MegaSack DRAW - This year's winner is user - rgwb
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Yes and her boss too
Away to Celebrity Wall of Death with her!
Well May can't sack her as Rudd is her body double at any Question Time type events as May doesn't have the spine to go herself.
Perhaps the last Home Secretary should fall on her sword for introducing these Immigration policies in the first place....
Oh, hang on....
Yes and her boss too
Yep, they are both in it - May probably more so.
I don't really get the point of her resigning really. The plans were put in place by her predecessor, (who no one is seriously suggesting should go, (over this debacle at least)). The worst that can be said is that she should have recognised the issue and fixed it when taking the job, but what chief executive really micro-manages to that extent?
Plus she'd only be replaced by another Tory, so what'd be the great benefit?
May needs to show some leadership and really distance herself from whoever was running the Home Office while this was going on. They need sacking from any cabinet posts and preferably kicking out of the party.
I don't know if she's spineless or vindictive. She either didn't agree with what was happening, but didn't dare go against her boss, or she was in favour of it herself.
Rudd should not.
May should.
No scapegoats (although covering for May seems to be Rudd's main role).
Sacking Rudd for one of May's personal home office disasters would be absurd.
Why should she? 2009 the decision was made under a Labour Government to destroy the paper records. 2010 when they were destroyed the Tories were in charge.
Both party's are as incompetent as each other. If she'd sent another incompetent person fit for the job would take over.
Corbyn is an idiot, no one needs to listen to his whining.
You can't actually think that the paper arrival records are the important point here?
I see Rudd's enthusiastically using the "I have no idea what I'm doing" defence as we speak, so maybe she should resign after all- not over this specifically, just in general
You can’t actually think that the paper arrival records are the important point here?
Yes. If the paper records were still intact this story would not have happened.
It's like the Labour WMD debacle...."look WMD, " " Great let's go to war then"
"Weeeeellll actually......."
Yes. If the paper records were still intact this story would not have happened.
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Both Labour and the Conservatives have accused each other of being responsible for the destruction of Windrush landing cards. The decision to dispose of them was taken in 2009 under Labour (although the then-Home Secretary says he didn’t sign it off). The actual destruction of the documents took place under the Conservatives, when Theresa May was Home Secretary.The documents were destroyed as part of the UK Border Agency’s legal obligations under the the Data Protection Act. At the time, the Border Agency didn’t consider the documents to be of sufficient value to keep hold of.
Only later – in 2013 – was the “hostile environment” policy introduced by the Conservative-Lib Dem Coalition. Additional changes in 2012 added to the pressure on migrants in the UK.
Had they not been destroyed, the landing cards could now be used alongside other documents to help someone threatened with deportation to build their case for staying. It gets trickier when we talk about people who have no other record of their time in the UK.
The number of people for whom a landing card would materially alter their status now is very low – but not zero.
Nevertheless, it seems likely that the destruction of the landing cards would not be a significant problem for the Windrush generation if the “hostile environment” policy hadn’t been introduced.
Why should she? 2009 the decision was made under a Labour Government to destroy the paper records. 2010 when they were destroyed the Tories were in charge.
A valuable lesson once again in implementing a policy without looking at what a potential future Government could do.
Both party’s are as incompetent as each other. If she’d sent another incompetent person fit for the job would take over.
And the valuable lesson was not anticipating the Hostle Environment implemented and changes to immigration policy in 2014.
Only one party is responsible for that.
Corbyn is an idiot, no one needs to listen to his whining.
It amusing watching the right wing press pedal this line. They really don't want another "I agree with Nick" moment do they.
Must admit, I have no clue what you are talking about. pretty much gave up watching the news or caring about politics this year.
Blissful ignorance is, well, bliss! 😆
And the valuable lesson was not anticipating the Hostle Environment implemented and changes to immigration policy in 2014.
