of course not everyone on the left joined in with Johnson’s slur, and nor did everyone on the right as it happens.
According to you, : "as much by the left, as the right". Which sounds like quite a few on the left..... as much as on the right in fact.
But all you have come up with is Skwawkbox, some Scottish geezer who supported the Brexit Party, and another one who supported the LibDems and Scottish Nationalists.
Your evidence that as many on the left relished Johnson's Savile smear as did on the right is hardly overwhelming, is it?
I didn’t “come up with” Murray, someone else posted his blog on the matter in this thread, which was my only reason for referring to him. The other examples were off the top of my head/memory. I’m not going to waste time going back to find tweets and other posts and comments on social media by people on the left. There, you’ve bored me into giving up. No one on the left helped amplify Johnson’s slur, I just made it up, it never happened. Have a nice sleep.
So now you are not going to provide any evidence "that it was amplified as much by the left as the right" because I have bored you. Not because you haven't got any.
Well that's taught me....... now I will never see the evidence.
For what it is worth you have also bored me, you need to just let some things go rather than keep on, and on, and on about it clinging onto ever word someone has typed on an MTB forum.
you need to just let some things go
The trouble with that is that it’s the johnson/trump tactic of speaking untruths until everyone gets bored and it becomes accepted as truth. Kelvin wasn’t doing anything different to those on the right wing except his target was ‘the left’ (whoever they are) rather than Starmer.
I gave two quick examples off the top of my head, and pointed to an example posted in this thread. How many do I need to go and trawl up?
https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1491045187543769090?s=21
https://twitter.com/1swordoftruth/status/1491141526369767424?s=21
For what it is worth you have also bored me
Thank you for sharing that with me. Yes as you can imagine I am concerned to hear that people like yourself and Kelvin might be bored with me challenging your constant false accusations concerning the left.
Maybe what this thread needs is for everyone to agree as they do on the Brexit and Johnson threads to make it less boring.
Or more pictures from binners. Pictures always help to add a bit of interest.
https://twitter.com/skwawkbox/status/1489913788488949770?s=21
Including this wonderful line…
So there are apparently no records to show that Keir Starmer had ‘nothing to do with it’.
That’s enough going back through Twitter for today. It doesn’t make it easy to find older stuff, does it.
How many do I need to go and trawl up?
Apart from George Galloway? I don't think a man who backed the Brexit Party is very representative of the British Left.
To be honest I don't think George Galloway represents anyone other than himself.
The Morning Star on the other hand is widely seen to be representative of a significant section of the left within the Labour Movement, it was scathing in its attack on Johnson for attempting to smear Starmer over Savile.
And in case you have forgotten, you suggested that as many on the left as on the right backed Johnson's smear attempt.
Oh FFS, Social media was awash with left wing accounts trying to get Johnson’s slur to stick to Starmer, and calling it an establishment coverup that people across the political spectrum were denouncing it. I’m not spending the morning copy and pasting examples. Have a good day.
I’m not spending the morning copy and pasting examples.
LOL! George Galloway and skwawkbox?? I bet that took you hours!
Btw it is perfectly reasonable to talk of an establishment coverup with regards to Savile. The Morning Star makes that point in its editorial attacking Johnson for attempting to smear Starmer over Savile.
It points out that Johnson previously claimed that historic child abuse investigations were a waste of money, that Savile was very close to Margret Thatcher and the Tories, and what undoubtedly protected him was his connections with the establishment. Do you dispute that?
I haven't got hours. If I have time later, how many examples do you want? And, I repeat, citing a good piece in the Morning Star does not mean that all responses were the same.
FWIW a wheelchair using journalist who used to volunteer at Stoke Mandeville hospital 20 years ago said to me it was made very clear by the hospital that nobody new or young was to be left in a room alone with Sir Jimmy. If they all knew what he was up to the authorities weren't doing a very good job if they didn't.
citing a good piece in the Morning Star does not mean that all responses were the same.
It wasn’t just the morning star. Almost all the usual Twitter suspects (you know who they are) condemned Johnson, left wing labour MPs condemned Johnson, as did the main left wing commentators. The only people who didn’t were socialist worker cranks and loons.
The right wing were successful largely because they branded the mainstream left as extremist nutjobs. Your comment did exactly the same. Who needs enemies on the right when there are people supposedly on the left doing their job for them?
The only people who didn’t were socialist worker cranks and loons.
The right wing were successful largely because they branded the mainstream left as extremist nutjobs.
cognitive dissonance?
That's odd, my mate votes Tory but I supposed to that extent he could be described as a crank and a loon.
The latest opinion poll which was conducted yesterday gives Labour a 5% lead
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-14-february-2022/
cognitive dissonance?
I have a 25 year old problem with the socialist workers from my days as an environmental activist. Maybe they've changed in that period but the ones I came across were perfectly described as cranks and loons.
^^^I mean I agree, based on rock against racism and experiences with something called national union of school students further back in the day which turned out to be an SWP vehicle with fighting NF in town thrown in. They can be perfectly nice people with it of course, though not all. There's that culty thing of inveigling people in... It's just that from perspectives further to the right (so not mine) it could all look a bit, oh dear I'm going to say it, a bit people's front of judea. There. Post pic to taste.
it could all look a bit, oh dear I’m going to say it, a bit people’s front of judea. There. Post pic to taste.
