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Not that any of that jacking and clear out shite is in them anyway!
That could be why nobody has a ****ing clue what's going on.
Interesting watching Bristol Gloucester. Almost like Bristol were allowing Gloucester to win a counter ruck. Which allowed them (Dan Thomas) to nip in behind and take the ball.
Remember in 16 or 17 when Italy outplayed us by not forming the ruck then coming round the side, and Haskell asked the ref for advice?
Loved when they did that. It shows good thinking, was countered by a rule change if I remember.
It's why sometimes rugby becomes turgid slogfests, standard method playing standard method. Scotland broke the norm last weekend. It's the ability to do that with skillful players that wins. England showed that when power was matched and front foot rugby challenged then plan B was lacking.
Well yeah same story, the plan has changed and the England players got lost. It is all so disappointing.
It was better in the old days.
They should go back to the old days with games to be preceded by a players lunch with a half gallon of bitter, heavy or stout per player minimum.
And fitness training to be regarded a illegal performance enhancement.
plan B was lacking
Has always been the case in the EJ era, not sure if the issue lies with him or Farrel or more likely a combo of both.
Has always been the case in the EJ era, not sure if the issue lies with him or Farrel or more likely a combo of both.
I seem to remember a lack of planB under lancaster too, I also remember everyone saying they were over coached.
Scotland broke the norm last weekend.
and lost, against a rag tag assortment of Welsh backs some of whom probably only met a few days before.
and lost, against a rag tag assortment of Welsh backs some of whom probably only met a few days before.
I wonder if this says anything about light touch coaching. Just get your moist skilled available players together, point them at some of the oppositions coached in tactics and let them explore their own skills and inter-relationships between each other to beat it.
Just navel gazing, but it seems to me that the lack of plan B is probably due to rigid coaching. Welsh invention was good on Sat...
Jones is a dictator as much as a coach, play my way or the highway. Players aren't coached to recognise situations and patterns, but taught plays to execute at certain times and positions, there is no plan B, never has been under Jones. Average coach of some very good players who are too scared to go against him.
He picks players that he knows can play the game the way he sees and are happy to do so rather than develop a style around the nucleus of the team and bring in players who complement that style.
Exeter are the best example of this in the premiership.
Sorry, I don't watch much club rugby, but I want to so will be interested to see - are you saying Exeter are like the former:
players that he knows can play the game the way he sees and are happy to do
Or the latter:
develop a style around the nucleus of the team and bring in players who complement that style.
Not good news - the French government were reluctant to let France compete in the 6N
good for Scotland if they are underprepared tho I guess
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Fagerson gets longer than POM, because his biscuits must have been shit.
I read the defence, "Mr Fagerson accepted he had committed an act of foul play but did not feel that it warranted a red card." That's why he got longer. Under those circumstances what is the point of a hearing?
Indeed, although from the other perspective its Henson level stupidity not to just doff your cap and say sorry. He obviously spent too much time talking to Hamish Watson
So it's just a show trial. Admit guilt give nice biscuits take a lower ban but it's a ban no matter.
France for the slam
Wales 2nd
England or Scotland 3rd
Rugby has always placed an undue amount of importance on making people say sorry and 'really meaning it'.
Just another hangover from the amateur era and another example of the game being a ****ing joke.
Rugby has always placed an undue amount of importance on making people say sorry and ‘really meaning it’.
Just another hangover from the amateur era and another example of the game being a **** joke.
I wholeheartedly dissagree.
Rugby is a full on contact sport, what do you compare it to, boxing?
Repeated head impacts etc. can have life changing consequences for the players.
I think the sport is going the correct way in terms of carding people for foul moves and dodgy tackles.
Rugby has always placed an undue amount of importance on making people say sorry and ‘really meaning it’.
Just another hangover from the amateur era and another example of the game being a **** joke.
Every rugby match or event I have ever been to has involved fans from both (or more than two sides) socialising drinking together and playing together, no fights, all good family fun.
I think the citing committee have to make people behave.
I wholeheartedly dissagree.
Rugby is a full on contact sport, what do you compare it to, boxing?
Repeated head impacts etc. can have life changing consequences for the players.
I think the sport is going the correct way in terms of carding people for foul moves and dodgy tackles.
I wasn't talking about head impacts, I was talking about how all you have to do is say this:
and your ban is magically reduced by half regardless of your previous. If you don't then you get the book thrown at you. The naughty players know what to say so it makes a mockery of the whole system.
But it goes back to this amateur era idea of 'character' being the most important thing. It's bollocks.
Rubbish, it takes character to apologise.
Otherwise we will have this bollocks https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55373546?
TBH Bruce if you think rugby is such a joke, then why are you here? Too me everyone is welcome on a forum unless the mods say otherwise, but if you just come here to tell everyone you hate rugby don't you think you should be considering your life choices?
Rubbish, it takes character to apologise.
It really doesn't.
I'm sorry.
See, I said I'm sorry and I didn't mean it.
TBH Bruce if you hate rugby, why are you here? Too me everyone is welcome on a forum unless the mods say otherwise, but if you just come here to tell everyone you hate rugby don’t you think you should be considering your life choices?
I like rugby. I don't like ****s who think it's a game of character, not like that wendyball rubbish.
I can't stand the exceptionalism #RugbyValues side of the game. It's an incredibly hypocritical game and yes, it is full to the rafters of total pricks. In that regard it's not unlike most sports but rugby has this class thing and it can't seem to accept the fact that it's no better than football, F1, or any other sport you care to mention.
If you want me to shut up and not talk about the elements or people in the game that piss me off then sorry (not sorry) but you can bugger off.