If a government is considering an aggressive policy on immigration, it falls to ministers (and their civil servants) to assess whether there are any UK residents who would be unfairly disadvantaged by it.
So the fault is both with the former ministers who did not foresee that leaving these people effectively undocumented could create an issue, and with those whose did not look properly at the impact of their policy.
And of the two, I'd say the greater responsibility lies with the government actually tabling the active and aggressive change to immigration policy, rather than one trying to anticipate whatever might happen in decades to come.
The xenophobia & anti immigrant bias in the media has run unchecked for too long, both labour & Tories guilty of cowering before the right wing press barons.
Fairly obvious that the tories have embraced it with the greatest vigour as they chased the kipper vote.
May bears a great deal of responsibility, but despite epic incompetence as home sec & PM she seems unsackable, rest of Tories are truly that unpalatable
Rudd less so but still plenty, much of the attacks on her have been gleefully taken up by Tory brexiters , just more petty infighting .
Rudd was surely doomed before this, at the next election anyway, she's got a double digit majority!
Local elections coming up..
Have Your say on who you want in..
You have the opportunity to boot “safe seat” MPs out y’know.
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This is ridiculous tbf
Notwithstanding the current political point-scoring furore I am surprised *no, scrub that, I'm not surprised really*, it seems a great shame that UK Citizenship wasn't given to these people and their forebears during the previous 40 odd years by any governing party. Then it could truly be said that none of the current situation needed to have arisen.
For either Rudd or May to resign effectively would show a much greater degree of competence than either has managed to demonstrate. The blame the pervious boss line normally works when they have resigned to spend more time with their mistress etc.
Yes, as should all of those mean spirited MPs who have pandered to the pathetic racism of the daily mail.
Yes, making a mistake is normal, being slow to do something that should have been done before to avoid doing it is also an understandable thing.
Being caught telling a bare faced lie to cover your own back simply puts one in the "can't be trusted" mega-pile of politicians.
Just admit you're human, you've not done what you should have so far, and now this is how you're going to fix it. That gets you respect (not as much respect as doing it right in the first place) at least.
Got to go, and for the record my proclivities are centre-right.
Of course she bloody should! She and the whole awful cabinet. Better yet, she and the *whole awful party.
The problem is that the Corbyn alternative is far, far to friendly toward Russia.
So basically, our choice is incompetent anti-European neo-neo-cons, or a post-Soviet mole.
We're screwed.
*Except Ken Clarke. He can stay.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Only later – in 2013 – was the “hostile environment” policy introduced by the Conservative-Lib Dem Coalition. Additional changes in 2012 added to the pressure on migrants in the UK</span>
which is complete balls - the first reference to “hostile policy” was made Labour minister Jack Straw in 2000:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2000/apr/14/uk.race
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which is complete balls – the first reference to “hostile policy” was made Labour minister Jack Straw in 2000:
From reading the article it's someone accusing Jack Straw of being hostile to black Britons, which is very different to a government department engaging in a self-declared policy to create a 'hostile environment'
A stopped clock is correct more often than you are.
Hugo sums it up for me. She’s apologised for basically not tackling a known problem in a timely manner. Time to go and I think she knows it. Dropped the May-made ball.
Remember some have lost their jobs over this debacle through no fault of their own. So should she
Yes - and then the good people of Hastings and Rye can remove her wafer thin majority there, so that she can go back being Head Girl amongst those oh-so-talented City of London folks.
The problem is that the Corbyn alternative is far, far to friendly toward Russia.
The evidence for which is ... oh yes .. nonexistent.
She received an absolute roasting in PMQ..
Which leads me to the point.. what other environment in the world where it’s acceptable to literally shout, berate, nay scream and ridicule someone in a work environment? And yet, still stay in that position.
Its quite an eye opener just what can be both said, and the manner and meaning of what is being said.. and all recorded on Hansard for all to view.
Debating chamber? It’s quite the bear pit these days.
