I had always assumed that Sturgeon feels she needs to win an election fought on a "lets have a referendum" basis before she can go rogue and set about holding one anyway, thereby triggering a constitutional crisis.
I don't think the Internal Markets Bill will affect the constitutional issues surrounding a second referendum?
Boris is not a democrat and I don’t think he will agree to a referendum when he might well lose it. It is a problem for the SNP and the wider Yes movement what comes after yet another mandate is rejected, and Holyrood powers are reduced by the internal market bill?
I think both sides know this, however I am not sure that things are going to improve enough for Boris to ever feel confident about it. Cameron's Government seems like the good old days and all that would have taken was a 6% swing.
I don’t think the Internal Markets Bill will affect the constitutional issues surrounding a second referendum?
No not directly but they will leave Holyrood less powerful than it currently is and will allow the UK government to legislate in devolved areas.
The independent court case determining whether or not a Section 30 order is even required hasn't concluded yet.
And the D'Hondt system will ensure that type of SNP lead is watered down by the time Holyrood seats are apportioned.
But Tory gov is now feeling less a less like a short term problem and a new English centric way of life.
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But Tory gov is now feeling less a less like a short term problem and a London centric way of life.
Don't you dare suggest that BoJo and his scum are doing any more for northern England than they are for Scotland. 😁
I can’t see that happening any time soon and I would like my daughter to grow up with the same opportunities I had.
Well Brexit has already ****ed that big time.
That was my point. I'd rather it wasn't the case but that ship has sailed. This isn't the country it was 6 years ago.
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But Tory gov is now feeling less a less like a short term problem and a London centric way of life.
Don’t you dare suggest that BoJo and his scum are doing any more for northern England than they are for Scotland.
Really? Because the former have consistently voted against the shitstorm we find ourselves in whilst the latter voted for it. London is by and large not to blame in this but let's not allow facts to get in the way of some ignorant nonsense. London =/= Westminster
Devolution has been a disaster according to inept PM
De Peffle has put his foot in it (again). Sturgeon must be delighted.
Just reading the comments on the bottom of the Torygraph story of Johnson's comments and the vitriol is amazing. I know the English/Scottish relationship can get pretty salty at times, but the anger/hatred/resentment at the Scots and SNP is astonishing. Is it real, or is it keyboard warriors?
What's funny is that social media is full of little englanders & unionists agreeing with him and stoking even more pro indy sentiment
Just reading the comments on the bottom of the Torygraph story of Johnson’s comments and the vitriol is amazing. I know the English/Scottish relationship can get pretty salty at times, but the anger/hatred/resentment at the Scots and SNP is astonishing. Is it real, or is it keyboard warriors?
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Not just the English.
Go on any BBC news article that mentions the SNP and has comments enabled. The level of vitriol from a lot of Scots is far worse than anything from south of the border
I saw this reported this morning.
If you are pro-indy then Johnson is the gift that keeps on giving.
It's like he's pathologically incapable of seeing the issue from anything but his own perspective. His whole "uppity Scots" approach is doing more for the independence cause than anything else.
His whole “uppity Scots” approach is doing more for the independence cause than anything else.
Ace, isn't it? I REALLY hope he doesn't get ditched after January...Oh wait; Gove is next in line? Cancel that sentiment.
BoardinBob
Full MemberGo on any BBC news article that mentions the SNP and has comments enabled. The level of vitriol from a lot of Scots is far worse than anything from south of the border
Though, mostly because we're a nation of 5.5 million people and it only takes about 30 people to completely fill a BBC news article's comments with hatred and bodily fluids.
Ace, isn’t it? I REALLY hope he doesn’t get ditched after January…Oh wait; Gove is next in line? Cancel that sentiment.
Remind me, is Gove a Scot?
His whole “uppity Scots” approach
Is he one of the uppity ones?
The man is thicker than a whale omelette.
big_n_daft
Free MemberRemind me, is Gove a Scot?
No. 😆 You can keep him.
No
Civic nationalism for him then
big_n_daft
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NoCivic nationalism for him then
Nah, exile will do him fine.
big_n_daft
Free MemberRemind me, is Gove a Scot?
He's no true scotsman 😉
tbh whether or not he's a scot isn't really my objection. It's more his brexit stance. I'm more a european federalist than a scot nationalist. Gove's clearly against that, so he can do one and he can ram his blue passport. 😆
I’m not sure why the uproar. From Boris’s point of view, it probably is a disaster. I would have been surprised if he was a fan of devolution. Is this really so shocking?
