Have we done the latest Honest Government Ad?
Seriously NSFW
Brilliant. Can we have that on prime time BBC as an information broadcast, please?
It can be quite dangerous to overestimate your own intelligence. And really not a wise move to make such proclamations on the internet.
Dangerous sounds a bit dramatic, interested to know what you think is going to happen to me as an anonymous person on the internet claiming to be more intelligent than the majority of people. My intelligent assessment of it is nothing will happen...
You don’t have to be an economist to know the economy is ****ed.
Its been a mess since Liz Truss took a sledgehammer to it and Rishi has just made things worse
Lizz Truss was not the catalyst for the economy being screwed. At all.
Where are you getting that from?
Interest rate decisions were being made to target inflation long before that. And growth was on a downward trend ages ago. Flat Line just pre-pandemic 2019/20 for instance.
Of course you don't need to be an economist but you have to check out the data and look around a bit more than just the Truss situation.
Everything that Truss was responsible for mostly rectified itself pretty quickly. The BoE did its job. In fact we should be bothered that markets can dictate policy whether you like them or not. The real issue here was pension markets showing how wobbly they are when working with leverage. Maybe private pensions subject to leveraged trading environment shouldn't be grounds for your retirement pot?
What you should also be concerned about with the Truss situation is using the GBP/USD as metric for a ruined economy. It's not - it's a floating currency that is designed to go up and down and make a few people rich. Again recovered quickly.
The bigger picture is the transfer of interest income to the few currently and lack of motivation for investing in public services - neither of which have anything to do with Truss, and are still entirely doable.
The economy doesn't need to be screwed - it just needs the correct party to start fixing all the damn societal infrastructure issues and target all the areas of inadequate funding - find the resources and labour, crack on.
That then generates growth in the economy, money swills through from the public sector - then to us.
Front door state financing instead of back door syphoning public money to private friends.
It's a choice for it to be in a mess.
I know it's meant to be satire but that Honest Government Ad is just telling the truth. I very much doubt any satirist could come up with anything more deranged than what the Govt are doing on an almost daily basis.
has bridgen accidently let slip that an election will be in May ?
(tbf he IS nuttier than a squirrels turd so he may well be talking bobbins)
has bridgen accidently let slip that an election will be in May ?
I would be extremely surprised if Rishi Sunak has already decided the date of the next general election. I am not sure why so many people believe that he has.
It would no sense at all if he has, beyond deciding that it will be some time next year, as it will surely be dependent on the state of the economy, something which is notoriously hard to accurately predict and is often affected by events beyond his control.
Four days ago the prediction for next year was 0.5% growth
https://kpmg.com/uk/en/home/insights/2018/09/uk-economic-outlook.html
This morning it was claimed that the UK was at risk of recession
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67799713
Add to that the unpredictability of the consequences to the global economy of Israel's wanton destruction of Palestine
Although that would be something out of Rishi Sunak's direct control it would surely poetic justice following his unwavering support for the Israeli terrorist state as it continues to kill 300 civilians every day.
as it will surely be dependent on the state of the economy, something which is notoriously hard to accurately predict and is often affected by events beyond his control.
Are people around the PM really telling him that it's possible that the economy will be in a better place at some point in 2024?
The revised GDP figures probably offer a more positive slant on the economy when compared with what voters are actually feeling. And they have another winter with even worse energy prices (no government support) to get through.
His failure to read the economic and political runes and call it a day last autumn means that the public will associate any coming recession primarily with Conservative rule, rather than Labour getting in and running out of its post-electoral 'grace period' squarely in the middle of it.
I would be extremely surprised if Rishi Sunak has already decided the date of the next general election
Well he's already decided that 2024 is going to be an election year So I'd be very surprised that he's (along with the party advisors who're paid to think about this stuff) not got a date in mind already. They'll need to get the election strategy planned and ready for roll out to the associations around the country and all the printing done and so on and on; and all that will need careful timing. The Tories are probably resigned to the fact that there's not going to be much that'll move the polling so its either going to be a Thursday in spring (May) or autumn (September) and that's a grand total of 9 days...Pick one Rishi...
Yeah, there's no deciding about it.
Well he’s already decided that 2024 is going to be an election year
Well he really hasn't got much choice, and there was never any realistic possibility that he would hang on until Jan 2025. He has simply ruled out what everyone already knew.
You must have more confidence than me that Rishi Sunak has a plan and is more or less in control of the situation, if you think that he has already decided when in the next 12 months the general election will be.
IMO he is no doubt playing it by ear and constantly responding to changing situations. If he's not then he is even more inept than I imagined.
IMO he is no doubt playing it by ear and constantly responding to changing situations. If he’s not then he is even more inept than I imagined.
