[Closed] Save the Vulcan!

Why?

Done. Be a shame to lose the last air worthy Vulcan. Beautifull plane.

They keep pumping money into this thing, but every plane has to be grounded eventually, regardless of how sentimental people get about it.

Seen the Vulcan fly several times...always enjoyable but personally I don't understand the sentimentality towards the Vulcan. I'd rather see the money spent on getting Concorde back in the air...I'd say that's far more 'the people's aircraft'.

argh I thought this was about the pub in Cardiff 😉

I will help the cause - but agree with spongebob though just stalling the inevitable and heaven forbid it crashed and was gone for ever!!??!!

Why?

My thoughts exactly. Far better/more worthy things to spend money on than some relic of the Cold War.

Just flog it to some Yank/Japanese/Arab billionaire, and use the money to help fund a centre for disabled kiddies or something.

not again 🙁

Seems they have to appeal to 'save the Vulcan' every 3-4 months. I know its in private hands and doesn't affect the tax-payer, but it seems its just a money-pit thats going to get more and more expensive to keep flying.

+1 for Why?

Pump money into saving something that was used to kill people?

Pump money into saving something that was used to kill people?

Didn't it, in its entire service career, only kill a few argies with conventional bombs? Ironically, it probably killed a lot less people in its entire career than that Air France Concorde did in one 'flight'.

Certainly a lot less than the Spitfire did, that's for sure...

Why not just preserve it as one of the last few triumphs of British engineering, and be grateful that it was never called upon to carry out its real purpose?

one of the last few triumphs of British engineering

wtf?

CaptJon - Member

one of the last few triumphs of British engineering

wtf?

Care to name something of note since the Vulcan that was solely-British designed and built?

Nah, thought not...

Problem is Zokes you can't compare the present to the past. No single nation* can now afford to develop something like this on their own. We couldn't even afford to do Concorde on our own in the 60's/70's.

Don't get me wrong it was a fantastic sight and I saw it many time as a kid in the 70's and 80's, but without government money or a very wealthy benefactor I struggle to see how they can keep it flying longterm.

*With the exception of Russia, China and the USA

Care to name something of note since the Vulcan that was solely-British designed and built?

Silly argument. The vulcan involved loads of ideas and technologies developed abroad. Much of the raw materials undoubtedly came from other countries.

And anyway, there have been plenty of great bits of engineering designed and built in Britain since the Vulcan; notably in the automotive industry.

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And check out the number of F1 cars designed and built in Britain. Granted, not always with 'British' engines, but Cosworth had a pretty good run in F1 and other forms of motorsport.

Then there's British architecture.

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Oh, and British architects are literally building bridges abroad!

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So don't be so silly!

>Why not just preserve it as one of the last few triumphs of British engineering<

In which case - shove it in a museum with all the other military junk we've developed over the years

I thought it was built to carry the A-bomb. In which case, glad it was never required. Mothball it. Cut it up, and make it into razor blades.

The Harrier, however, a travesty that we will no longer use it. A truly fantastic machine.

I've been over that bridge 😀

Endangered species?

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This sentimentality over a weapon of war is daft: It is old technology that is now obsolete. As others have said: Stick it in a museum and get over it. There a far more important things to do with the tax-payers money these days that preserving these dinosaurs.

There are to many pinko lefties on here it's an important piece of engineering worth keeping in the air the same as the battle of Britain flight

[i]Oh, and British architects are literally building bridges abroad[/i]

The Millau Viaduct was only designed by a Brit, the Frogs built it.

(i've been over it as well, 4 times)

Anyway, when was the last time you heard anyone say, 'lets go to the car show, the old Aston Martin will be there'

There a far more important things to do with the tax-payers money these days that preserving these dinosaurs

I think you've rather missed the point...

There are to many pinko lefties on here it's an important piece of engineering worth keeping in the air the same as the battle of Britain flight

Ha ha! Are you stuck in the 60s? What utter rot. The Vulcan is just a nice looking 'plane, that's all. Flog it and spend the money on something worthwhile, ffs.

There a far more important things to do with the tax-payers money these days that preserving these [b]dinosaurs[/b]

Is Edric64 being preserved using tax-payer's money?

The Millau Viaduct was only designed by a Brit, the Frogs built it.

Shh... 😉

Edric64 being preserved using tax-payer's money?

Only when I fall apart and need NHS treatment

I don't think it's an important piece of engineering or a national symbol or any of that crap, I just like the fact that it looks completely mad when it's flying and it makes a cool noise. Therefore I donated. It won't be in the air forever but I'd like to see it keep going for as long as it can.

Wonder why there's only one left? [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan#Accidents_and_incidents ]The rest all crashed[/url]. Praps best to be on the safe side, just bung it in a museum.

Alterntively, leave it in a public place, and let it become a piece of urban art:

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Elfinsafety - Member

"Wonder why there's only one left? The rest all crashed."

You probably do know that's total mince but just in case you don't- that's total mince.

Did you see my link? 14 crashes out of 136 aircraft built. That's a 10% failure rate. Not very impressive.

