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I was referring to AWJ he caught Darcy Graham with a swinging arm to the head. Mitigation? He was probably a bit woozy from an earlier contact.
Gareth just said something interesting about Dupont which reminded me of something that England needs. I'm sure you might identify this in your own national side too, but I watch my team most critically.
"The ability not to be selfish"
i.e passing when you should instead of going into impossible odds in the hope you'll break the tackle.
Most noticeably Ford, Slade, and May held the ball yesterday when there were men outside, sometimes with good numbers, it is not something you see from the AB's, and it seems like such a basic, it annoys me when players hog the ball. Farell love him or hate him is normally good at drawing the man and passing.
It was less obvious yesterday with Wales or Scotland, or maybe I didn't notice.
I like Luke Pearce.
Very French from France so far!!
V good ref compared to the England game yesterday.
Ireland looked good for a bit, when the card came I expected them to dominate. Losing 7 points whilst a man up is not a good sign.
There a few backs with sticky hands. Devoto (so?) his passes are collectors items.
Ouch!
Not much in it now. The way this 6 nations is going we could end up with every team except Italy on 3 wins.
This is a great game.
It’s not clear how Ireland are going to score again.
This is a great game.
Yes, enjoyed that. Ireland played really well I thought, but never looked particularly threatening. I can only remember Ringrose looking a threat at times.
France are a real force now they've got the defence and mentality sorted. Whatever they are paying Shaun Edwards it isn't enough
Whatever they are paying Shaun Edwards it isn’t enough
Market forces; more than the country of his birth were willing to.😃
Ireland played really well I thought, but never looked particularly threatening
Yeah they were contained, French didn't panic under the pressure, I mean there was 15+ phases there and Ire didn't really get a foothold. I thought the forwards were quite well matched, just Ireland needed their backs need to go to the dupont/thomas/jalibert school. All 5 nations will get schooled here.
From here it looks like rd3:
Ireland need a win so will stomp Italy.
Wales will dig deep and find a way to make the RFU wonder what all the training has been about.
If England do lose to wales then they will somehow beat France in rd4. If England do beat Wales by a probably disputed point or more then all the UK press will talk about an insane England resurgence worthy of NZ/OZ/SA combined, when anyone watching will know damn well it was a lucky bounce or blind ref.
France will demolish a heroically dying Scotland.
On the back of the Willis injury (hope he returns fully fit). Is the real issue how the "ruck" is reffed. Back in the day it was a cuddle then a hoofing on the floor, obviously not in the modern game. There seems to be a lot of bridging and sealing the ball off. Does it need a tweak and refereeing to make sure both defending and attacking players support their weight.
I think the jackle needs removing, drive over and hands only used to take ball out the back. If a player has driven over then no one can come round the back of him as happens now
Had a look at the stats for the Scotland game - such a one sided set of stats we should never have lost the game. But we did. There is going to need to be some hard analysis of that but 500m made compared to 150!
There is going to need to be some hard analysis of that but 500m made compared to 150!
Not really, if your back 3 players take the ball from Wales usual long infield kicks they can run 15-20m unchallenged.
Also the rest of the stats, tackles made / missed, clean breaks etc.
What about red cards issued and points scored?
The only things you were ahead on
Scotland have been beaten before while ahead on the stats ( and i am sure other teams were) but given the nature of the stats we really should have been out of sight. Why we were not is where the analysis is needed.
It’s going to feel like a long wait till the next games. It seems futile pondering on who will play for Wales against England, when the players get broken so quickly.
However, I am concerned for when we do move on from both Halfpenny and Biggar we will lack a World class penalty kicker. For as long as I can remember Wales have been able to stay within sight by taking penalty kicks from anywhere in the opponent’s half. I fear that without that weapon in their armoury they will not be able to win in the way we have become accustomed to seeing. (It could be that Scotland would have won at the weekend if they had kicked their penalties).
Stats can be misleading depending on the type of game you and your opponents play. You can make loads of metres, breaks etc but the only have value in certain areas of the pitch.
As we saw yesterday, Ireland spent a lot of time in France's half.