I reckon it'll be the spring for no other reason than him and the rest of them will want to put their feet up over the summer once they've lost their jobs.
Economy contracting again.
What a bloody suprise! No change until £££ spent into the economy.
Numbskulls.
Strap in - they're only just getting started with the economy.
Wait until inflation* pops up again too.
*Speculation.
I reckon it’ll be the spring for no other reason than him and the rest of them will want to put their feet up over the summer once they’ve lost their jobs.
My thoughts exactly. He'll be in California by June
Surely by now the real brains behind the tories will have realised that it's probably best to write of the next GE, and concentrate instead on causing as much irreparable damage as possible, which will prove impossible for Labour to fix. Thus ensuring an easy slide back into power at the following GE, as they can then rewrite the narrative that Labour have 'failed' the nation.
Well, we have that already with the abandoned rail plans... plenty of scorched earth policy taking place there.
It isn't in the "backers" interest to destroy the economy, they want to make as much money out of it as possible. A labour party that continues neoliberalism and throws a few more crumbs from the table to the peasants to give the impression that the system works is what they want.
You must have more confidence than me that Rishi Sunak has a plan
I think they've probably just read the room, and realised that's the gig's up and they're out. Once you've made that decision it just down to the either one of the tradition dates, as there's no real reason to look at something else. I reckon it'll be the earlier date just to do the decent thing and put them all out of their misery, it's pretty clear the parliamentary Tory party have all but given up already. After all; no-one wants to be job hunting in the run up to Xmas do they?
Surely by now the real brains behind the tories
I see the massive flaw in the plan there...
It isn’t in the “backers” interest to destroy the economy
Plenty of people still grow their wealth in a down turn (whether self inflicted or not)... just not the vast majority of us. Stability might be good for me, you, and the UK as a whole... but there's money to be made by some from the mess we're going through this decade, just like in the last one. Sunak being a great example of how it's done.
Some people can benefit from crashes, but even most of the wealthy political funders do best in a "functioning" economy, just one that is skewed massively to their advantage.
For what it's worth, I heard from someone who spoke to Call me Dave that when he contacted them to confirm he had to drop out of something he was working on with them, he said he'd be available again in October.
I see the massive flaw in the plan there…
I don’t. The tories have been in power for more time than Labour, during my lifetime. Someone with some intelligence is behind that. Underestimating the intelligence of those who actually wield the power to control governments, and influence how people vote, is very foolish.
Found one Rishi positive - a family member is currently on the train with him, both heading to Yorkshire for Christmas. Does mean the train is most definitely running on time 😉
I assume it’s too windy for helicopters, or no way would Rishi Sunak be on a train
he said he’d be available again in October
Makes sense. That still allows for either Spring or Autumn election.
Tax announcements suggest they're looking at a May election, but they can still kick the can down the road to after the summer break (think of it as gardening leave) if they fancy it.
Wait until inflation* pops up again too.
*Speculation.
Seeing as the current drop is pretty much all down to the drop in fuel prices and that it will go up again the inflation is pretty much guaranteed. If you take fuel out of the equation everything else is rising fast.
If you take fuel out of the equation everything else is rising fast.
Wasn't hugely rising fuel costs the primary cause of across the board inflation in the first place? Reduced manufacturing, distribution, retail, etc, costs, should have a positive effect on the CPI longer term, I would have thought.
The unknown is the effect of the continued Israeli-Palestinian "war", for want of a better word, on the UK economy. The Houthis attacks have the potential to cause huge global economic issues.
Well you can blame Gordon Brown for that:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/10/budget2004.budget3
The biggest difference between the two is that HICP does not take into account mortgage interest costs. As a result, inflation is now well below the target, instead of just above.
Ironically:
For homeowners, the switch should be good news, because the Bank can run interest rates slightly lower than it otherwise would have done in order to meet the new target.
Oil is likely moving upwards soon.
Crypto/stocks in the USA have been booming - all that extra interest income filtering into assets.
Dollar weaker as money moves out into more risky assets.
That's what interest rates has done in the USA Exact opposite of predicted.
He’s all heart.
Stuck on some godawful railway station because the bloody wind means I can’t do my usual helicopter trip, I suppose I may as well spend a few quid (claimed back on expenses, obvs) to feed chocolate to some plebs
I’ve heard that they like that kind of thing
I like how there is someone with serious camera gear partially in view.
Ruins the "spontaneous" kindly gesture somewhat.
On the plus side they have learnt and skipped from him picking them up to walking away purposefully to avoid the embarrassing moment when he looks at the self service tills pitifully and begs for help.
Should have gone to the proper M&S next door which would have had let him buy a far better range of stuff.
