[Closed] Sheep free places to walk in lake district

report em to the council... when my three year old was approached by two labs who knocked her over and then stood over her barking the fuzz could not have cared less said it wasnt the 'sort of thing we can deal with' and the owner of the animals he said i should nt have let my daughter walk without us holding her hand

jam bo - Member

By the way a lot of the people killed by cattle are trying to catch there dog who is worrying the cattle eventualy the cattle turn on the dog and the owner gets "run over" by the cattle who have had enough of the dog..........good

I think you'll find it tends to be the dog walkers who kept their dogs on a lead that get trampled.

A staggeringly ignorant/stupid belief. I have never ever seen a walker with a dog on a lead being "worried" by cattle any more than humans are in general. Yet again someone who is an expert in the field of ignorance!

I have never ever seen a walker with a dog on a lead being "worried" by cattle any more than humans are in general. Yet again someone who is an expert in the field of ignorance!

I have cattle dont like dogs especially when they have calves. I've seen cattle chase off sheep dogs. But what do I know I only grew up on a farm and have worked on some too.

I have never ever seen a walker with a dog on a lead being "worried" by cattle any more than humans are in general. Yet again someone who is an expert in the field of ignorance!

As with A_A - worked on a farm all through my teenage years. If a dog is off the lead they can clear off out of the way of the cattle. on the lead and both the dog and the dog owner are at risk.

SD-253 - are you for real?

the advice actualy is if cattle start to come after you when walking your dog let the dog off the lead so it can run away / divert the cattle from you.

councils can and do pass byelaws resticting where dogs can be walked and when they have to be on a lead,

The police can and do get involved when dogs are dangerously out of control - this is a criminal offesnse under he dangerous dogs act

Teh councils do have dog wardens whose job it is to manage dog fouling and so on.

One of my inlaws' springer spaniels was shot for worrying sheep. The farmer shot him twice with a shotgun

As with A_A - worked on a farm all through my teenage years. If a dog is off the lead they can clear off out of the way of the cattle. on the lead and both the dog and the dog owner are at risk.

a dog is off the lead they can clear off out of the way of the cattle.

on the lead and both the dog and the dog owner are at risk.

...the owner of the animals he said i should nt have let my daughter walk without us holding her hand

Seriously? 😯

SD-253 - are you for real?

The advice actualy is if cattle start to come after you when walking your dog let the dog off the lead so it can run away

councils can and do pass byelaws resticting where dogs can be walked

and when they have to be on a lead

I have cattle dont like dogs especially when they have calves. I've seen cattle chase off sheep dogs. But what do I know I only grew up on a farm and have worked on some too.

I have cattle

I cry troll

I was going to write something but really can't be bothered. This thread has turned into stupid arguments about nothing.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

"I have never ever seen a walker with a dog on a lead being "worried" by cattle any more than humans are in general. Yet again someone who is an expert in the field of ignorance!"

I have cattle dont like dogs especially when they have calves. I've seen cattle chase off sheep dogs. But what do I know I only grew up on a farm and have worked on some too.

TandemJeremy - Member
I cry troll

supersessions9-2 - Member
I was going to write something but really can't be bothered. This thread has turned into stupid arguments about nothing.

so distilling 3 pages down thsi thread goes something like this:

farmers shoot dogs,
no they don't,
yes they do and with shotguns,
no they use m16s
no they send their cows in to trample you.
cows don't trample you rappers do......

TandemJeremy - Member
I cry troll

No - because you a troll. or stupid.

Read the link, listen to folk who know, check the law

Ahh yes, the whiff of TrollShit

But just in case no trolls around...

Yet again pure ignorance the cattle will go to the dogs owner (merely because they are inquisitive animals) as they would if the walker had a dog or not. The fact that you worked on a farm is irrelative I on the other hand am out waling most days and have cattle charging up to me and I have no dog. By the way which arable farm did you work on? "I worked on a farm when I was tenager" so you are an expert on animal behavior?...... buffoon

I'm prety comfortable around most cattle. My exceptions would be Channel Island cows (Jerseys, Guernseys - both a rare sight these days), any dairy breed bulls, and 18 month or so beef steers / bullocks.