When it comes to the socialist workers, I've no problem with monty python comparisons (I can think of far worse). My problem is with people who should know better painting the mainstream democratic socialist left (which includes Corbyn, Momentum et al) as one and the same.
The right wing were successful largely because they branded the mainstream left as extremist nutjobs. Your comment did exactly the same. Who needs enemies on the right when there are people supposedly on the left doing their job for them?
It's been a few pages since you've been advocating manning the barricades and setting fire to things so who knows where people get these ideas that the mainstream left are extremists?
One thing the left and the right have in common is they both hate the left...
Hilarious!
Come on Bill... fill in the gaps again please. What is this one about?
Oh, it's skwawkbox :
Yes, Corbyn was leader once, and so older photos will contain campaigning material with Corbyn on it. So?
He's just released a photo which was taken during the 2019 election campaign when Corbyn could pull out a crowd and it seems, to the inexpert eye, very badly photoshopped. A bit like Stalin and Trotsky's shoes. Apologies, it made me laugh.
Actually, I'm not sure the original wasn't photoshopped, which is doubly funny.
Another thread where a very small number of posters succeed in boring others away.
Why not send flowers, kiss'n'cuddle and move on?
a photo which was taken during the 2019 election campaign
Of course. Did you know there has been a pandemic? Have you heard of social distancing? That there are no more recent photos of him with constituency campaigners should come as no surprise. A non-story from a non-news source.
It's not photoshopped, it's from after Corbyn they've just used an old placard and got a kid to stand in front of the pic of uncle Jeremy. The other, photoshopped, image with the kid obscured is by some daring truth warrior exposing the lie at the heart of this travesty
Another thread where a very small number of posters succeed in boring others away.
That's the point I was making yesterday but apparently the endless bickering and point scoring is required otherwise;
"The trouble with that is that it’s the johnson/trump tactic of speaking untruths until everyone gets bored and it becomes accepted as truth. "
Anyone, I am bored of it and so are you but as long as the 3 important people can keep picking fights by scrutinising every word that has been written on a thread with around 6 people contributing on an MTB forum all is good...
That’s the point I was making yesterday
Yawn. Lighten up, Starmer is so boring and pointless we have to find amusement where we can. Seems to me the fact he's using a 2019 placard shows the labour party are so skint they can't afford any new ones. Or perhaps the problem is they haven't yet decided what the slogan should be because they're a bunch of vacuous principle free careerist zombies?
Or that the photo was pre-pandemic, when there was a campaign where he could have a photo taken with local campaigners.
An interesting article here explaining how recent polls might have actually exaggerated support for Labour and why Opinium felt it was necessary to change their methodology.
"Labour officials are well aware of this danger – a source close to Labour Party leader Sir Keir Starmer have suggested that the party’s priority was now to convince people who have switched from the Conservatives to “don’t know” that they should take a gamble on the Opposition. If they fail, Mr Johnson’s chances of clinging on to power will be enhanced."
Makes sense. Other people have long observed (in this thread) that you need to keep on eye on the Conservative>DoNotKnow figures to truly understand the polls since Labour got ahead of the Conservatives. It’s not that the polls were over emphasising the lead in how people were answering the voting question, it is that they didn’t, without further digging, really tell the full story about how people were likely to vote at an election. Rather than leave that interpretation to readers, they are modifying how they report… which seems sound to me.
Yup Starmer only converting about 15% of the tory dks
They are the ones to watch, but as the head of polling for opinium has pointed out there's no guarantee that the dks will go back to tory either
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1493900263849082886?t=hrRtuiVNq7RDhk29qq0hTg&s=19
At last, a senior Labour politician says what Daily Mail readers have been saying for years :
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/angela-rayner-labour-shoot-first-crime-terrorist-b983111.html?amp
Obviously the policy needs to be applied with a bit of sensible profiling, ie, "does the suspect look like a terrorist?" Other questions can be asked later. The strategy seems to work okay in the US, except for cases where innocent people die.
And in London (Jean Charles de Menezes).
Would have been great in the case of the Birmingham 6 too eh? What a tool.
I've never known a period when I've found so many politicians to be so thick and unsophisticated.
Ms Raygun needs to remember this:
Shooting of Harry Stanley - Wikipedia
It is a particularly strange time to suggest that the police should take a more relaxed attitude towards the rule of law considering the battering public confidence in the Met has taken recently, and those who insist on 'taking the knee' talking about institutionalised racism.
Is now really the best time to say that the police should go with their instincts and use lethal force first, then ask questions?
What makes it even more bizarre is that I am not aware that the police are claiming that the fight against terrorism and the threat of terrorism is being hampered by a need to ask questions before shooting someone. In what recent case has this been an issue?
The whole thing appears to be nothing more than an attention-seeking exercise by Angela Raynor.
Interestingly if the same identical comment had been made by a Tory such as Rees-Mogg I would have expected an avalanche of justified criticism. However the very people who I would expect to be outraged had a Tory made the comment appear none too bothered. Still, she probably didn't mean it, eh?
It's a rum deal when you get pulled up by a tory:
David Davis@DavidDavisMP · ....
This kind of heavy handed approach cost Jean Charles de Menezes his life. I wonder if the former Director of Public Prosecutions would back such a move @Keir_Starmer 🤔 twitter.com/Independent/st…
The whole thing appears to be nothing more than an attention-seeking exercise by Angela Raynor.
i think I’d be prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that if I was in a job where I’d seen 2 of my colleagues murdered in the last few years my views on cops shooting people might be different from the mainstream.
