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Anyone watch it? Thought it was pretty good...
Yes, pleasantly surprised. Got the feel of SH well, with clever modernising touches. Definitely will watch again.
damn, i wanted to watch that
i player apptmnt booked i think 🙂
Yeah, not completely perfect, but definitively watchable.
Bit of a Sherlock Holmes fan - enjoyed that.
Me too... love Sherlock stories and I thought that was very well done. Cracking bit of telly.
3 pipe problem=3 patch problem, excellent!
Very good update. Same elements as the original but nicely modernised.
Enough knowing references to please Holmes geeks (thought the Rache/Rachel thing was clever).
And Mycrofts' assistant was very watchable too........
yes, very good.
The Holmes character wasn't old-fashioned when he was created, so why leave him stuck in the 19th century - it seems perfectly natural to bring him up to date...
i particularly liked the way texts, words, maps and things were shown to us.
I liked it much more than I expected to, but I did find the text, map, word thing a little intrusive and found it tended to gnaw at my suspension of disbelief, but it's a very minor thing and probably just me 🙂
I thought it was really good. I'm not a Holmesie (or whatever SH nerds are called) so I probably missed a load of refs but I got enough to enjoy it.
(thought the Rache/Rachel thing was clever)
Go on, explain that 🙂
I thought it was great too. I did get a few of the references like the bit where you thought he was shooting up.
However, there were some bits of plot where he had to miss things that if he was so uber clever he'd have got, just to make the story pan out. Shame. But then, writers have to be really really really clever to avoid having to do that 🙂
However, there were some bits of plot where he had to miss things that if he was so uber clever he'd have got
Care to elaborate?
...and I believe Rache was a pseudonym that Holmes used but that is about all I know.
Big Sherlock Holmes fan and sat watching it expecting to be pissed off by a crap bastardised remake but pleasantly surprised by a good modern version of it.
Umm.. right..
1) They'd definitely have noticed the cabbie at the door
2) Holmes would've thought about the cabbie turning up unanounced - it was bleedin obvious that was significant, given that he was so insistent and especially as they were talking about who hunts in a crowd etc - too them ages to get that.
3) With a room full of people, SOMEONE'd have figured out that they could still track Holmes with the phone immediately after he left.
4) He seemed oblivious to the possibility that BOTH the pills were poison. The cabbie could easily have wanted to call it a day, esp as he was living on borrowed time and was a pretty wretched tortured soul.
Didn't stop it being good though. I was just a little disappointed that the story had a few minor holes and didn't dazzle me with narrative sleight-of-hand and wrong-foot me completely but with Holmes two steps ahead of me at all times.
Nicely done by the BBC / Steven Moffat / Gatiss I thought, well acted, well directed nice setup for the rest of the series. The plot was a bit anemic though, which is true to the original as well as a lot of Doyle's plots were a bit on the thin side too. Agree re Mycrofts' assistant.
Fairly watchable but could do with less of the text & graphic frippery.
[i]4) He seemed oblivious to the possibility that BOTH the pills were poison. The cabbie could easily have wanted to call it a day, esp as he was living on borrowed time and was a pretty wretched tortured soul.[/i]
But didn't he say each time he played his children got money?
Three hours into my job in plain clothes crime detection and my curly side parting, high cheek bones and black rain coat have earnt me five Holmes comparisons so far.
To be honest I've been called worse 🙂
I really liked the text message thing 🙂
It would be good if somebody did an adaptation of the Holmes stories, but change it to a medical setting with an arrogant irascible doctor who makes brilliant deductions from circumstantial snippets, abuses both drugs and his colleagues, and calls everybody by their surname.
Mind you, they'd have to make some subtle change in his name, like from house to home, to throw everybody off the scent.
But I thought [s]the new Dr Who[/s] Sherlock was excellent. I hope he uses his sonic screwdriver in the next episode.
LOL I thought of Doctor Who while watching it 🙂
Thought it was brilliant stuff
1) They'd definitely have noticed the cabbie at the door
They did hence why the woman Police officer said he's gone off with the cab driver.
3) With a room full of people, SOMEONE'd have figured out that they could still track Holmes with the phone immediately after he left.
What like Watson did.
4) He seemed oblivious to the possibility that BOTH the pills were poison. The cabbie could easily have wanted to call it a day, esp as he was living on borrowed time and was a pretty wretched tortured soul.
No he didn't he never took it, if he'd been so confident then he'd have risked it.
I mean they'd have noticed the cabbie as in 'hey you, wtf are you doing here'. Personally, as a dumb audience member my brain lit up immediately as an unannounced cab arrived. Seemed to take ages for the pieces to click.
It seemed to take ages for the phone tracking thing to happen.
I didn't watch it because I was convinced it was going to be a ‘modern life is rubbish’ interpretation but it seems I might have been wrong.
Tell me, were they true to Holmes' 'Social Dawinism' ethos; the idea that he is intellectually and morally superior by evolution and the criminal classes are not to be blamed so much for their misgivings as for their evolutionary/intellectual inadequacy? I wonder how well the idea that there is an intellectually superior class would really go down today.
