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I was going to write something but really can't be bothered. This thread has turned into stupid arguments about nothing.
anagallis_arvensis - Member"I have never ever seen a walker with a dog on a lead being "worried" by cattle any more than humans are in general. Yet again someone who is an expert in the field of ignorance!"
I have cattle dont like dogs especially when they have calves. I've seen cattle chase off sheep dogs. But what do I know I only grew up on a farm and have worked on some too.
I have just reread again your remarks, where did I say cattle would not chase of dogs that are running loose and worrying them. Wake up and give up the wacky baccy
TandemJeremy - Member
I cry troll
Yep I have to agree you are!
supersessions9-2 - Member
I was going to write something but really can't be bothered. This thread has turned into stupid arguments about nothing.
Yes I agree but I am afraid I am easily annoyed by ignorant people my apoligies to you supersessions9-2
so distilling 3 pages down thsi thread goes something like this:
farmers shoot dogs,
no they don't,
yes they do and with shotguns,
no they use m16s
no they send their cows in to trample you.
cows don't trample you rappers do......
TandemJeremy - Member
I cry troll
So any one who disagrees with you is a troll? maybe you. You appear not to be able to answer my previous statement is that because you are wrong? Now must go as I have to go for a walk on farmland with cattle who as usual will run upto me and there bear off as soon as they get close just like they always do. dog or no dog.
No - because you a troll. or stupid.
Read the link, listen to folk who know, check the law
Ahh yes, the whiff of TrollShit
But just in case no trolls around...
Yet again pure ignorance the cattle will go to the dogs owner (merely because they are inquisitive animals) as they would if the walker had a dog or not. The fact that you worked on a farm is irrelative I on the other hand am out waling most days and have cattle charging up to me and I have no dog. By the way which arable farm did you work on? "I worked on a farm when I was tenager" so you are an expert on animal behavior?...... buffoon
I'm prety comfortable around most cattle. My exceptions would be Channel Island cows (Jerseys, Guernseys - both a rare sight these days), any dairy breed bulls, and 18 month or so beef steers / bullocks.
Ohh, and my farm work - an old fashioned mixed dairy / beef / arable farm in Cornwall. About 70 milkers - mainly Friesians, plus a few Holsteins and a couple off channel islands to bring the overall cream content up.
Most of my work was with the beef herd and arable, which was rotated on one farm unit. So a lot of Friesian / Hereford crosses from the dairy unit, then as meat fashions changed Friesian crossed with Charolais (and the occaisional Limousin) - and at circa 1 ton these are mad as hatters. They were also building upo a herd of South Devons - big cattle, but (in general) very good natured.
So, no i'm not an expert on animal behaviour, but have enough confidence in my own experience to gauge how / when / if to go through a field of cattle.
Not read all replies, so sorry if duplicating something.
Farmers use rifles. I know of a farmer who has African game stuffed and hung in his house that he went on safaris and shot himself. I have not seen the room but have been told by his close friend there are loads of animals preserved there. Farmers who are into hunting are good shots. Must admit I was shocked this game hunting still goes on, but have actually seen references to it in newspapers in the last few months.
To shoot a fox you watch it moving about until it pauses, then you shoot.
Foxes even if moving away from you (watch one if you get a chance) habitually pause to look back. Thats your moment. Explained to me by someone who used to double his salary a few decades back, by hunting birds / deer and selling them on to butchers etc.
Also most farmers are decent people, who would not choose to shoot someone's pet unless the circumstances were pretty desperate. However they are within their rights legally to do so.
TandemJeremy - Member
No - because you a troll. or stupid.Read the link, listen to folk who know, check the law
Come on TandemJeremy I cannot think of a single time I haven't come accross you giving your views on every possible subject all day long. Although I use the site iregularly you clearly don't, now if that is not the definition of a troll what is?
Surely someone who is as ignorant as you suggest I am would be stupid where would troll come into it? You really need to stop saying the first thing that comes into your head.because you a troll. or stupid.
By the way you have not answered the "how would you feel if your wife chidren or parents came accross 3 aggressive dogs" "I will run and tell the council dog warden or ring the police" is I believe your answer and "you can't use a weapon to protect them according to you".......or were you talking abot other people not being alowed to use weapons to protect there family?
My Two Penneth If you have a dog keep it on a lead unless you're on private property.
(Opinion from a family of owning Gun trained Springer Spaniels)
Why don't they just keep sheep in large barns or something with big fences round then there woon't be a problem with dogs and that?
I for one would support any campaign for a sheep (and cah) free environment.
