
Sorry, forgot the PFJ is the one true path.
I'll take the piss out of the JPF instead. Sworn enemies that they are.
I'm out now. It's waste of time anyway.
You are correct
Mugabe, Weimar, Venezuala, <insert your choice of hyperinflation disaster here>, etc.
Please do some reading. There are numerous books and free resources on the internet that describe MMT, and once you do some research you'll realise that the risk of hyperinflation is negligible for all sorts of reasons. No one is suggesting uncontrolled money printing. Quite the opposite in fact. What is being suggested is that the tools we use to fight wars and combat things like the banking crisis and Covid can also be applied to other crises such as climate change and poverty.
I know how it works...
But it’s not me you need to convince.
I know you know how it works, which why I'll never understand why whenever anyone suggests changing this ridiculous system you respond with Monty Python and Citizen Smith images. I firmly believe that if the general population properly understood this stuff they'd be on the streets demanding it be done away with. Deep down they know they're being shafted, but they think it can't be changed, and that's mostly because parties who aren't the tories are too scared to make the case.
I firmly believe that if the general population properly understood this stuff they’d be on the streets demanding it be done away with.
Firstly, how? Secondly, the trouble with "firm beliefs" is they rarely change in the face of evidence.
Firstly, how?
How what?
I firmly believe that if the general population properly understood this stuff they’d be on the streets demanding it be done away with.
Mate... a majority of the northern working class just voted for the ultimate far right project - Brexit - then delivered a whacking great majority to an Eton chumocracy because they’d ‘had enough of experts’
Turkeys... Christmas...
Good luck with educating them on the fundamental inequalities of Chicago School, neoliberal economics and getting them to rise up against their oppressors
Maybe a better option would be to try and speak to a broad enough swathe of voters to get you elected then set about trying to make society a bit more equal and taming the wilder excesses of capitalism?
Some bloke thought so a while back and won 3 consecutive elections, and though the sixth formers will all fail to acknowledge it, did a lot of good.
Oh... and in response to the next post
IRAQ!!!!
Yes, it was/is a disaster
But you can’t view everything through the prism of that
How what?
Ensure that the...
general population properly understood this stuff
Maybe a better option would be to try and speak to a broad enough swathe of voters to get you elected then set about trying to make society a bit more equal and taming the wilder excesses of capitalism?
Some bloke thought so a while back and won 3 consecutive elections,
What exactly did he do to tame the wilder excesses of capitalism?
What exactly did he do to tame the wilder excesses of capitalism?
What about this, that, and the other? Or we could try to take it a point at a time. Starting with getting elected, then argue whether health spending, say, should have tripped rather than just doubled.
What exactly did he do to tame the wilder excesses of capitalism?
I'd write you a list - yet again - but we've been here countless times and it's getting repetitive
Just ask yourself what the UK would have looked like by 2010 if we'd have had the Tories in power for those 13 years instead of Blair and Brown?
Have a look around you today and take note of what they've done since 2010 and what they're presently up to, then imagine if they'd have got started on all that 13 years earlier
If nothing else Blair gave us optimism and hope. In the late 90's things really did seem like they could only get better especially in his first term.
Corbyn did the same for a certain group but unfortunately was detested by a bigger group so was always bound to fail.
Starmer? Not sure yet, we'll see.
When was the last time a Tory led government made you feel optimistic?
Ensure that the…
Education and transparency, and some politicians who are willing to talk about it. It's not hard to explain that the nations finances are not the same as a household's, and yet all the time we hear the same nonsense about national overdrafts, saddling our children with debt etc..
Maybe a better option would be to try and speak to a broad enough swathe of voters to get you elected then set about trying to make society a bit more equal and taming the wilder excesses of capitalism?
Is that the limit of your ambition? As I've said before, if we're not prepared to fundamentally change a system which has proven itself unfit for purpose then there isn't really any point in politics. We might as well have a one party system where policy is decided by technocrats (I'd argue we already have that). At least then we could plan long term instead of this charade of democracy.