Gove may be of scots descent but he is not one of "the people of scotland" ie those who make the country their home. So he can **** right homeward to think again
imnotverygood
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I’m not sure why the uproar. From Boris’s point of view, it probably is a disaster. I would have been surprised if he was a fan of devolution. Is this really so shocking?
I think it's more collective amusement that any kinda shock.
He’s no true scotsman
Even more civic!
big_n_daft
Even more civic!
Last time I looked Surrey wasn't in Scotland.
Gove may be of scots descent but he is not one of “the people of scotland” ie those who make the country their home. So he can **** right homeward to think again
Factually incorrect, Scots descent is mum, dad , grandparents. He was born and lived in Scotland at least to he graduated university. He is a Scot.
The rejection of him and the denial of his status by nationlists, is very "civic"
Last time I looked Surrey wasn’t in Scotland.
Surprisingly the English are very welcoming, it might be why he chose to stay here after 20+ years in Aberdeen. I imagine if he moved back his reception would be very "civic"
big_n_daft thinks he's got a catch here! 😆
I'm amused that TJ thinks he is more Scottish than Gove
Probably can add Blair into that as well
The rejection of him and the denial of his status by nationlists, is very “civic”
Does he live and pay taxes in scotland? If not he is not one of the "people of scotland"
I have no scots blood in me but as I live here and pay taxes I am one of the "people of scotland"
the key thing is "have you made scotland your home?" He has not
You seem to fail to understand the differnce between " the scots people" the ethnic group And " the people of scotland" those who have made the country their home. Major fail. Its not blood and soil" nationalism
I do not have have never claimed to be ethnically scots.
"Its not where i come from as a person - Its where we are going as a nation"
big_n_daft
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I’m amused that TJ thinks he is more Scottish than GoveProbably can add Blair into that as well
If blair or gove want their opinions to be taken seriously, they can move here and join in the discussion if they like.
Gordon broon, for example, lives here, so is entitled to his opinion, even if I disagree with that.
Mebbes aye, but Gove is still Scottish
nationalism can bolt anyhow, I'm european, and even pre brexit, I seen no need for holyrood>westminster>brussels.
holyrood>brussel in a federal europe will do nicely thank you very much.
Ye know there's that old british nationalist argument, I've more in common with working class people in edinburgh, liverpool, london, aye agree with that sentiment. I've equally as much in common with people in dublin, paris, lyon, dusseldorf, valencia, warsaw, athens.... Insularism is the british nationalists choice, not mine.
Tbf, I think Gove is one of the few members of government who even vaguely gives a shit about whether Scotland stays in the union
Even if his brexit has made it inevitable that Scotland will end up leaving
Mebbes aye, but Gove is still Scottish
ethnically yes but he has no right to a vote in scotland and his opinions matter to me not one jot as he is not one of the people of scotland - an ethnically diverse mix of the people who have made the country their home.
Where is his home? He is just of one of the scots diaspora
Gove will not get a vote in the next scottish referendum. My friend of danish birth who runs a business here and pays taxes here will. My friend who holds a US passport but lives here and pays their taxes will. My Polish colleague who lives here and pays her taxes here will. My ukranian colleague will etc etc
We are the people of Scotland. I say again. " it does not matter where I come from as a person - its where we are going as a nation"
its probably time for this
Hoots Mon!
the key thing is “have you made scotland your home?” He has not
So the 750000 diaspora can do one?
Why even offer citizenship to them post independence?
Where is his home? He is just of one of the scots diaspora
Wasnt gove proposing letting Scots in England get a vote in ref2 😂
Wasnt gove proposing letting Scots in England get a vote in ref2
It appears he was asked a question on the issue rather than proactively opining. All he said was it was "interesting"
big_n_daft
So the 750000 diaspora can do one?
in terms of determining the future of scotland, yes.
We are the people of Scotland. I say again. ” it does not matter where I come from as a person – its where we are going as a nation”
Must be great to know for the young people who were born raised and lived in Scotland that they'll get excommunicated from "the people of Scotland" the moment they move abroad, or one station down the Trainline
in terms of determining the future of scotland, yes.
Makes you wonder why do many nationalists live elsewhere....
This guy thinks he can be a MSP from Somerset
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18610823.wings-scotland-party-still-considered-ahead-election/
That guy's a dick and should F off. 😆
That guys a dick and should F off
Not one of "the people of Scotland" then?
But still a Scot? Like Gove.