Rudd seems not to know what's going on in her own Dept, after her performance in front of the select committee yesterday, she should go before she embarrasses herself again.
The evidence for which is … oh yes .. nonexistent.
Loads of 'evidence' in the Daily Mail which I guess must be the source of choice for anyone who would make such an ill informed statement about Corbyn and Russia.
No, she'd only be replaced by some other useless twonk
Her select committee performance wouldve got someone sacked in a normal job.
Trouble is the bar has been set so incredibly low by the likes of Fox, Johnson & the master of befuddlement Davis whose lies & incompetence Infront of the brexit select committee will surely become the stuff of Westminster legend
In a similar way to how Brexiteers like Johnson are effectively unsackable from the cabinet, Rudd is probably safe in her position because she appears to be one of the few allies May has there.
TBH we're better off having her there, rather than whatever swivel-eyed hard Brexit loon who would be shipped in to replace her. There's a reason that half the people briefing against her are from her own party.
Rudd is probably safe in her position because she appears to be one of the few allies May has there.
That and Rudd took over from May and inherited much of the mess from her. If Rudd is shown the door then May will be in the firing line.
what other environment in the world where it’s acceptable to literally shout, berate, nay scream and ridicule someone in a work environment?
Bit like my workplace, tbh
Can she last much longer?
When is a target not a target?
When it’s not a Ruddy target, okay???
The irony of Diane Abbott saying she should resign as she couldn’t be trusted to even get basic facts right..
Amber Rudd lied to a select committee. Weird to make an equivalence there tbh
(OK, it's just about possible that Rudd didn't lie, and that instead, she just doesn't read the reports she's supposed to or listen to what anyone else says in meetings, or instantly forgets everything. But that's not a great defence)
Still hanging on by the looks of it...but the last round of leaks undermining her position.
IMHO dead man walking.
IMHO dead man walking.
That’s what I thought of Theresa May after the snap election debacle. I wonder if no one else wants to be Home Secretary either?
Brexit May save her thou 🙁
That’s what I thought of Theresa May after the snap election debacle. I wonder if no one else wants to be Home Secretary either?
you could be right.
Effectively they were deporting the aging parents of kids I went to school with 30 years ago 🙁
I'm not excusing her but many of the senior managers where I work don't read emails. Even after you resend them as requested to get it to the top of the inbox. She's probably equally as self-important and shares their delusions of adequacy.
I bumped into her at Peterborough services last year, or rather the silly bat walked into me as she veered towards the entrance without looking where she was going. I was very surprised that she didn't have security with her given her position. If that's how slack she is then no wonder this fiasco has surfaced. I wonder how many other things are being hushed up whilst the media get into a froth over this ****up
I’m not excusing her but many of the senior managers where I work don’t read emails. Even after you resend them as requested to get it to the top of the inbox.
Well, that's their problem. And if something happens on their watch that they had been alerted to but failed to take action on, then that would also be their fault.
Shat on by Tories, shovelled up by Labour.
I came back here with great expectations of an announcement..
Is sad.
I have not been following this story - but is the only issue that she lied? or that there were targets to send back illegal immigrants??
Surely it must be a mistake or oversight; because what is wrong with sending back people to their country of origin, or last place of safety, if they entered the UK illegally?
But the Windrush gen and their descendants aren't illegal immigrants.
Which is the whole point.
It was a conscious decision to attempt to deport people who have as much right to be here as you or I.
Just like the conscious decision to withdraw benefits from people with disabilities.
Not a mistake. Not an oversight. Not 'just one of those things'.
A deliberate decision to target people who could not prove their legitimacy, because their records had been deliberately destroyed, by the very people who are now demanding proof of residency.
Nothing at all to do with illegal immigrants, just another attack on those least able to defend themselves.
What a time to be alive.
Rudd also lied, or deliberately misinformed, Parliament which is very, very naughty but as they all seem to be self serving dishonest fectards, it's not surprising
Legally , have these people been kidnapped?