Midnighthour - Member
Not read all replies, so sorry if duplicating something.Farmers use rifles. I know of a farmer who has African game stuffed and hung in his house that he went on safaris and shot himself. I have not seen the room but have been told by his close friend there are loads of animals preserved there. Farmers who are into hunting are good shots. Must admit I was shocked this game hunting still goes on, but have actually seen references to it in newspapers in the last few months.
To shoot a fox you watch it moving about until it pauses, then you shoot.
Foxes even if moving away from you (watch one if you get a chance) habitually pause to look back. Thats your moment. Explained to me by someone who used to double his salary a few decades back, by hunting birds / deer and selling them on to butchers etc.Also most farmers are decent people, who would not choose to shoot someone's pet unless the circumstances were pretty desperate. However they are within their rights legally to do so.
Well put Midnighthour - Member
Not read all replies, so sorry if duplicating something.
Foxes even if moving away from you (watch one if you get a chance) habitually pause to look back. Thats your moment. Explained to me by someone who used to double his salary a few decades back, by hunting birds / deer and selling them on to butchers etc.
Also most farmers are decent people, who would not choose to shoot someone's pet unless the circumstances were pretty desperate. However they are within their rights legally to do so.
Well put Midnighthour they do use a rifle but not with particuly high velocity. The game keeper I work for(only as a beater) and drink with uses a rifle But there is no requirement to wait for it to stop (the fox) aiming in front of slow moving animal (so he walks into the bullet) is easily done. In this case you would probably aim at the very front of the chest (depending on distance) and the fox would walk into it.
Elfinsafety - Member
Why don't they just keep sheep in large barns or something with big fences round then there woon't be a problem with dogs and that?I for one would support any campaign for a sheep (and cah) free environment.
I assume you are joking Elfinsafety as obviously this would be considered cruel furthermore what would you feed them on? Sheep feed is used when they are lambing indoors and if they are brought in for the winter keeping them inside would make it inpossible to sell them (price).
SD 253 - one of the bits you refused to see.
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[b]• If cattle react aggressively and move towards you, keep calm, let the dog go and take the shortest, safest route out of the field.[/b]
This is the advice from the experts.
Oh god, I am agreeing with TJ, the shame.
SD 253, you are mad or a troll, so far on this thread you have admitted carrying offensive weapons with the intent to kill/maim, you have wished a painful death on walkers by crushing, and have gone against all known advice to drop the lead, if cattle decide the dog is a threat that needs to be dealt with, so that the dog can lure them off and you can *walk* (FFS don't run, unless you don't mind the slowest person in the group getting crushed) to safety.
SD-253.... Yes cows are interested in people and will amble over to investigate walkers, but that is a very different proposition from having a herd 'lock-on' to your dog and start charging.
Very occasionally I'll forget about a field with cows and calves and take my dog for a walk in the wrong place. It's happened a few times over the years and it really is terrifying - as has been said, the only thing to do is let the dog off the lead so it can make a break for the nearest exit. And believe me, these cows are definitely intent on trampling the dog. No doubt whatsoever.
The dog does not then turn round and start worrying several tonnes of bovine angriness - he legs it. So please do stop spouting drivel.
for what its worth, my dog got chased by a dartmoor pony the other day.
Should I have shot it for dog worrying?
TandemJeremy - Member
SD 253 - one of the bits you refused to see.If cattle react aggressively and move towards you, keep calm, let the dog go and take the shortest, safest route out of the field.
This is the advice from the experts.
Yes I did answer you. What experts? Do you mean the goverment? Who no doubt you believe when it suits you. I will say this again it is rare for cattle not to run at you and I just went along footpath through a field of cattle and as usual they ran at me. This is normal behaviour how letting your dog of would make any differance is beyond me. You have to grasp it you if and the so called experts you to choose to believe on this occasion say otherwise you are talking bollocks.
You have yet to answer this
By the way you have not answered the "how would you feel if your wife chidren or parents came accross 3 aggressive dogs" "I will run and tell the council dog warden or ring the police" is I believe your answer and "you can't use a weapon to protect them according to you".......or were you talking about other people not being alowed to use weapons to protect there family?
Can I assume you put a high value on your families life and fear than you think others should put. Surprise me and answer
or what its worth, my dog got chased by a dartmoor pony the other day.Should I have shot it for dog worrying?
Depends on if you want to be eating pony burger for 18 months.
jam bo - Member
for what its worth, my dog got chased by a dartmoor pony the other day.Should I have shot it for dog worrying?
I think everyone is agreement that you should not have your dog loose
no they aren't.
