interesting - and of course pretty much what the pro independence folk have been saying but nice to see someone who was so unionist last time changing so dramatically
Tremendous. Scotland as a financial centre, thats what the SNP and its voters are looking for eh ? How can you have a financial centre with no central bank ? Also as stated a million times and recently reaffirmed by the EU itself an Indy Scorland would have to rejoin the EU from scratch. That takes 5-10 years.
At no point in either of those links does the content match the headline.
Jamba, that's balls, but you keep repeating it, you might believe it one day. Only real stumbling block to joining is bringing your law into line with EU law. And considering Scotlands law is already in line. It would suggest that from scratch is just nonsense. And the is no queue either that alot of people seem to think.
Not to say that I'd want us to join right away. I'd rather play hard to get anyhow. Don't really see any benefit to looking too lean to get in.
But you go on bring up the Spanish. We all know that's your next port of call. 😆
Only real stumbling block to joining is bringing your law into line with EU law.
You should probably look up the Fiscal Stability Pact, you would need to reduce your deficit from nearly 10% to 3% before joining.
It would be amusing to watch a so-called anti austerity party tackling the reduction of their deficit alone. Especially when they know that raising income tax is such a bad idea!!
But at least the mandarin starts from a sensible position - a Scottosh currency and all that requires eg Central Bank etc. but imagine for one moment the responsibility of regulating and being responsible for good old RBS! Then then more obvious question - where would you locate if you ae a major financial company: rUK with the BoE as your lender of last resort or Scotland with a new, untested one. What would happened to their costs of capital and finding if they made the silly choice?
But at least there is a logical constistncy to independence and an independent curescy - the crucial element tha yS tried to bluff last time. But of course that logical consistency completely evaporates when you then have to move the € - fast tracked or not - and then give up monetary, fiscal and political independence to an even more detached body that Westminster. The elephant this time is bigger and much more obvious than all the little 670 elephants that filled the room in the last "debate" - indy2 would have.more lies than Brexshit which would be quite something.
The spinning of his lack of logically thinking will be very amusing to watch as will be the negotiations and cost of trade with Scotlands main trading partner, Anyone remember who that is?
#SDBMB
The MTO is the central concept of the preventive arm that serves to ensure sustainable public finances and compliance with the 3% of GDP deficit criterion in all but the most unusual adverse circumstances. According to the preventive arm of the SGP, countries must attain the MTO or be on an appropriate adjustment path towards it.
brexit = "the most unusual adverse circumstances"
Also notice the adjustment path bit
Love how you still insist on putting Rbs failure at the feet of Scotland thm.. a bank (de 😆 )regulated under UK law. Show me where the Scottish parliament was involved there?
btw there's also a 60% debt limit aswell. 17 out of 28 Eu states are in breach of it. (FYI, 6 also breach the deficit limit too, including the good ole uk.)
No I don't Joe, I merely point out the challenges of regulating and back-stopping insitutions of that size. But don't worry, they will decamp their HQ well before that. The would be stupid not to.
So give me the logic to joining the Euro (assuming it still exists by then - ah there it is!!!)
We don't join the euro. (see Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, none use the Euro.)
Thing is here, the currency question was important last time because of non commitment of the SNP to go with one option, and the argument "we'll just keep the pound" seemed evasive, which it absolutely was (essentially alex didn't want to say we'll create a scottish currency called the pound, which is what he ment imo.)
It's pretty much accepted now that scotland would start it's own currency, so the currency argument no longer works.
As for RBS decamping their head quarters, happy days, see you later. I'm pretty certain we'll be able to create another bank to fill the void.
No he'd didn't - he was BS on the currency because he didn't have an answer and was bluffing. He got caught with his pants down,
Plus you know why the Euro is an issue, just choosing to ignore it. Ok, thats nothing new.
So lets accept a Scpttish pound - why would you want to increase the costs and challenges of trading with Scotland's largets trading partner? That illogical. Where possible you do exactly the opposite - unless you are narcissists who believe that your own interests > those of the Scottish people. Again nothing new there.
#SDBMB
So let me get this straight, your argument is, don't go or we're going to hammer you with trading costs?
Nice! Guess it's progress, and better than don't go, youse are useless! 😆
I have never been in the "you're useless" camp as you know. I have consistently argued thatt Scots (mostly!) are FAR too canny to fall for nonsense. They demonstrated that wih Brexshit.
It wouldn't be us hammering you with trading costs - you would be doing that yourself - pure self harm A new volatile peteocurrency is just what nobody needs....
...but then of course you would then be compounding this by joining the Euro with all tha entails. Self harm #2
#SDBMB
Love how you still insist on putting Rbs failure at the feet of Scotland thm.. a bank (de )regulated under UK law. Show me where the [u]Scottish parliament was involved[/u] there?
Nice, delibaretly careful, wording there.
Let's not forget:
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MacPherson actually wrote the original FT article which is quoted in today's National late last summer.
I would favour having our own currency and I am optimistic that the EU would make a deal.