This situation is absolutely unforgiveable.
Arrests should be made.
Bookies favourite to replace her is Gove.
Careful what you wish for.
Remainer swapped for rabid, expert hating, Brexiteering gobshite. Oh well could be worse - the Moggster might get a look in at this rate.
Wonder who is doing all the leaking?
It's a bit like shift work. Anything that comes to light on your shift is your responsibility. It doesn't matter what the last shift did, it's all yours.
Of course she should resign - she is either lying to parliament or incomp0etent. there is no other explanation
Like father, like daughter.
I'd like to ask her about the human skull I found in the stable block of her old home, soon after her family moved out.
The defenders are laying it on thick now, can't be expected to read everything, too busy, tiny details etc. The level of trust is so high that demands for this to be legally backed seem like a sensible idea especially given the potential shelf life of those making the promises.
Nothing like being too busy to do your job 🙂
Careful what you wish for.
This is what scares me about the whole thing.
There's various news stories doing the rounds suggesting that David Davis is close to resigning, that May's under threat from her own party, that Rudd should be sacked or resign (personally I think she should be set on fire and the flames beaten out with Jeremy Hunt, but that's just me), and some other leading brexiter whose name I can't remember is at risk too. In isolation, all of things make me rejoice.
However, I rejoiced when Cameron walked away. Until his replacement turned out the way she did. Who've we got waiting in the wings? The likes of BoJo and Rees-Mogg (the esteemed Minister for the Nineteenth Century).
(personally I think she should be set on fire and the flames beaten out with Jeremy Hunt, but that’s just me)
🙂
Who’ve we got waiting in the wings?
You named him before: the minister for people whose middle name should be Michael I.e. Hunt
I’d like to ask her about the human skull I found in the stable block of her old home, soon after her family moved out.
You can always trust STW to give the news a different twist.
@ElShalimo, MartinHutch:
Amber's father, Tony Rudd, was a rich stockbroker who owned Chalcot House near Westbury, Wiltshire, as his country pile. When he was disgraced for dodgy dealings (there were allegedly plenty he wasn't nicked for) he sold the property. I think that was in the early 90s.
Mrs M's family lives very nearby, but not in a mansion. When the place was empty Mrs M & I had a nosey around the outside & outbuildings. In one of the stables, there was a human skull on a shelf, brown from age but otherwise in good condition. I've no idea what happened to it - Mrs M wouldn't let me nick it. She also remembers them going to the local church, taking the front pews as a right of wealth, wiith Amber there in pigtails.
Just don't tell JiveHoneyJive - he thinks he has enough lizard-evidence against Rudd as it is. 🙂
It probably belonged to some below-stairs type, probably foreign, so no great shakes. 🙂
some other leading brexiter whose name I can’t remember
Oliver Robbins, that's the other one I was trying to think of.
Oh dear Someone ‘May’ not be happy on Monday.
https://www.scribd.com/document/377702336/Letter-from-Amber-Rudd-to-Theresa-May
I think that’ll be the end of her(for a while,but don’t forget old disgraced Liam)
I get the worry about the next one being worse but tbh that excuse is exactly what keeps useless xxxxxx like her in a job.
sneaky edit as insult had another meaning and that would be derogatory to use it on a pos like her
The Tories really are doing an excellent job of shoveling each other in shit!
I expect a flurry of Corbyn hates Jewish people stories to hit the papers b4 next week's local elections
If that letter is real then leaky is an understatement for the home office.
Your only supposed to blow the Ruddy doors off.
predictive text from her word processor did it.
I believe the phrase is "You're ~%$#@ love".
But they'll be no resignation.She's doing a fine job.
As a human shield.
If that letter is real then leaky is an understatement for the home office.
The inevitable consequence of shifting blame onto your staff.
Agreed, tories are trying to deflect all blame for the shambles of a government on to civil servants