Well, lets be honest as soon as he said who looks for people in busy areas and goes un-noticed I guess 95% of the population thought cab driver.
Tell me, were they true to Holmes' 'Social Dawinism' ethos; the idea that he is intellectually and morally superior by evolution and the criminal classes are not to be blamed so much for their misgivings as for their evolutionary/intellectual inadequacy? I wonder how well the idea that there is an intellectually superior class would really go down today.
seemed to me that this was the jist of the story last night, the cabbie playing to Sherlock's intellectual superiority.
Yeah, there were holes like Watson not tracking him quicker but all in all a very good watch. Funny too.
[i]Well, lets be honest as soon as he said who looks for people in busy areas and goes un-noticed I guess 95% of the population thought cab driver.[/i]
I could have sworn they used exactly the same script lines that were in an episode of Luther a couple of months back 🙂
But it's the big juicy clues they leave for us to get and the characters to stall over that make it so entertaining. How else would you get a room of adults (who now know they're smarter than Sherllock) shouting "IT'S THE TAXI DRIVER" and "TRACK THE PHONE" at the telly.
And isn't he a high function Aspergers or something?
I thoroughly enjoyed it. est bit of British TV I've seen in a long time. I did think the bit with the pills was going to turn into a scene from The Pricess Bride though.
I quite liked the fact that situated on "Northumberland Street"(where they went to the restaurant to wait for the killer) is the Sherlock Holmes public house:
What narked me though was the insistence in 'gayifying' SH - it seemed to have been done solely to 'metrosexualise' the character, and aside from a couple of cheap laughs added nothing to the plot.
Other than that, worth watching if there's nowt else on.
bump on teh princess bride scene, i had to explain the entire scene to my missus
Well, lets be honest as soon as he said who looks for people in busy areas and goes un-noticed I guess 95% of the population thought cab driver.
Or Policeman.
I thought either cabbie, newspaper seller, or some other salesperson type ie burger van.. or perhaps one of those people that accosts you to try and make you try makeup or something.
I did think perhaps people were being drugged. After all, how could you force people to choose the pills? Someone (the young lad perhaps) would certainly have tried to run away and got shot (at), or would have just lamped the taxi driver. I know I would have done. I'd have realised that if there was a struggle and I did get shot, there'd have been a load more forensic evidence on me than if I just popped the pill.
Very enjoyable.
I was ready to turn it over about 5 minutes in, but was listening to a revue of what i thought was to be a play, on Radio 4 while in bed the other night and it actually clicked in my head that this what was actually being talked about.
I gave it a chance on the strength of the Radio 4 shizz and i'm glad i did!
I know I would have done. I'd have realised that if there was a struggle and I did get shot, there'd have been a load more
Is that what you did the last time some nut pointed a gun at your head and said get in my cab.
No, it's what I did the last time and old man tried to force me to take one of two pills.
..and I believe Rache was a pseudonym that Holmes used but that is about all I know.
The episode was loosely based on A Study In Scarlet, the first Sherlock Holmes novel. In it, the word 'rache' is scrawled in blood on the wall of a room where a body is found. The police believe that the [i]l[/i] is missing from the name [i]Rachel[/i], and that the message is a clue. Holmes is not distracted and his judgement vindicated when it traspires that it was a spontaneous blind by the 'killer'.
No, it's what I did the last time and old man tried to force me to take one of two pills.
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I really wanna be Herbert when i grow up...
Loved it, particularly when the snotty forensic guy called Holmes a psychopath, Holmes immediately replying “I'm a high-functioning sociopath...do your research”. Watson being injured in Afghanistan in the original stories is perfect for the current series as well. Loved Jeremy Brett, but having recently read all the stories for the first time as ebooks on my phone I've realised that previous portrayals have shown Holmes a lot older than in the stories, where he can be very physical, despite describing himself as the laziest human in all creation. Looking forward to the rest of the series and future stories. References to Dr Who aren't too far off, leaving aside the writer, the original idea was that the Doctor would
travel in history, with stories that would help educate children, as well as the alien stories.
Just watched this, much better than the usual dross.
I quite liked the fact that situated on "Northumberland Street"(where they went to the restaurant to wait for the killer) is the Sherlock Holmes public house:
Well here's another one. The scene before they walk into the restaurant, they are walking along Percy Street from the corner of Charlotte Street (used to work further up Charlotte Street, so recognised the corner).
That corner also marks the top of Rathbone Place.... [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_(1939_film_series) ]Basil Rathbone was the actor who made the famous Sherlock Holmes of the 1940s.[/url]
Walk down Rathbone Place and you'll get to Blacks & Evans Cycles, so we're now back to a cycling topic. Elementary!
I think this may be the best TV I've ever watched!
I watched last nights, and something occurred to me. Several people on here commented on the similarity between it and Dr Who. I wonder though if it's really the other way round - is Dr Who even subconsciously based on the original Sherlock Holmes stories? I mean that character has been a big part of our culture for over a century, so it's not unreasonable.
On the other hand, perhaps the original Holmes was a representation of ideas embedded even further within British or even world culture.