I think the OP must have lost the will to live after all this, he only wants to take his dog for a walk!
Jambos dog is well trained - I have plenty previous for giving dog owners "what for" on here but I do want a fair and honest answer - if the dog is properly trained so remains under control without a lead then that is perfectly acceptable
"how would you feel if your wife chidren or parents came accross 3 aggressive dogs"
I think any sane person, would answer this as follows: 'I would feel angry, and outraged and want the owners of the dogs held to account'
Most, wouldn't answer (well apart from on internet forums): 'I would go all bruce lee on their asses, and knife them, let them bleed, let them blleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddddddddd'
If you do decide to knife one of three german shepards, I expect to be read something in the news in the future about a man maulled to death after attacking 3 family pets.
Actually, after googling 'man killed by dog' it appears from the number of hits that more people get killed trying to save dogs than ever get killed by them actually attacking them. I am going to have to keep a closer eye on mine near ponds in case he shows any signs of wanting to 'upgrade' his owner, to one that feeds him steak.
Why don't they just keep sheep in large barns or something with big fences round then there woon't be a problem with dogs and that?
Battery sheep?
They are planning on battery farming cows:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/28/factory-farm-plans-under-fire
Sorta like, the anti-organic/welfare food movement 🙁
Everybody's dog is the best trained dog in the world and would never ever ever worry a sheep or turn around and snap a child on the had for pulling it's ears would it now...
If you're on the moor or in a park with children keep it on a lead, it's really very simple indeed.
fogliettaz - Member
I think the OP must have lost the will to live after all this, he only wants to take his dog for a walk!
and now he fears for his dogs life...
user-removed - Member
SD-253.... Yes cows are interested in people and will amble over to investigate walkers, but that is a very different proposition from having a herd 'lock-on' to your dog and start charging.
Again I say that you have absolutely no idea if they were charging you because of your dog. Once when walking through the night with a friend an entire heard of cows charged at us and I am talking of probably a hundred or so as usual they went round. Again no dog. Cows do sometime amble over to you but I would say a50% of the time they charge at you. How in hell do you know they were "locking" on to the dog?
Surely you know the fields the cattle are in.Very occasionally I'll forget about a field with cows and calves and take my dog for a walk in the wrong place. It's happened a few times over the years
Get a grip of yourself they go round youthe cattle are in and it really is terrifying
- as has been said, the only thing to do is let the dog off the lead so it can make a break for the nearest exit.
You must have very agile dog how does it get over the stile? Further more I doubt if would even know where the exit is or put another way the cattle would chase him all day
Well I have a doubt and further more initially they will run away from dog but will turn on it after a short period and dogs will not automatically run like hell because they are more agile than the cattle allot more. The dog will quite often continue to chase the cattle until they get tossed (assuming horns)And believe me, these cows are definitely intent on trampling the dog. No doubt whatsoever.
Yes they do and I have seen them do so (although once tossed that dog never went near cattle again) the handler had to clear the cattle out of the way to work the dog (the dogs obedience left a lot to be desired) Also I have seen a farmer actually bring in the cows with a dog. The dog once hung onto one cows tail! The cows of course were used to being rounded up by the dog so that made a difference. Now you will have grasp this fact that you have no idea what the cows had in there mind when they charged you and did they trample you no because they run round...unless you run away. Get a grip there is nothing to be terrified about, just ignore them.The dog does not then turn round and start worrying several tones of bovine angriness - he legs it. So please do stop spouting drivel.
And believe me, these cows are definitely intent on trampling the dog. No doubt whatsoever.
Yep, I've had this. Sadly for the cows, my hound [i]loves[/i] to be chased. She actually slows down, looks over her shoulder, then speeds up if anything gets within about 15 feet. After a few seconds the bovine badasses running after her realised the game was up, had the grace to look embarrassed about their pathetic attempts to catch Susie, then went back to munching.
The cows weren't bothered about me at all.
You must have very agile dog how does it get over the stile?
All the dogs i've seen would either go under it (little dogs) or over it (medium to large ones) no problem, I've seen my dog clear a 5 ft wall without breaking stride to chase a squirrel.
Surely you know the fields the cattle are in.
I don't think I have the cow locator app on my phone, where do you get it? How the hell is someone supposed to know which fields have cows in the in advance of a walk?
for the attention of SD243
I have cattle dont like dogs especially when they have calves
should have said I have seen cattle, they were my fathers cattle. You clearly do not understand the difference between cattle coming up to you to see if you wil feed them and ones that are after a dog, horses will often attack dogs too. Vat majority of cattle and horses will not attack people but many will go for a dogs. You really do have no idea what you are talking about.