Ohh, and my farm work - an old fashioned mixed dairy / beef / arable farm in Cornwall. About 70 milkers - mainly Friesians, plus a few Holsteins and a couple off channel islands to bring the overall cream content up.

Most of my work was with the beef herd and arable, which was rotated on one farm unit. So a lot of Friesian / Hereford crosses from the dairy unit, then as meat fashions changed Friesian crossed with Charolais (and the occaisional Limousin) - and at circa 1 ton these are mad as hatters. They were also building upo a herd of South Devons - big cattle, but (in general) very good natured.

So, no i'm not an expert on animal behaviour, but have enough confidence in my own experience to gauge how / when / if to go through a field of cattle.

Not read all replies, so sorry if duplicating something.

Farmers use rifles. I know of a farmer who has African game stuffed and hung in his house that he went on safaris and shot himself. I have not seen the room but have been told by his close friend there are loads of animals preserved there. Farmers who are into hunting are good shots. Must admit I was shocked this game hunting still goes on, but have actually seen references to it in newspapers in the last few months.

To shoot a fox you watch it moving about until it pauses, then you shoot.
Foxes even if moving away from you (watch one if you get a chance) habitually pause to look back. Thats your moment. Explained to me by someone who used to double his salary a few decades back, by hunting birds / deer and selling them on to butchers etc.

Also most farmers are decent people, who would not choose to shoot someone's pet unless the circumstances were pretty desperate. However they are within their rights legally to do so.

TandemJeremy - Member
No - because you a troll. or stupid.

Read the link, listen to folk who know, check the law

because you a troll. or stupid.

My Two Penneth If you have a dog keep it on a lead unless you're on private property.

(Opinion from a family of owning Gun trained Springer Spaniels)

Why don't they just keep sheep in large barns or something with big fences round then there woon't be a problem with dogs and that?

I for one would support any campaign for a sheep (and cah) free environment.

Midnighthour - Member
Not read all replies, so sorry if duplicating something.

Farmers use rifles. I know of a farmer who has African game stuffed and hung in his house that he went on safaris and shot himself. I have not seen the room but have been told by his close friend there are loads of animals preserved there. Farmers who are into hunting are good shots. Must admit I was shocked this game hunting still goes on, but have actually seen references to it in newspapers in the last few months.

To shoot a fox you watch it moving about until it pauses, then you shoot.
Foxes even if moving away from you (watch one if you get a chance) habitually pause to look back. Thats your moment. Explained to me by someone who used to double his salary a few decades back, by hunting birds / deer and selling them on to butchers etc.

Also most farmers are decent people, who would not choose to shoot someone's pet unless the circumstances were pretty desperate. However they are within their rights legally to do so.

Well put Midnighthour - Member
Not read all replies, so sorry if duplicating something.

Foxes even if moving away from you (watch one if you get a chance) habitually pause to look back. Thats your moment. Explained to me by someone who used to double his salary a few decades back, by hunting birds / deer and selling them on to butchers etc.

Also most farmers are decent people, who would not choose to shoot someone's pet unless the circumstances were pretty desperate. However they are within their rights legally to do so.

Well put Midnighthour they do use a rifle but not with particuly high velocity. The game keeper I work for(only as a beater) and drink with uses a rifle But there is no requirement to wait for it to stop (the fox) aiming in front of slow moving animal (so he walks into the bullet) is easily done. In this case you would probably aim at the very front of the chest (depending on distance) and the fox would walk into it.

Elfinsafety - Member
Why don't they just keep sheep in large barns or something with big fences round then there woon't be a problem with dogs and that?

I for one would support any campaign for a sheep (and cah) free environment.

SD 253 - one of the bits you refused to see.

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[b]• If cattle react aggressively and move towards you, keep calm, let the dog go and take the shortest, safest route out of the field.[/b]

This is the advice from the experts.

Oh god, I am agreeing with TJ, the shame.