If you want me to shut up and not talk about the elements or people in the game that piss me off then sorry (not sorry) but you can bugger off.
Not at all mate, it's not my place to ask anyone to leave, I just wanted to understand what your interest was.
I am one of the ****s who think it is a game of character, not like that wendyball rubbish, so apologies if you don't like me. But my experience of the game is that it is very inclusive, at club level upwards.
Sport is all about fans, thats the point. Rugby fans are always very welcoming.
I am one of the **** who think it is a game of character, not like that wendyball rubbish, so apologies if you don’t like me.
Well, enjoy your feelings of exceptionalism.
Rugby fans are always very welcoming.
Except towards people who don't agree with rugby's exceptionalism?
Except towards people who don’t agree with rugby’s exceptionalism?
You are imagining things mate , I said:
it’s not my place to ask anyone to leave,
.
I'd welcome you and buy you pint.
Well, what you actually said was
Too me everyone is welcome on a forum unless the mods say otherwise, but...
You know how when people say, 'I'm not racist but...'
Fair enough, you think whatever you like, I did not mean to say you are not welcome. In fact I said, and I will say it again, its not my place to say you are not welcome. I would welcome you and buy you a pint.
One thing. I try to speak clearly and plainly, if it doesn't come out that way I apologise.
I apologise.
And now I know for an indisputable fact that you have character.
Consider your suspension halved.
Well lucky for us both Bruce you have the same power to suspend me as I have to tell you that you are not welcome.
Bloody hell don't dare disagree with Bruce, he gets very agitated quite quickly!!
Bloody hell don’t dare disagree with Bruce, he gets very agitated quite quickly!!
I can't tell if you're being serious or ironically self-deprecating.
Edit: I'm not in the mood to go 16 rounds with you right now, can we leave it for another night?
Bloody hell don’t dare disagree with Bruce, he gets very agitated quite quickly!!
Pot kettle black!
A concern of mine would be in denying that it was a red card offence he fails to acknowledge the severity of his actions and the risk to others. Which also might suggest he’d do the same again. It also suggests he thinks he knows better than the RFU.
I’m not in the mood to go 16 rounds with you right now, can we leave it for another night?
Same here, off to bed soon, got a head ache!!
Edit
It also suggests he thinks he knows better than the RFU.
Jeez don't start him off again, I need my rest post covid!!
Pot kettle black!
You keep quiet TJ or I'll go looking for that comment of yours about Van Der Whatsit and Darcy being the top try scorers in the six nation, or was it the autumn and six nations I forget.
Fagersons red was a bit marginal so he has the right to argue its harsh and to make his punishment worse seems perverse to me
Which also might suggest he’d do the same again.
Yeah, but when presented with a player who has done it again they give him a shorter ban which makes me think deterrent is not their main motivation.
It also suggests he thinks he knows better than the RFU.
I think this is it. Can't have players getting above their station.
Ironically enough, I think having so many people publicly saying it wasn't a red (unlike in O'Mahoney's case) just made them look for excuses to throw the book at Fagerson.
If you look at the contact Farrell and others have made in the past with no sanction whatsoever is it really so unreasonable for a player to ask if his offense actually warranted a red (especially when the TMO seemed to be pushing for a yellow)?
And just for asking he got a longer ban than someone who has already been red carded for his ruck clearouts?
I think the message it sends is that doffing your cap to authority is more important than actual player safety.
If contesting the fact it was a red is going to result in a longer ban, why are we even bothering with hearings? All you are doing is having a ceremony where the guilty party comes before the tribunal to admit his guilt and beg for the mercy of the court.
Like I said, it's ridiculous bollocks dressed up as some sort of show of 'character' and #RugbyValues.
He admits it was foul play but disagrees with the level of sanction.
If Jones hadn't started to move/be moved would the contract been foul play. When fagerson was inbound but before he moved his head was head contact inevitable. Carl Dickson TMO certainly seemed unsure about red.
Then look at other parts of matches where blatent cheating/foul play occurs yet nothing. At least one outflung foot comparable to Russell's yellow, several upright tackles that were a baw hair off the LI red card.
If Jones hadn’t started to move/be moved would the contract been foul play.
You have to expect people to move when playing rugby.
Looking at how the Six Nations is being reffed I think Wales got lucky having Liam banned before it started for the same as the 2red cards, highlighted the problem to our squad in advance.
I re watched the Scotland Wales game yesterday, a few things struck me, Scotland have folded from 17:3 to 17:15 and didn't look likely winners before the red card. Secondly Zander Fagerson is a niggly wanna be enforcer, every time anything happened he was straight in with niggle. Now bad thing in a prop tbf, and Wales haven't a player like that at the moment (Moriarty does it), but if you play like that you need to stay on the right side of the law. The current Wales 8 is very passive in that regards.
The other Fagerson looks a good prospect too, maybe a bit light weight for 8. If the Lions goes ahead Price maybe best of a bad bunch at 9, Davies passing was woeful. Halaholo was good but did tire very badly which is no surprise given his lack of match fitness.
Vanderwahatsit really, really hits well below his weight in defence, good ball in hand though.
Hogg is awesome, Russell continues not to convince.
13 is a major issue for Wales, Watkins lacks the pace, works hards but just lacks gas, good at 12. J Davies might never get back to what he was and North may never learn what he needs to, after that the cupboard is bare.
Liam Williams is a **** but he's our ****.
Scotland have folded from 17:3 to 17:15 and didn’t look likely winners before the red card
I said exactly this and your boyfriend duckman got very upset. It was obvs to a neutral that the Wales comeback was on. Its very irritating skill you have.
A cheifs fan mate reckons that Hogg is nailed on Lions, apparently everyone in Exeter knows it.