Is that the limit of your ambition?
My ambition is to see a labour governemnt
We might as well have a one party system where policy is decided by technocrats (I’d argue we already have that).At least then we could plan long term instead of this charade of democracy.
Technocrats? Are you mental? This government are embarked on the biggest right-wing idealogical project this country has ever seen. Technocrats? If only! Technocrats might be able to establish a test and trace system that reached more than half the people it was meant to. Technocrats might know their arses from their elbows.
And if you seriously believe that a centrist labour administration under Starmer would be carrying on anything like the Tory's presently are then you need your bumps feeling. Do you reckon Lisa Nandy would be dishing out £250 million PPE contracts to her husbands mates?
We know that you want some type of revolution. Thats obvious. Most people just want a government run by people who aren't so nasty and corrupt and displayed a reasonable level of competence
We know that you want some type of revolution.
Rubbish. I want a system which does what is required to tackle climate change, where the likes of Amazon and facebook pay tax, where kids get free education up to university level, where public utilities are operated in the interests of the people not their shareholders, and where politicians are properly accountable. That's it, it's hardly revolutionary. I look forward to Kier Starmer implementing all this. How much would you like to bet that he doesn't?
Some bloke thought so a while back and won 3 consecutive elections, and though the sixth formers will all fail to acknowledge it, did a lot of good.
Whereas those who managed to get beyond colouring crayons also note it did a lot of bad.
Those northerners didnt vote "ultimate far right project " they voted for a change, any change since they had noticed the glorious project of Blair of chasing the tories rightwards economically hadnt really helped them but had, in fact, screwed them over. Just look at the comments about politicians being all the same and so on.
Something the hard right was able to exploit ably aided by the useful idiots with their hilarious images and tedious repetition of the current attack lines.
. I firmly believe that if the general population properly understood this stuff they’d be on the streets demanding it be done away with. Deep down they know they’re being shafted, but they think it can’t be changed,
Education and transparency, and some politicians who are willing to talk about it.
You must see how trite this looks? You'd make sure the population understood some controversial economics by educating them?
How would you educate them?
I'd suggest that some politicians advancing an alternative view (which some have but I agree insufficiently - and we could discuss why this is a hiding to nothing) is a good thing for sure but demonstrably not enough to make a difference.
Also, not all economists agree (possibly the least controversial thing I've ever typed). Education is intrinsically good but it doesn't necessarily follow that once educated people will all agree with you.
Those northerners didnt vote “ultimate far right project ” they voted for a change, any change since they had noticed the glorious project of Blair of chasing the tories rightwards economically hadnt really helped them but had, in fact, screwed them over.
This absolutely. The public perception after 13 years of new labour was that nothing had fundamentally changed in their favour, and since then they have voted accordingly. The only time since then where they voted a bit differently, although sadly not in enough numbers, was 2017. I've also said before many times that the roots of Corbyn and brexit were sown by Blair and his failure to deliver fundamental change. This is what happens when a party which is supposed to represent the interests of workers fails to do that and instead represents the interests of capital. Starmer looks like he's going down the same route, and the results will be the same.
Just how damn lucky are the Tories??! How long have they been in power? And still everything is Labour's fault, or a reaction to the last Labour government (who I didn't vote for, but many people either can't remember, as they're too young, or misremember).
I’ve also said before many times
Indeed 🙂
Indeed
What can I say, I feel an automatic duty to respond to the popular myth that the Blair govt was a social democratic utopia. 🙂 (and I'm really bored at work so this is a welcome distraction)
I’d write you a list – yet again – but we’ve been here countless times and it’s getting repetitive
Just ask yourself what the UK would have looked like by 2010 if we’d have had the Tories in power for those 13 years instead of Blair and Brown?
Oh I am not one to say that the Blair/Brown years were all bad. However they burnt the candle at both ends, they did nothing to curtail the free market madness. The investment they provided into services still largely went to privatised outsourcers. And they funded most of it by seeding debt into the future through PFI and asset inflation. They continued with the worship of the city and financial sectors and treated them very much with a light touch, and oversaw an upturn in the offshoring of profit for tax evasion without even lifting a finger to regulate.
the popular myth that the Blair govt was a social democratic utopia
Has a single person suggested that is the case in this thread?