SD 253, you are mad or a troll, so far on this thread you have admitted carrying offensive weapons with the intent to kill/maim, you have wished a painful death on walkers by crushing, and have gone against all known advice to drop the lead, if cattle decide the dog is a threat that needs to be dealt with, so that the dog can lure them off and you can *walk* (FFS don't run, unless you don't mind the slowest person in the group getting crushed) to safety.

SD-253.... Yes cows are interested in people and will amble over to investigate walkers, but that is a very different proposition from having a herd 'lock-on' to your dog and start charging.

Very occasionally I'll forget about a field with cows and calves and take my dog for a walk in the wrong place. It's happened a few times over the years and it really is terrifying - as has been said, the only thing to do is let the dog off the lead so it can make a break for the nearest exit. And believe me, these cows are definitely intent on trampling the dog. No doubt whatsoever.

The dog does not then turn round and start worrying several tonnes of bovine angriness - he legs it. So please do stop spouting drivel.

for what its worth, my dog got chased by a dartmoor pony the other day.

Should I have shot it for dog worrying?

TandemJeremy - Member
SD 253 - one of the bits you refused to see.

If cattle react aggressively and move towards you, keep calm, let the dog go and take the shortest, safest route out of the field.

This is the advice from the experts.

You have yet to answer this

By the way you have not answered the "how would you feel if your wife chidren or parents came accross 3 aggressive dogs" "I will run and tell the council dog warden or ring the police" is I believe your answer and "you can't use a weapon to protect them according to you".......or were you talking about other people not being alowed to use weapons to protect there family?

or what its worth, my dog got chased by a dartmoor pony the other day.

Should I have shot it for dog worrying?

Depends on if you want to be eating pony burger for 18 months.

jam bo - Member
for what its worth, my dog got chased by a dartmoor pony the other day.

Should I have shot it for dog worrying?

no they aren't.

I think the OP must have lost the will to live after all this, he only wants to take his dog for a walk!

Jambos dog is well trained - I have plenty previous for giving dog owners "what for" on here but I do want a fair and honest answer - if the dog is properly trained so remains under control without a lead then that is perfectly acceptable

"how would you feel if your wife chidren or parents came accross 3 aggressive dogs"

I think any sane person, would answer this as follows: 'I would feel angry, and outraged and want the owners of the dogs held to account'

Most, wouldn't answer (well apart from on internet forums): 'I would go all bruce lee on their asses, and knife them, let them bleed, let them blleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddddddddd'

If you do decide to knife one of three german shepards, I expect to be read something in the news in the future about a man maulled to death after attacking 3 family pets.

Actually, after googling 'man killed by dog' it appears from the number of hits that more people get killed trying to save dogs than ever get killed by them actually attacking them. I am going to have to keep a closer eye on mine near ponds in case he shows any signs of wanting to 'upgrade' his owner, to one that feeds him steak.

Why don't they just keep sheep in large barns or something with big fences round then there woon't be a problem with dogs and that?

Battery sheep?

They are planning on battery farming cows:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/28/factory-farm-plans-under-fire

Sorta like, the anti-organic/welfare food movement 🙁

Everybody's dog is the best trained dog in the world and would never ever ever worry a sheep or turn around and snap a child on the had for pulling it's ears would it now...

If you're on the moor or in a park with children keep it on a lead, it's really very simple indeed.

fogliettaz - Member
I think the OP must have lost the will to live after all this, he only wants to take his dog for a walk!

and now he fears for his dogs life...

user-removed - Member
SD-253.... Yes cows are interested in people and will amble over to investigate walkers, but that is a very different proposition from having a herd 'lock-on' to your dog and start charging.

Very occasionally I'll forget about a field with cows and calves and take my dog for a walk in the wrong place. It's happened a few times over the years

the cattle are in and it really is terrifying

- as has been said, the only thing to do is let the dog off the lead so it can make a break for the nearest exit.

And believe me, these cows are definitely intent on trampling the dog. No doubt whatsoever.

The dog does not then turn round and start worrying several tones of bovine angriness - he legs it. So please do stop spouting drivel.

And believe me, these cows are definitely intent on trampling the dog. No doubt whatsoever.

