@ project, just ban I.T full stop. Save a fortune on all those fangle dangle computers and teachers wasting time coming on forums, hang on........
kids can write stuff out, thats how they learn
You ought to take your obvious expertise in education further project.
I take it that you don't actually work in education ?
....despite apparently knowing the quantity of photocopying which occurs in British schools.
"I remember a few years ago some **** said Education Education Education! "
That'll be Tangoman, recently appeared on our TV sets, although his recent reboot seems to have corrupted his accent circuits as he started off speaking some wierd American dialect. Still spouting the same NuLab bollox though but presumably not being paid $250,000 for this one.
The point was we always contribute no matter what, but some parents never bother!
Isn't that what paying taxes is all about though? What exactly do you want to do to make them 'bother'? unfortunately this is the price we pay for living in society that tries to make sure people don't go without. I agree though, it's aggravating that there are people out there who aren't engaged with society. But this is in no way exclusive to people with children.
Actually some good ideas there Project. All schools have an Eco-team which addresses various ways that all users of the school can reduce energy consumption and as a by-product reduce expenditure. Most schools are also required to develop links within the community to make use of the school's wider resources, for example we rent out our kick-pitch and provide rooms for Adult Literacy and Numeracy classes.
Asking kids parents for money to run a school seems a bit like extortion, if you cant afford it you cant have it.
Actually everyone still gets it whether they can afford it or not. The shortfall is usually covered by the school's budget, not by families who do pay. However if a significant number of families regularly did not contribute then I presume that schools would have to stop offering all but the most basic trips to everyone; which would be a shame when you get to see how this type of activity can make a huge positive difference to a child's learning.
this is truly a classic stw thread
nearly took the bait project was offering but .........
I have 2 kids and hav ebeen on all the school committess and started a swimming club.
Daughter is now a teacher and i can assure project she works way more than 37hrs per week. She is currently has a nursery class and has just had an Ofsted audit. This being her first she has turned a very poor perfotming school nursery round to a an excellent since she starteted in Sept.She has 52 kids,at least half of whom need special needs care and just last week some with socila work care. She visits all new children at home before they start. Last week she had 4 evenings of parents nights, some requiring another person in attendance due to the parents/carers being "difficult". She has been accosted in the play ground by an aggrieved parent(she appears to have a hotline to social services!!)
[b]All I can say to project is go and spend some time with a teacher[/b]
Trekster i slept with a teacher once, and all she wanted to do was give me a score, and a tick in all the right boxes.
Got up this morning and no kids or teachers thought theyd all read singletrack last night, and where boycoting lessons, then realised it was naother bloodly long paid holiday for them.
Also Trekster when your daughter calls round, ask her to teach you the basics of spelin.
project has been sniffing tipp-ex
then realised it was naother bloodly long paid holiday for them.
nah, they are all waiting at roundabouts for you
Project, I'd love to know what you actually do (apart from spouting off on here about public sector jobs). Teaching is a great job and the holidays are beyond compare to most but then, why is it, with all of the great pay and hols is it still so loathsome that no one will do it?
Your suggestions are hilarious and your understanding of pedagogy is cretinous; I'm sure when you are in charge all students will turn out as incomparable genius but until then, really, your ill educated ranting is meaningless.
OP - schools are skint, they really, really are. If you want your kids to do extra stuff stump up. It costs about 50p per kid per hour for simply baby sitting so you can see the kind of monies involved, it actually looks like you get education for free.
So if the schools are skint why dont they do more to increase their finances,pay cuts,redundancies, and switch the lights off, close the wuindows,charge for car parking etc etc, like ive said before,oh and theres recycling of all materials that could get them some money.
Why not even privatise the schools like the academys are doing very slowly,get away from council control, and state intervention,teach the kids what they need to know,not what somebody sitting in a office thinks they should know, that has no bearing on their life after school.
Seems as if im rattleing some cages and y6ou dont have the key to the cage door as yet.
are you a practicing idiot or full time?
Project - academies are more expensive per pupil.
Are you a troll or a plank? I think we should be told
TJ acadamies are part funded by the private sector so they funf the costs,and put in viable buissness plans to to raise money and promote growth.