Ground this last one before it crashes on a school or something.

Elfin safety that's a nice picture of a scrapped Lightning!!

Very poor effort

Oh well there you go.

Daily Mail infiltrates STW Shock.....

again....

Elfinsafety - Member

Ground this last one before it crashes on a school or something.

It might even be a special school for disabled kiddies 🙁

Exactly. And as they'll have spent the money on the Vulcan, there'll be none to rebuild the school. 🙁

You probably do know that's total mince but just in case you don't- that's total mince.

I thought half of all planes ever made crashed, because until they do they keep patching them up and flying then ?

Taxpayer's money? Money that could go to fund kiddies playgrounds and cure cancer? Are you lot really that thick or just incredibly disingenuous?

The front page of the Vulcan to the sky website contains the words "not Government funded" rather prominently.

The only way you can argue that it's taxpayer's money is if you argue that the money was donated by people who pay tax. Which could be technically true but is a very long way from the common usage of the term "taxpayer's money".

Nor would I be so stupid to argue that the cash donated to fix up the Vulcan would go to some other "valid" cause if the project didn't exist. We simply don't know what the opportunity cost of the project is.

Personally, I wouldn't give them my cash, as the standing costs alone are huge and I'm unlikely to ever go to an airshow. Equally, I don't give enough of a toss about people funding old planes to produce reams of bilge on here.

Taxpayer's money? Money that could go to fund kiddies playgrounds and cure cancer? Are you lot really that thick or just incredibly disingenuous?

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Well I might not be the sharpest pencil in the box, but at least I can read :

[i]"Just flog it to some Yank/Japanese/Arab billionaire, and use the money to help fund a centre for disabled kiddies or something."[/i]

No mention of "taxpayer's money" anywhere.

Obviously you are a callous uncaring individual who doesn't give a toss about disabled kiddies or see any need to put a smile on their poor little faces 😐

zokes - Member

Care to name something of note since the Vulcan that was solely-British designed and built?

As elfin has stated that is a silly argument. If you understand anything about high end engineering you'd know that global collaboration is how it works (best). The UK is still home to some awesome engineering - BAE systems, Royals Royce, motorsport engineering, chemicals manufacture, offshore technologies, bio-science... etc etc etc etc

I've enjoyed watching it at airshows so I've donated some money. I hope that some Harriers are kept flying in the UK for the same reason.

Technically, tax income does get spent on it as they can claim back gift-aid on donations.

I've come back from my hols and find that the historic railway that runs past my garden has been running the Tornado all week.

[url= http://www.a1steam.com/ ]Tornado[/url]

It's irrelevant, a dinosaur, and one of the best things I've seen all year. The kids went bonkers everytime it went past.

So I'm all for a bit of nostalgia; and what's wrong with keeping old stuff alive for the young 'uns to goggle at?

Care to name something of note since the Vulcan that was solely-British designed and built?

AEC Routemaster Bus

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Probably has been more use than the Vulcan as well 😉

Obviously you are a callous uncaring individual who doesn't give a toss about disabled kiddies or see any need to put a smile on their poor little faces

Maybe the sight and sound of a Vulcan flying low overheard would put a smile on their faces. Donate now, save the Vulcan and make people smile. Win win situation!

😉

saw it taking off after the pedal for scotland this year (had been at an airshow the previous day) and it was a magnificient sight

AEC Routemaster Bus

Oh for shame that [i]I[/i] din't think of that! 😳 Nice one Rootes.

Far more iconic, too. The red Routemaster was indeed a symbol of [i]Britain[/i], not just London. The Vulcan will never be seen as much more than a symbol of the Cold War.

Maybe the sight and sound of a Vulcan flying low overheard would put a smile on their faces.

More likely to frighten them and damage their delicate hearing. 🙁

If I'm gonna cuck money at getting some old piece of junk moving, I'd consider it for this -

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"PeterPoddy - Member

If I'm gonna cuck money at getting some old piece of junk moving, I'd consider it for this"

Mallard was restored to operational at its last big refit, but it's being kept as a static exhibit just now for better preservation as there's other A4s still approved for mainline use. Apparently it could be out under it's own steam fairly easily as these things go but this way they can keep it in better shape for the future.

"The red Routemaster was indeed a symbol of Britain, not just London."

Typically closed minded southern viewpoint. That's like saying black pudding, or stottie cakes, or peas pudding are a symbol of Britain as a whole.

Oh, and where are the pictures of atomic bomb victims? 😉

Don't you start...

Typically closed minded southern viewpoint

How is it? The Routemaster is as much a worthy icon of Britain, as anything else. Scottish Tartan, the Welsh language, the Lake District, Blackpool Tower, red telephone boxes and post boxes, bulldogs, the Beatles, the Morris Mini, Policemen's helmets, Concorde, etc, etc. Things which may well have regional origins, yet still stand as icons of Britain.

[url= http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1071&bih=775&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=british+icons&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= ]In fact, Google image for 'British Icons' and see what you get....[/url]

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Hyak hyak hyak.....