Edited to avoid sinking to your level...
richc - Member
Oh god, I am agreeing with TJ, the shame.SD 253, you are mad or a troll, so far on this thread you have admitted carrying offensive weapons with the intent to kill/maim, you have wished a painful death on walkers by crushing, and have gone against all known advice to drop the lead, if cattle decide the dog is a threat that needs to be dealt with, so that the dog can lure them off and you can *walk* (FFS don't run, unless you don't mind the slowest person in the group getting crushed) to safety.
I am afraid most people who hunt carry knives so offensive weapon it is not and in the countryside it is pretty well normal to have a penknife with you hunter or not. I never said I would stab the dogs I said I carry stick to protect myself. A mushroom knife is curved so stabbing is not even possible. The skinning knife is a lock knife I would have to unlock it very quickly. I have not wished a painfull death on anyone I assume it would be quick and where does walkers come into it. I am out walking most days, hardly someone who wishes a "painfull death" on anyone. Really richc there is no point in lieing I would hardly ignore it. Again just ignore the cattle you ares scared because you have no knowledge. I am not scared because I have knowledge and I suggest everyone read what nickf has written above.
richc - MemberI don't think I have the cow locator app on my phone, where do you get it? How the hell is someone supposed to know which fields have cows in the in advance of a walk?
Can I suggest looking in the feild first?
richc - MemberYou must have very agile dog how does it get over the stile?
All the dogs i've seen would either go under it (little dogs) or over it (medium to large ones) no problem, I've seen my dog clear a 5 ft wall without breaking stride to chase a squirrel.
A wall is not a barbed wire fence
The skinning knife is a lock knife I would have to unlock it very quickly.
I know that you aren't going to listen but just incase someone else picks this up.
Lock knifes are illegal to carry in a public place for ANY reason, are are alway treated as offensive weapons, regardless of blade length.
If you are caught with one the penalty is upto 4 years in jail and a £4000 pound fine. Even if you buy one you need to receipt to prove that you have just brought it and are taking it home!
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/comment/law-lock-knives-need-re-examination
I was mugged for polos by a donkey once when walking - it was very threatening and Welsh.
I shot at a fox with a 12 bore on my step-dad's family's farm in Cheshire, I missed and now I'm glad I missed as a rural fox is a fine animal.
I thought that our dog wasn't interested in sheep until I had to chase her across Cheviot - she didn't get shot but now she goes on a lead.
I'm not sure if any of this is relevant.
I for one would support any campaign for a sheep (and cah) free environment.
Not sure why it's an issue for you - surely that there Lahndahn you so love is already a sheep and cow free environment (apart from the bits of them in supermarkets).
Cows do sometime amble over to you but I would say a50% of the time they charge at you. How in hell do you know they were "locking" on to the dog?
did you grow up in a town, they dont charge at you 50% of the time they come over to see what ur doing in there field so times quite fast but move suddenly and they will run the other way, Muppet! If they charged you you would know about it.
[i] I will say this again it is rare for cattle not to run at you and I just went along footpath through a field of cattle and as usual they ran at me.[/i]
Strange, they only occasionally amble over when I go through a field, certainly never run.
Maybe you just smell hot to them. You haven't been splashing a bit too much Sex Heifer on your chest have you?
Here's the point ->.
you all might as well be on mars, you are missing it by so much.
I have 2 dogs, both rescues,
charley here:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/evilgoat/5162612882/ ]beach + stick = happy dog[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/evilgoat/ ]Evil Goat[/url], on Flickr
is half collie and rather partial to games of chase. Squirrels are his favourite, but given half a chance he'd have a go at "rounding" sheep.
This is the important bit so [b]read it and take note[/b] - I don't let him off the lead near livestock.
Hence my desire to walk my dogs somewhere where there are no sheep!
Alfie:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/evilgoat/5162006513/ ]Beach + sun = happy dog[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/evilgoat/ ]Evil Goat[/url], on Flickr
is pretty chilled out unless he sees that charley is threatened or is hot on the chase, then he will pile in at full speed.
They both have had experience of chasing and being chased by cows on my in-laws farm.
I will be walking them on and off the lead as appropriate to the location, but generally I will be planning to go places I can walk them more off the lead......
You haven't been splashing a bit too much Sex Heifer on your chest have you?
That was actually quite funny.
SD-253 go into a field of cows and shake a white plastic bucket, and you will quickly learn the difference between cows ambling and cows running towards you.
make sure you do this near a stile or gate though.
Nice dogs supersessions9-2, you can get sheep on beaches though .............