Gee, somehow im drawn to your charismatic way with words,
simply put project "you are talking shite and now shut up!"
All I can say to project is go and spend some time with a teacher
Trekster, you must really hate teachers.
Project - they cost the taxpayer more per pupil and get worse results.
tj in scotland and england academic are totally different
Stop complaining, mine are at private school.
So not only am I paying a grand a month per child (from net pay), but I'm also subsidising all you peasants and your chav kids!
There are non in Scotland - I mean the English ones.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/may/19/freedomofinformation.schools
Ditto b r
I had a little laugh at people complaining about £100 per term.
Oh and another thing why cant the schools and facilities we pay for be used every day instead of being closed every weekend, and for long holidays,that would help subsidise the kids activities outside of school.
yeah and another thing if kids are only in school seven hours a day and get all these holidays then why can't they work after school to offset some of their fees all of the school buildings are empty and they have a kithen in there so why can't they make muffins during home economics and sell them along with coffee on the weekends also the teachers could work as superviross. you don't get anything for free they should learn early!!!
An interested strategy there project............when your deep hatred of the public sector yet again, makes you look like a complete tw4t, you start posting more and more ridiculous nonsense.
Soon, people will start thinking, "ah..... it was just a big joke all along, and he was simply trolling/trying to be funny".
Of course an better strategy might be if you just avoided commenting altogether about those who work in the public sector 💡
I'm confused, i work in the private sector AND i'm a teacher will project hate me or not.
On the teachers working hours thing, my mother was a teacher all her life, department head for some of it, some in primary schools, some in secondary.
In all the time I remember her working, she brought work home maybe 10 times in total and NEVER EVER did ANYTHING AT ALL in the holidays. I know she used to go in a little bit early or tay a bit late (1/2hr a day maybe) but she got all her work done at school, mostly during breaks. But I do know she could mark books and listen to a child read at the same time.....
She very rarely spoke about work, but she once told me about an inspector coming round to check up on her, and asking where her lesson plans etc were. Her reply was something like "I've been teaching this since before you were a glint in your father's eye, sonny, I don't need a lesson plan"
My mother was one of those teachers you just obayed, without question, every time too. Apparently he shut up after that!
And she never had lesson plans until the day she retired 3-4 years ago, either. 🙂
I'd just like to add my two-penneth. Our lads too young for school yet but they can get-to-**** if I'm paying council tax, NI, income tax and VAT and then being asked to hand over 'donations' to a school.
Not a chance. Why would it effect my childs education? Is it to sub the teachers wages? Are they like coin-operated Marionettes who only perform as you feed them with money? I think not.
Why would it effect my childs education?
Depends what it's being spent on. I dunno what that is and apparently neither do you, but you've already decided you won't pay it.
Senario 1 for you hora....term 1 there is a chance the teacher types will want to take your sprogs out of school for and end of year treat to the panto. No real educational benefit in the purest sense of the word but a good social experience. Are you planning on opting out of that one? If so there is good chance you might have to go yourself which if you anything like my would be a fate worse than death!
Senario 2... The school I live opposite has been running a really cool cycling proficiency after school club with qualified (and quite brilliant from what I've seen) instructors getting the little ones confident and aware. They get a little pack when they "pass" the course Inc certificate and a dayglow bib which somehow the instructors have managed to sell as way cool and they are all wearing at any available opportunity. The number of kids that have got their parents to bring them by bike (sleepy village with little traffic) so they could wear their bib is amazing. The course was heavily subsidised but did ask for a contribution - £3 I think. Would you tell them to go whistle?
Ultimately state education is pretty cheap per pupil considering what a fundamentally crucial aspect of a child's life it represents and any parent that begrudges coughing up a few quid more to ensure it's a slightly more rounded a pleasuable eperience is a tight ass! Especially considering the wedges of cash that seems to spent on the average British child on totally useless crap every year- a little less plastic fantastic a Xmas and a bit more on education would seem pretty sensible.
I can see this happening to us actually, being the shrinking violet that I am I'll be visiting the school principle to spell out in simple words that I can't afford to donate, subsidising my children's activities is fine mind.
And, should I be earning a lot by then, well, I'll do what I can...
So, if you can't afford donations, then don't donate. If you can, then do.
I don't see what the problem is here?