However, I am concerned for when we do move on from both Halfpenny and Biggar we will lack a World class penalty kicker
Bigger will likely start next game, but Sheedy has good kicking stats for Bristol
Tackles made just means you were defending like, if wales have all the possession, they won't make many tackles...
anagallis - can you explain in more detail what you mean about getting rid of the jackel? reading this :
I think the jackle needs removing, drive over and hands only used to take ball out the back. If a player has driven over then no one can come round the back of him as happens now
You are proposing that you can drive over, use feet to push the ball back, then use hands to pick up ball if it becomes available under you. It used to be like this when I played (80's). You kind of made an ad hoc scrum over the tackled player and ball, so you could drive the opposition off and take the ball.
What I don't understand is this (assuming I understood the first bit):
no one can come round the back of him as happens now
Jackler is the first person to arrive after the tackle, they try a get the ball, head down arse up, weight on elbows and then some massive unit comes in and smacks the in the back of the head, or neck. If they drive over like the good old days an opposition player just watches them go past and then moves round to get the ball.
Yeah OK, so you might need a rule that you cannot pick up the ball until you have driven over, so its like making an offside line?
EG after you have driven over the opposition cannot come around back as that would be offside until the ball is "out" like a scrum?
Tackles made just means you were defending like, if wales have all the possession, they won’t make many tackles…
True but you have to look beyond that, Ireland for example play a very safe keep ball game with one out runners, kick to compete a lot and it means teams often defend a lot against them but often that defence can routine. For example Francis made a huge number of tackles for Wales v ireland but for Wales if Francis is tackling lots of forwards in tight spaces the system is relatively unstressed
Jackler is the first person to arrive after the tackle
I thought there was a rule about who could jackal , the tackler can Jackal, can anyone else?
I thought there was a rule about who could jackal , the tackler can Jackal, can anyone else?
The tackler can only jacket if he regains his feet and shows clear release of the tackled player, in which case he/she is effectively the first player to arrive at the tackle.
So if tackler goes down they roll away and the next person arriving can jackal? Does this carry on, can anyone jackal?
So if tackler goes down they roll away and the next person arriving can jackal? Does this carry on, can anyone jackal?
Yep, but only first defender can jackle. You see a lot of teams pinged recently due to a fair jackle but the tackler not realeasing or rolling away to disrupt the clear out.
True but you have to look beyond that, Ireland for example play a very safe keep ball game with one out runners, kick to compete a lot and it means teams often defend a lot against them but often that defence can routine. For example Francis made a huge number of tackles for Wales v ireland but for Wales if Francis is tackling lots of forwards in tight spaces the system is relatively unstressed
Yeah I think I also should have said this, ie the tackle count meaning changes depending on if you won or not...
EG:
lots of tackles - but still won - you contained the attack, or attack ineffective
lots of tackles - but lost - you didn't get much ball...
The point (as made by you and Bear) being that the raw stats don't necc mean much witho0ut the context.
Actually that's not strictly true, anyone can jackle until an attacking team player arrives and engages them, then it's a ruck and hands notvallowed
Yep, but only first defender can jackle. You see a lot of teams pinged recently due to a fair jackle but the tackler not realeasing or rolling away to disrupt the clear out.
Ok thats what I thought, so either tackler can jackal or next man if tackler has gone down/rolled away.
edit, crossed psots
Actually that’s not strictly true, anyone can jackle until an attacking team player arrives and engages them, then it’s a ruck and hands notvallowed
Ok I have realised my confusion - there are threee types of breakdown, tackle, ruck, maul.
I always assumed tackle automatically became a ruck if they go down, but its not a ruck until the attackers engage, so jackaling can only happen until attackers engage then its a ruck?
but its not a ruck until the attackers engage, so jackaling can only happen until attackers engage then its a ruck?
Yep, pretty sure that's correct.
Surely somebody with such strident views would understand the rules of the game a bit better? Not speaking to AA here...
Ok, thanks. Years of dumbness erased in 5 mins. I might understand reffing at the breakdown a little clearer now.
Surely somebody with such strident views would understand the rules of the game a bit better? Not speaking to AA here…
Laws, not rules 😜
Not that any of that jacking and clear out shite is in them anyway!
Laws, not rules 😜
Changed to laws when everything came under the world rugby umbrella. Do try to keep up!
Interesting watching Bristol Gloucester. Almost like Bristol were allowing Gloucester to win a counter ruck. Which allowed them (Dan Thomas) to nip in behind and take the ball.