Yep, I've had this. Sadly for the cows, my hound [i]loves[/i] to be chased. She actually slows down, looks over her shoulder, then speeds up if anything gets within about 15 feet. After a few seconds the bovine badasses running after her realised the game was up, had the grace to look embarrassed about their pathetic attempts to catch Susie, then went back to munching.

The cows weren't bothered about me at all.

You must have very agile dog how does it get over the stile?

All the dogs i've seen would either go under it (little dogs) or over it (medium to large ones) no problem, I've seen my dog clear a 5 ft wall without breaking stride to chase a squirrel.

Surely you know the fields the cattle are in.

I don't think I have the cow locator app on my phone, where do you get it? How the hell is someone supposed to know which fields have cows in the in advance of a walk?

for the attention of SD243

I have cattle dont like dogs especially when they have calves

Edited to avoid sinking to your level...

richc - Member
Oh god, I am agreeing with TJ, the shame.

SD 253, you are mad or a troll, so far on this thread you have admitted carrying offensive weapons with the intent to kill/maim, you have wished a painful death on walkers by crushing, and have gone against all known advice to drop the lead, if cattle decide the dog is a threat that needs to be dealt with, so that the dog can lure them off and you can *walk* (FFS don't run, unless you don't mind the slowest person in the group getting crushed) to safety.

richc - Member

I don't think I have the cow locator app on my phone, where do you get it? How the hell is someone supposed to know which fields have cows in the in advance of a walk?

richc - Member

You must have very agile dog how does it get over the stile?

All the dogs i've seen would either go under it (little dogs) or over it (medium to large ones) no problem, I've seen my dog clear a 5 ft wall without breaking stride to chase a squirrel.

The skinning knife is a lock knife I would have to unlock it very quickly.

I know that you aren't going to listen but just incase someone else picks this up.

Lock knifes are illegal to carry in a public place for ANY reason, are are alway treated as offensive weapons, regardless of blade length.

If you are caught with one the penalty is upto 4 years in jail and a £4000 pound fine. Even if you buy one you need to receipt to prove that you have just brought it and are taking it home!

http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/comment/law-lock-knives-need-re-examination

I was mugged for polos by a donkey once when walking - it was very threatening and Welsh.
I shot at a fox with a 12 bore on my step-dad's family's farm in Cheshire, I missed and now I'm glad I missed as a rural fox is a fine animal.
I thought that our dog wasn't interested in sheep until I had to chase her across Cheviot - she didn't get shot but now she goes on a lead.
I'm not sure if any of this is relevant.

I for one would support any campaign for a sheep (and cah) free environment.

Cows do sometime amble over to you but I would say a50% of the time they charge at you. How in hell do you know they were "locking" on to the dog?

did you grow up in a town, they dont charge at you 50% of the time they come over to see what ur doing in there field so times quite fast but move suddenly and they will run the other way, Muppet! If they charged you you would know about it.

[i] I will say this again it is rare for cattle not to run at you and I just went along footpath through a field of cattle and as usual they ran at me.[/i]

Strange, they only occasionally amble over when I go through a field, certainly never run.
Maybe you just smell hot to them. You haven't been splashing a bit too much Sex Heifer on your chest have you?

Here's the point ->.

you all might as well be on mars, you are missing it by so much.

I have 2 dogs, both rescues,

charley here:

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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/evilgoat/5162612882/ ]beach + stick = happy dog[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/evilgoat/ ]Evil Goat[/url], on Flickr

is half collie and rather partial to games of chase. Squirrels are his favourite, but given half a chance he'd have a go at "rounding" sheep.

This is the important bit so [b]read it and take note[/b] - I don't let him off the lead near livestock.

Hence my desire to walk my dogs somewhere where there are no sheep!

Alfie:

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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/evilgoat/5162006513/ ]Beach + sun = happy dog[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/evilgoat/ ]Evil Goat[/url], on Flickr

is pretty chilled out unless he sees that charley is threatened or is hot on the chase, then he will pile in at full speed.

They both have had experience of chasing and being chased by cows on my in-laws farm.

I will be walking them on and off the lead as appropriate to the location, but generally I will be planning to go places I can walk them more off the lead......

You haven't been splashing a bit too much Sex Heifer on your chest have you?