Another interesting stat re performance of scotland under UK rule, and comparing it with countries that are close by and of similar population.
Country - population (m) GDP per capita (thousands)
Scotland - 5.4 - 30
Ireland - 3.4 - 61
sweden - 2.2 - 70
denmark - 1.8 - 60
beligium - 6.4 - 46
norway - 5.5 - 61
So perhaps, these new trade cost wont be so difficult to pay for when our GDP rises to the level it should be at...
UK rule = piss poor performance. (for reference, UK as a whole is 41, so even as a whole the UK is under performing..)
QT from glasgow just started, i expect it'll be the usual drivel mind! 😆
It's not a good panel!
Turned over from Newsnight, might turn back.
Angry lady is enough off a tartan turn off!!
Jambas favourite Baroness is on too!
Still after your persecution of rare animals thread (unintentional mind) we have another one here - a real tartan Tory
Another interesting stat re performance of scotland under UK rule, and comparing it with countries that are close by and of similar population.
Blimey, shocking figures indeed. Can you imagine how much worse off Scotland would be without all the assistance it receives from the UK 😯
@seaso the rukes about joining the euro and new members have changed since Sweden/Denmark/UK and those other countries are so weak economically they don't qualify. Scotland's only route to avoiding the euro would be to be as poor as Romania.
chakrabati fair got clamped in her portayal of the family against family civil war she was trying to project! 😆
all within the context of the uk. you get the derry! 😆jambalaya - Member
Another interesting stat re performance of scotland under UK rule, and comparing it with countries that are close by and of similar population.Blimey, shocking figures indeed. Can you imagine how much worse off Scotland would be without all the assistance it receives from the UK
A wee bit shouty Scotch 😉
The BS on rights of EU citizens right now is funny
mundell does have a panto style face that requires skelping. so understandable! 😆
Very, very angry indeed... 😀
Whey hey, a good question now...
Littlewood missing the obvious EU flaw ie, no mechanism for recycling surpluses, unlike the UK. At least angry lady admits that no one knows what the EU is going to look like.
Mark littlewood wood seems like a reasonable chap.
Carefully Joe, he runs a free market think tank!!
Quality [s]shouting[/s] debate now between the two MSPs!!! 😉
dunno why swinney didn't just state the obvious there that 55% voting to stay and the uk, and 62% voting to stay in the EU are irreconcilable and only way to solve that conundrum is to put the question back to the public.
Why doesn't he say let's have another vote tomorrow, do,you think? 😉
teamhurtmore - Member
edit: wrong quote! Carefully Joe, he runs a free market think tank!!
aye wasn't vouchng for him for life, just on the points he made on that particular subject! 😆
Aye and I know which one!!!
I doubt you liked the man in the blue jumper though 😉
Is that stat about more scots voted to stay in the UK than to stay in the EU true?
eamhurtmore - Member
Is that stat about more scots voted to stay in the UK than to stay in the EU true?
the other way about, more voted to stay in the EU.
agree with him again, get the politicians out of education. 😆
Hear, hear.
You might want to check the stats!!! Check 2m to 1.66m !!
Odd that the teachers in the audience are anti the Scottish curriculum and a givernment who claims to prioritise education and be judged on it!!! 😉
You might want to check the stats!!! Check 2m to 1.66m !!
didn't know you ment absolute number, aye in that case yes. Refs don't get counted on total numbers though, so if people don't get off their arse tough titty, they simply increase the value of everyone elses vote.
Regardless I still support waiting longer to call a ref anyhow. I don't personally believe coming out of the Brexit/ coming out of the EU is a valid pretext for a referendum. If you're going to have a ref, it should be based on what best for scotland not pure opportunism!
I'd still vote aye the morra though! 😆
Turn out was only 67% for the EU referendum way below turnout for the indyref hence the win in Scotland for Remain with only 1.6 million votes.
First time I have seen qt for a very long time, seems like it may have improved a little in terms of audience composition but I won't miss it.
Indeed and yet the common narrative is that Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU (1,66m) but only just to stay in the UK (2m) 😉
"Only" 20% more Scots voted for staying in the Uk than for staying in EU !!! Good old SNP spinning.
You spin me round, round baby, right round, like a record... 😉
This from someone who spins more than these
teamhurtmore - Member
Indeed and yet the common narrative is that Scotland voted overwhelming to stay in the EU (1,66m) but only just to stay in the UK (2m)"Only" 20% more Scots voted for staying in the Uk than for staying in EU !!! Good old SNP spinning.
You spin me round, round baby, right round, like a record...
But still 1 result v another separate result. They are irreconcilable regardless of how you spin it.
True on the first point and we can leave the numbers spat to JK Rowling and old weasel words (the comments in the Guardian piece in that are quite funny!)
Sleep well!!
Well TMs speech today seems to have been designed to push any wavering unionists toward voting for indy
In the same way that Maybot's hard Brexit appears to be uniting Ireland it will be dividing mainland britain
🙂
tom devines interview is more interesting. better than harking on about sound bites.
worth a read.
Cheers seosamh, good read.