Didn't think last night's was quite as good as the first one, but it was still great TV.
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Well here's another one. The scene before they walk into the restaurant, they are walking along Percy Street from the corner of Charlotte Street (used to work further up Charlotte Street, so recognised the corner).
Heh, brilliant!
Watched the second one, fairly decent but one fundamental error that I would have thought Holmes would have known:
He kept referring to the scrawled graffiti symbols as "the cipher". In fact, the graffit symbols were the "ciphertext" - the cipher was the technique that would be used to encrypt and then decrypt (or "de-cipher") the ciphertext into plaintext.
Can't imagine someone with his purported attention to detail wouldn't have got that.
V enjoyable codswallop, though!
Also, I guessed Chinese numerals immediately. Surely he'd have known or at least been aware of the possibility, and looked up various different number systems...?
He kept referring to the scrawled graffiti symbols as "the cipher". In fact, the graffit symbols were the "ciphertext" - the cipher was the technique that would be used to encrypt and then decrypt (or "de-cipher") the ciphertext into plaintext.
that is English usage, and nothing to do with its later adoption in cryptography:
wiki: “Cipher” was later used for any decimal digit, even any number.
I was gutted when there was no Sherlock last night, even though the third episode was too self-referential for my liking, and Moriarty an unconvincing nemesis...
I thought Moriarty stole the show with the swimming pool scene and a great cliff hanger.
I thought Moriarty stole the show
are you also a small Irish person with a squeaky voice ?
lol
Nope the complete opposite, a tall Englishman with a deep voice.
Nope the complete opposite, a tall Englishman with a deep voice.
any acting ability ?
Just as a fool.
Hopefully they'll commission a few more episodes. I was thinking that it's really the British equivalent of CSI 🙂
If they don't I may have to boycott the BBC 🙁
They have commisioned more episodes according to my wife - yay:)
[i]Hopefully they'll commission a few more episodes. [/i]
I believe that this has already happened:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/10/sherlock-second-series-bbc
PHEW!! But it'll be ages 🙁
As Peter Preston in the [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/15/peter-preston-sherlock ]Guardian[/url] argues the commissioning of only three episodes was a bit odd.
Not really they were an hour and half long each.
are you also a small Irish person with a squeaky voice
That was the best bit. You'd have expected some big tough evil looking guy, but the quirky cheerful cheeky monkey bit was actually way more sinister I think. He was supposed to be quite crazy too ("I change my mind a lot") which was pretty good I think.
Personally, I'd have leapt into the pool twisting mid air to shoot at the bomb mid-flight.
Really good tv, 1st and 3rd episodes were the best.
Personally, I'd have leapt into the pool twisting mid air to shoot at the bomb mid-flight.
despite the impression given in the movies, the shock front from an explosion travels faster than the speed of sound and would almost certaining take you in midair, if your aim were good enough 🙁
1st and 3rd episodes were the best.
That is because they were the ones written by Mark Gatis and Stephen Moffat.
despite the impression given in the movies, the shock front from an explosion travels faster than the speed of sound and would almost certaining take you in midair, if your aim were good enough
Barnes, did you really think that I'd think it would actually work? It was a tongue in cheek argument, clearly 🙂
did you really think that I'd think it would actually work?
it's hard to estimate your naivety from here...
YOU find it hard..!
YOU find it hard..!
yes, I can only speak for myself 🙂
It's cos of your Asperger's syndrome, Simon.
It's cos of your Asperger's syndrome, Simon.
you mean if you don't have it you can tell what other people you've never met are thinking ?
To a much greater extent, yes 🙂
Maybe it's just online-Aspergers syndrome you have.
Oh great. It's the Molgrips and SFB show....
*changes channel*
I'll be Sherlock...
can someone please shoot [b]molgrips[/b]/Watson for verisimilitude ?
Lol 🙂
I like the last episode but I'd clocked Moriarty as soon as he appeared as the IT help/love interest for that lass. If it's similar to the book then this would be where Holmes and Moriarty fall off the cliff into the waterfall (although the twist would be Watson dies as well as the bomb is exploded).
Good 3 episodes and I'm pleased to hear more are being commissioned...thought it was a very good take on the Holmes story/character and Watson as well - brought into more modern times...I guess the obvious stuff that was missed had to be missed to make it a longer episode and more suspenseful? Thought it was good far better than the other crap that is on terrestrial tv just now - almost all reality shows - why? Cheap tv to make and just grim to watch.
I guess the obvious stuff that was missed had to be missed to make it a longer episode and more suspenseful?
Shouldn't need to have the characters miss obvious stuff. Slack writing. If you want to write Holmes, you have to be as clever as Holmes 🙂
Still enjoyed it muchly tho.
And I liked the water tie-in with the Moriarty showdown. Pool/waterfall.
I just hope they give Watson a pair of bollocks and a brain in the new ones.
Watched all three parts last week. Wasn't too bothered but caught part of it round a friends house and thought it looked ok. So picked it up on iPlayer. Thought it was good. Different enough to make it good and watchable. Love the little touches "this is a 3 (nicotine) patch problem", excellent!