A lot of your ideas are already in place Project; schools do recycle all kinds of stuff, the darkroom I built with no funds was entirely built from recycled materials, the computer I use is ex-ICT, the pens and pencils I use day in day out are not regularly replaced but I supply lots from home.
Do you want to charge for parking for staff? That's just not going to happen, why would I pay to park at work? Wage cuts? This isn't some private sector job that doesn't really matter, this is the future of our society and people would simply not do the job for less, it's not actually always very nice teaching in inner city schools but it does need doing.
Little insight - The English Dept. teaches every student in a school of 1500. It's yearly budget is £2000, that's for books, equipment, stationery, textbooks, presentation equipment and so on. Kids bring nothing not even a bag or lunch. You don't pay enough tax to fund trips etc, so if you want them get your hands in your pockets.
Hora - it may 'affect' your child's ability to not sound stupid.
PeterPoddy - I'm sure your mum was a great teacher but her days are well and truly gone. No planning? School fails, even if you call the inspector sonny.
...and I don't know what a funf is...
I have some sympathy with the OP as when our boy was at primary school he seemed to bring home a letter on a fortnightly basis asking for cash for this and that. The letters always said that the donation was not compulsory but if they did not receive enough cash the activity would not go ahead. It always smacked of mild blackmail and we always stumped up but I guess quite a few parents never contributed a penny.
I do not mind contributing a bit more for my kids to enjoy their education but would prefer it to be less slipshod and have some relationship to ability (rather than willingness) to pay.
BTW my missus is on the fundraising team for my daughters playgroup and we spend lots of time (and cash) on fundraising activities so do not lecture me on being stingy!
Do you want to charge for parking for staff?
Durrrrr...... the kids, obviously! Why can't everyone see Projects genius?
project if you want to criticise someone for their spelling better work on your own first we got this in your very next post
wuindows
academys
rattleing
What you said was ridiculous. Pay for parking ...yes there is no free parking just ourtside any school on the road is there. Subsidise your employer FFS. Turn off the lights. Genius they never thougt of that one. Ours lights up like Blackpool illuminations 24/7.
It is annoyng payinmg for extras for your kids education but there is value to it. I was reluctant at first and thought as Hora did but it benefits my kids so it is worth it.
Poddy your mother would be sacked today ...not saying she was a bad teacher I have no idea but you just cannot pass an OFSTED inspection without lesson plans. Calling someone there to inspect you sonny is not very wise.. I really doubt that is true or anything other than bravado.
Why not become a teacher if it is so f@cking easy I mean it is not so much dealing with unmotivated chavs with no displine and late night working so much as it is a 9-3 working day with loads of holidays. give up your hard IT jobs and go do something easier eh?
Yours ex teacher
TJ acadamies are part funded by the private sector so they funf the costs,and put in viable buissness plans to to raise money and promote growth.
PFI and PPI. Ahh yes. The darlings of Conservative thinking, mutilated and enjoying every kickback under the sun courtesy of New Labour genius.
Project - You've never read [i]Private Eye[/i] have you, or the Oxford English dictionary? - [u]Business, academies, fund.[/u]
Given the line I've quote you as writing above, I'm going to guess you're a sub-30 something who took GCSE economics.
It's a shame you never progressed beyond that.
Now do everybody a favour, and pipe down. Or better. Shut up.
Thanks.
Monkeeknutz - Member
A lot of your ideas are already in place Project; schools do recycle all kinds of stuff, the darkroom I built with no funds was entirely built from recycled materials, the computer I use is ex-ICT, the pens and pencils I use day in day out are not regularly replaced but I supply lots from home.[b]Do you want to charge for parking for staff? That's just not going to happen, why would I pay to park at work? [/b]Wage cuts? This isn't some private sector job that doesn't really matter, this is the future of our society and people would simply not do the job for less, it's not actually always very nice teaching in inner city schools but it does need doing.
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Strangely nearly all Hospitals charge the staff for parking, and also i get free pens from the local trade depots.
Oh and local councils have been given permission to introduce workplace parking fees for all employers.
Strangely nearly all Hospitals charge the staff for parking
That's quite some statement. My wife ( nurse) has worked at several hospitals...and never had to pay. Point me in the direction of some facts.