That was actually quite funny.

SD-253 go into a field of cows and shake a white plastic bucket, and you will quickly learn the difference between cows ambling and cows running towards you.

make sure you do this near a stile or gate though.

Nice dogs supersessions9-2, you can get sheep on beaches though .............

richc - Member

"how would you feel if your wife chidren or parents came accross 3 aggressive dogs"

I think any sane person, would answer this as follows: 'I would feel angry, and outraged and want the owners of the dogs held to account'

Most, wouldn't answer (well apart from on internet forums): 'I would go all bruce lee on their asses, and knife them, let them bleed, let them blleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddddddddd'

If you do decide to knife one of three german shepards, I expect to be read something in the news in the future about a man maulled to death after attacking 3 family pets.

If you do decide to knife one of three german shepards, I expect to be read something in the news in the future about a man maulled to death after attacking 3 family pets.

well if you dogs killed my loved one, my farmers shotgun would kill you and ur ****ing shit producing dogs!

Well considering out of control dogs is a civil offense with a fine of upto £1000, and you have admitted carrying around an offensive weapon which carries a penalty of upto 4 years in prison and a £4000 fine. I would be more worried about you, as the dog walker is committing a minor civil offence and you are committing a major criminal one.

well if you dogs killed my loved one, my farmers shotgun would kill you and ur **** shit producing dogs!

How would you kill a dog thats already been put down? or are you talking about murdering the owner after the police investigation?

Also bear in mind that the person commenting that the dogs are wild and out of control doesn't know the difference between animals walking and charging, so his judgement doesn't seem to be the best.

did you grow up in a town,

they dont charge at you 50% of the time

they come over to see what ur doing in there field so times quite fast but move suddenly and they will run the other way,

Muppet!

If they charged you you would know about it.

so times quite fast

How would you kill a dog thats already been put down? or are you talking about murdering the owner after the poilice investigation?

Ok just for example im at home in one of my own fields with a small child that im related to, you are in the same field with ur dog, it attacks and kills said child, i go home get shot gun out , find you kill you...then call the police

Ok just for example im at home in one of my own fields with a small child that im related to, you are in the same field with ur dog, it attacks and kills said child, i go home get shot gun out , find you kill you...then call the police

Surely the person, whose dog has just committed the horrenous act would have called the police first? and might have even destroyed the dog, as to tell the truth I cannot think of single sane person who would ever think of or could defend their dog after such an awful act, as ultimately as much as people care for a dog, its life is worth nothing compared to that of a person.

Also you are talking about premeditated murder, as you have actually had time to think about what you were going to do, planned it, and then commited the crime. So instead of one terrible horrenous act which has ended one life, you will have ended three (the child, the dog owner and yours as you would spend a long time in prison).

To tell the truth the thought of my dog or any dog killing a child makes me feel sick .....

as the dog walker is committing a minor civil offence and you are committing a major criminal one.

well if you dogs killed my loved one, my farmers shotgun would kill you and ur **** shit producing dogs!

How would you kill a dog thats already been put down? or are you talking about murdering the owner after the police investigation?

aving aggressivedogs of the lead without even a collars on?

I am assuming of = off btw.

Have the dogs attacked your children? I am guessing No? then the owner is at worst; if found guilty would have committed the 'civil' offence of dogs dangerously out of control.

You on the other hand *HAVE* and *ARE* commiting the *CRIMINAL* offence of carrying an offensive weapon in a public place.

Surely richc ilovemygears is talking about killing the dogs at the time

No, he was talking about going home, getting a gun, killing the dog, and the owner then calling the Police. Most people don't take their kids out for a walk with firearms in this country, I could be wrong though ......

By the way richc why are they allowed to sell lock knives if they are illegal? And what constitutes a public place? Does the same rules apply to pen knives? What constitutes a lock knife I have it in front of me it opens and then appears to lock? as in I cannot close it withotu pressing down on the back of it? There is nothing ironic in this question

sd-253 - are the dogs really aggressive or just excited?

Are their tongues hanging and out and are they dancing around with their tails in the air?