And still everything is Labour’s fault, or a reaction to the last Labour government
No its a statement about the flaws on the centrist project.
If it makes you feel better then Cameron added to this. Since after new labour charged rightwards economically Cameron did take the approach of being less conservative for some social policies.
Again resulting in people feeling they didnt really have good representation since there was no clear distinction between the parties which cared about the small group of centrists vs the larger groups of traditional voters since they were hoping they would just keep voting for them.
This is the problem with the centrist approach to things. They share the same "silent majority" belief with the frothing right wingers whilst busily ignoring the centrist party (although even that after orange book was dragged rightwards economically hence blurring its position) doesnt win every election by a landslide as would be expected if the centrist position was as popular as claimed.
Has a single person suggested that is the case in this thread?
Well to read binners and many on here you'd think that's what it was. Binners has even managed to persuade himself that the Iraq war wasn't all that bad after all and was a minor blip in an otherwise unblemished record. I suppose I also need to remind everyone of cash for questions, Mandelson being sacked twice for helping his russian and indian billionaire friends, and the general reek of cronyism which was just as bad as the tories display now.
Binners has even managed to persuade himself that the Iraq war wasn’t all that bad after all and was a minor blip in an otherwise unblemished record
Thats an interesting twisting of what I said.
Actually... the word I used to describe the Iraq War was a 'disaster'. Which it was and still is. What I then said is that you can't judge 13 years of new labour through the prism of the Iraq war.
And I've certainly never defended Peter Mandleson
the popular myth that the Blair govt was a social democratic utopia
Has a single person suggested that is the case in this thread?
No. But he won three elections and it doesn't matter what your policies are if you can't enact them.
No its a statement about the flaws on the centrist project.
Centrist is such an empty word. We have a mixed economy... the rules the government set, and the money the government controls... determines who that works for. I don't want a "New Labour" government... I want a Labour one... but if Starmer gets pushed out (and be under no illusions this what people from Corbyn's wife downwards are openly calling for) there is no chance of "unity"... the Labour party will shed members, supporters and voters from the Left, and the next leader will have nothing to stop them writing off all the policies of 2017 & 2019 as a complete aberration, rather than a welcome shift away from the less committed policies of previous years. Many people who I agree with substantially on policy are currently destroying the influence that left leaning parts of the Labour movement have.. and for what?
Well to read binners and many on here you’d think that’s what it was.
Nope, I've not read a single post that suggests that, from anyone. People have suggested that having a Tory government then would have been worse, which I find hard to disagree with... based on what happened before and since.
Can we add PFI to Iraq? I'm not a fan of free schools nor the expansion of faith schools either.
Can we add PFI to Iraq?
And university tuition fees. The single largest negative impact on social mobility in a long time, and unbelievably executed by a labour government.
Agree with all those negatives.
Repeat x100 … Starmer is not the new Blair … his replacement might have to be more like Blair though … push him out and the party will split, and the more successful part will abandon everything from 2017 … with the runt happy in their purity and safe from ever having to put theories into practise.
Centrist is such an empty word.
Yes I agree but centrist/moderates is the one the right wing of the Labour party seems to like. Neither of which are accurate since "centrist" begs the question of centre of what (plus fails to handle the inevitable shifting of it if only one side goes for the idea) and "moderate" is clearly bollocks considering how ideologically extreme many are.
We have a mixed economy
ermm yes? Although this is one of those bits where the hard right have done well in always just shouting free market/capitalist instead.
but if Starmer gets pushed out (and be under no illusions this what people from Corbyn’s wife downwards are openly calling for)
Odd that considering his behaviour eh?
We had the centrists/moderates nutters spending years attacking Corbyn and anyone left of centre whilst still demanding that it should be a broad church and they should be able to launch their rabid attacks unhindered.