Oh and local councils have been given permission to introduce workplace parking fees for all employers
I work in the public sector, across many Councils. Again, please give me some details.
Apart from that...great post.
Hospitals that charge staff to park try googleing this for details
Workplaxe parking levies
Always pleased to produce the evidence,please check your facts, as just because you dont know about something its not going to happen, as ignorance is no excuse in law.
so....
1. How much do you think you could raise from each staff member parking then and what sized dent do you think that would make in the budget of your average sized school?
2. Have you noticed how for some strange reason the average school tends to be placed in residential areas - weird isn't it! Would you like to hazard a guess at how many employees would circumvent your fund raising scheme by parking elsewhere?
Not sure it's really going to work for you! Also, and I'm guessing now, I'm assuming you have not spent much time inside a school since you were a pupil. Until you have you probably don't realise how much these places are run on the goodwill of the employees doing above and beyond their contracted duties/responsibilities. Your petty measures would destroy this and in the long term cost money rather than save it.
Schools could save some cash that's for sure and turning off more lights and sorting out antiquated heating systems would be a good, visible, place to start I guess. There are many other areas too. Teaching and non teaching staff time spent employed to do the things you would have thought parents should be doing would help. Regarding state school teachers' pay - I always though they got me pretty cheap (I have now gone to the dark side)! A load of real world experience, a first class degree, national awards as a student & plenty of unsolicited offers but I stuck to my guns and did the teaching thing. Whilst I chose the job for the vocation, have the longer holidays & pension are the only reasons they got me so cheap I guess. The only way I justified earning as little as I did compared to less capable friends that took other career paths was to think of my salary as pro rata. If I had worked more weeks per year they would have had to pay more or I would have found another path. If you were to pay less than they currently do in the context of other comparable jobs the quality of staff would plummet. After our **** compatriots that chose personal gain and the banking sector instead of teaching royally naused up the economy I'm assuming we will all feel the financial pain as local government cut back, teachers included.
As an aside, I'm told parents in my part of the world are now on average paying more than £5ph for nursery places. For that you do get a better staff:pupil ratio admittedly but the staff have a fraction of the training and the centre has to have hardly any facilities when compared to that of a school (esp secondary)or do any of the pastoral care. School bursars can only dream of a fraction of that that sort of money to spend. You want to look into running a nursery Project - that's where the money is!
@cletus, thankyou for finally understanding the gist of my original post. As I said before it's not about the money because we always pay, it's about the constant request for it and the fact as i've said before some people who never pay!
Oh, and to the two blokes who's kids go to private school, look at you mr big shots!
Do they board as well? Always thought that was a great way to bring up socially inept children!!
project - MemberHospitals that charge staff to park try [u]googleing [/u]this for details
[u]Workplaxe[/u] parking levies
Always pleased to produce the evidence,[b]please check your facts[/b], as just because you [u]dont[/u] know about something its not going to happen, as ignorance is no excuse in law.
As is posting shite
I take it you never read the pdf doc?
From that pdf link.
There is, therefore, no legislative basis for a workplace parking levy in Scotland
the two blokes who's kids go to private school, look at you mr big shots!Do they board as well? Always thought that was a great way to bring up socially inept children!!
As opposed to your belief that sending children to a school with "chav kids" provides them with social skills and a well-rounded outlook ?
And yet you now say :
[i]"@cletus, thankyou for finally understanding the gist of my original post. As I said before it's not about the money because we always pay, it's about the constant request for it and the fact as i've said before some people who never pay!"[/i]
So really all you're complaining about, is what you mentioned in your original post, ie :
[i]"all the chav kids whose parents spend their money on fags and cider"[/i]
I think you really need to make your mind up mate. You either, want your kids to go to a posh school with no riff raff or, you would prefer that they did.
Why don't just send your kids to a private school wrightyson ? There at least, all the parents pay the same amount.
Except for the scholarship kids of course.................you could have a good ****ing moan about them.
wrightyson,
I wouldn't say I'm a big shot, just someone who's been a bit lucky, saved hard, stopped doing a few things and as a result we're able to make the choice to go private, one advantage of which is that all the other pupils want to be there, and the parents fully support them, which seems to be what you're moaning about.