No, he was talking about going home, getting a gun, killing the dog, and the owner then calling the Police. Most people don't take their kids out for a walk with firearms in this country, I could be wrong though ......

No, he was talking about going home, getting a gun, killing the dog,

Lock knife - always illegal without good cause. pen knife excemption made for small ones under 3"

http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html

The are only illegal to carry in a public place, and the blade length doesn't matter, they are legal at home. If you purchase one you need an itemised receipt to take it home, to ensure you won't get arrested.

Remember the the big anti knife crime drive a few years ago? this was one of the laws the brought in to help the police target people who carry knives.

This article covers the subject better than I ever could:
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/comment/law-lock-knives-need-re-examination

If the blade, locks into place and requires a release catch its a lock knife.

I only really know about this as they was a big article in the guardian a year or so ago where a city lawyer got arrested, as the police saw him eating his lunch with a lock knife, and he was disputing the arrest and possible conviction as it would cost him his job (lawyers cannot have a criminal record).

sd-253, what sort of gun does he carry? a shotgun or a rifle or a high powered sniper rifle or a rpg?

supersessions9-2 - Member
sd-253 - are the dogs really aggressive or just excited?

Are their tongues hanging and out and are they dancing around with their tails in the air?

Lock knife - always illegal without good cause. pen knife excemption made for small ones under 3"

Not true according to the Police

A lock knife is not a folding pocket knife and therefore it is illegal to carry around such a knife regardless of the length of the blade

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q337.htm

Snarling and low to the groound

Seriously, if you aren't making this up, and they regularly do that (and the only reason I say regularly, is it will make it easier to prove) report them to the Police now! **** waiting for them to actually bite someone, its your civic reponsibility to let the authorities know immediately so they can take appropriate action, before they actually do attack someone.

Misunderzstanding

Lock knife - always illegal without good cause. [i]P[/i]en knife [i]has[/i] excemption made for small ones under 3"

ie lock knife is never legal - a small non locking penknife is

richc - Member
The are only illegal to carry in a public place, and the blade length doesn't matter, they are legal at home. If you purchase one you need an itemised receipt to take it home, to ensure you won't get arrested.

Remember the the big anti knife crime drive a few years ago? this was one of the laws the brought in to help the police target people who carry knives.

This article covers the subject better than I ever could:
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/comment/law-lock-knives-need-re-examination

If the blade, locks into place and requires a release catch its a lock knife.

I only really know about this as they was a big article in the guardian a year or so ago where a city lawyer got arrested, as the police saw him eating his lunch with a lock knife, and he was disputing the arrest and possible conviction as it would cost him his job (lawyers cannot have a criminal record).

I think you're being ignored on your own thread, supersessions9-2.

Amazing troll. Bravo.

Isn't it about time someone was called a nazi?

Or called the edinburgh defence?

Personally, I'm off to walk my dog off the lead

I blame thatcher!

Snarling and low to the groound

Seriously, if you aren't making this up, and they regularly do that (and the only reason I say regularly, is it will make it easier to prove) report them to the Police now! **** waiting for them to actually bite someone, its your civic reponsibility to let the authorities know immediately so they can take appropriate action, before they actually do attack someone.

Well we had a great time in the lakes.

We totally broke the rules and our dogs ran free on access land. No sheep or nesting birds were chased or harmed.

🙂

richc - Member
The are only illegal to carry in a public place, and the blade length doesn't matter, they are legal at home. If you purchase one you need an itemised receipt to take it home, to ensure you won't get arrested.

Remember the the big anti knife crime drive a few years ago? this was one of the laws the brought in to help the police target people who carry knives.

This article covers the subject better than I ever could:
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/comment/law-lock-knives-need-re-examination

If the blade, locks into place and requires a release catch its a lock knife.

I only really know about this as they was a big article in the guardian a year or so ago where a city lawyer got arrested, as the police saw him eating his lunch with a lock knife, and he was disputing the arrest and possible conviction as it would cost him his job (lawyers cannot have a criminal record).

Only just checked that article and It said this

You could say that you use it in your work, but even this explanation will not vindicate you – after arrest it will be a matter for the courts to decide.