Starmer was elected as someone in the middle able to unite the two halves but so far he seems to be pandering solely to the right side and coming across as a Blair mk 2 but minus any charisma and with the severe handicap of "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me".
He doesnt seem overly keen on party unity himself so should the left of the party just sit there and shrug?
Ultimately we need PR or something so we can represent the different views properly but sadly those morons in the libdems screwed that up for years to come.
Affordable housing disaster??
Average house price tripled under new labour
Brown and darlings green light for austerity measures??
Bombing foreigners
Religious nutter as leader
If it looks like a duck....
We had the centrists/moderates nutters spending years attacking Corbyn and anyone left of centre whilst still demanding that it should be a broad church and they should be able to launch their rabid attacks unhindered.
Many MPs that fit that vague and loaded description were pushed out of parliament into other roles (mayors etc) or out of the party completely (to non-political jobs or to sit as independents etc). That there was no ‘unity’ in recent years is incontrovertible … if many on the left seek vengeance for this, at the cost of no Labour rebuild towards the next general election… the negative impact will be on all of us.
Starmer was elected as someone in the middle able to unite the two halves but so far he seems to be pandering solely to the right side and coming across as a Blair mk 2
Sigh...
At the risk of repeating myself yet again... can you give us one single example of any policy changes that show him 'pandering to the right'?
All he's done is give Jeremy Corbyn a (thoroughly deserved) slapped wrist for his churlish failure to accept the findings of EHRC report in full. That's it!
He can't exactly let Grandad just carry on regardless after what he's done, can he? What message would that send out? Both about how seriously the party is taking the issue of AS and also about his leadership abilities?
At the risk of repeating myself yet again… can you give us one single example of any policy changes that show him ‘pandering to the right’?
It's a fair point: to provide the evidence you seek, Starmer would actually have to propose some policies.
He said when he took over as leader that he'd stick with Corbyns policy agenda and since then has changed not one single aspect of that policy agenda
So what exactly is your problem?
Many MPs that fit that vague and loaded description were pushed out of parliament into other roles (mayors etc) or out of the party completely (to non-political jobs or to sit as independents etc).
The original cabinet tried to cover all bases but they carried out a staged resignation en mass designed to cause the most damage.
Claiming they were pushed in most cases seems to be stretching the definition somewhat as opposed to them taking their ball home and refusing to play.
Even the minor efforts (reflecting other parties) to exert control were decried as Stalinist.
Remember they couldnt even get rid of Hoey, who makes most tories look a bit leftist, without her choosing to go.
That there was no ‘unity’ in recent years is incontrovertible … if many on the left seek vengeance for this
The question is why shouldnt they? What is being done to encourage them to remain and work as opposed to the demands to purge the unbelievers.
It seems to be reverting back to the demanding unquestioning support without actually providing some reasons to do so. Where are the ideas and policies to carry people along as opposed to the careful stacking of the party apparatus?
He said when he took over as leader that he’d stick with Corbyns policy agenda and since then has changed not one single aspect of that policy agenda
So what exactly is your problem?
You'll be happy to provide some examples then...
Off you pop and put a list together
I do like a list
1. Erm......
A list derived from a vacuum? Good one.
He hasn’t shifted policy. He will have to. Pretty obvious that without conferences it’ll have to wait. So what’s the anger about right now…? Which policies has he dumped? Or is it just about a person*, not the policies?
*and I don’t mean Starmer [ sorry, I’m stepping away now … ]
Binners: reliably living down to expectations.
From a Guardian interview last month:
During his campaign for the leadership, he sought support among the left by issuing “10 pledges”, signing up to much of the Corbynite prospectus. Starmer is now putting a lot of distance between himself and those pledges, using the coronavirus crisis as his alibi. “The slate has been wiped pretty clean for everyone,” he contends, arguing that the pandemic means that both Labour and the Tories “are going to have to fundamentally rethink what they want to offer the electorate in 2024”.
If that's not a clear admission that he will be ditching the Corbyn prospectus, I don't know what is.