Whoever is running PR over at CCHQ needs to be given a raise, and definitely kept in place until the election.
What I want to know is which of the millions of 'key workers' got a piece of the pie, or do they all get sent .000005% of a pie with a side-order of clapping? Obviously all the ones still on strike get nowt.
Has he sacked Cleverly yet?
I guess he's sleeping on the couch and ringing round for a good divorce lawyer.
Apparently someone has updated Jimmy's Wiki page (link as it has some language).
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Just a bit of banter innit. And they that say comedy is all down to 'timing', so top marks there.
In the unlikely event that his political career nosedives he might find the culture in the Met Police more to his liking.
Met officers joked about raping women, police watchdog reveals
Although as long as he remains a Cabinet Minister with some responsibility for the Met I am sure that his humour will be appreciated by some worried officers.
Rishi is set to try and sneak Liz Truss’s honours list out with the New Years honours list and hope nobody notices
She’s awarded peerages for Tufton Street lot who’s economic policies worked so well for everyone
I suppose it’s progress on appointing your illegitimate offspring to the lords?
Beautiful use of foul language.
(Dunno if this has been posted. But I like these Aussies. They know the UK better than many in the UK.)
Dunno if this has been posted.
Previous page.
On the little fella's recent train journey from London to his 'home' in Richmond (North Yorkshire, not London) for Christmas he stopped off in Peterborough - f knows why, there's nothing there - and Lincoln where he went to the Morning Star pub.
Somewhat ironical choice of venue - if only for the name and range of refreshments available; alcohol or alcohol and dining options limited to crisps and/or nuts.
If only I'd known he was going to be there, I would have driven 20 miles there just to heckle.
No doubt the local mp - karl mccartney - had lobbied for this as he's likely to lose to Charlie Faulkner's son who is the labour candidate.
I won't be re-visiting the Morning Star until it's been thoroughly disinfected.
So a March budget tax giveaway would suggest a May election. Only 5 months to go 😅
So a March budget tax giveaway would suggest a May election. Only 5 months to go 😅
Expect a quick uptick on corruption, a few last minute deals to nick the last of the silverware, appoint a few cronies to high places...
Also this is mildly amusing:
I'm assuming they drank it all during the many not-parties that they didn't have and knew nothing about during Covid but haven't yet been nobbled for it so they're just bluffing it out.
Johnny Mercer mega flounce been done? Also the New Conservative outing himself as a bit of a shit?
Not sure he merits his own thread.
Mercer continuing his little war with Carol Vorderman and rather inconveniently for him, keeps getting his own past promises and comments used against him. Oh dear. He's "taking a break" from X now apparently, aka a flounce...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67842826
Now we have Bury North MP James Daly doing his level best to show the new conservatives are no different from the old ones and need to be history asap.
A Conservative MP has defended his comments where he said most children who struggle in his constituency were "the products of crap parents".
Perhaps Cleverly should just point out he is a "shit MP"?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67842890
So a March budget tax giveaway would suggest a May election. Only 5 months to go
i honestly can't see it with polls this far back for the Tories, unless there's a real upswing in the economy shortly
that said merecer, & big forehead Daly's nonsense has an rnd of days feel.... but then it's been like that since Johnson!
James Daly - who I have the misfortune to have as my MP - shouldn’t need reminding that as the MP with the smallest majority in the country, it only takes 50 parents, crap or otherwise, to change their vote from the last election and he’s unemployed.
It can’t come soon enough. He’s an utter ****!
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James Daly – who I have the misfortune to have as my MP – shouldn’t need reminding that as the MP with the smallest majority in the country, it only takes 50 parents, crap or otherwise, to change their vote from the last election and he’s unemployed.
With the likes of this guy and many other Tories I don't know if it's total political incompetence or they have just given up?
I see Rishi, spineless as ever, has rubber stamped Liz Truss’s honours list and tried to sneak it out with the New Years honours list
It’s, as predicted, the Tufton Street loons and various donors to her leadership campaign
You’d think anyone with a shred of dignity or self-awareness would be too embarrassed to accept a gong on Mad Lizzies honours list, but that’s not something this lot are overly troubled with
binners - has james daly emerged from his bunker to comment or is he still hiding in rishi's u-bend savouring all the ordure?
has james daly emerged from his bunker
If you turn James Daly's head upside down you get a young Micheal Eavis
No emergence from James Daly as yet. Maybe he’s seen the latest polling in ‘his’ constituency?
Guess what. Lil' Rishi has only gone and cleared the asylum backlog! Huzzah!
I'll post the link but I'm reality no need to check as it's totally true and totally amazeballs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67860254
I await his next announcement of him having stopped it raining at weekends
He’ll claim to be making Britain 40% more productive overnight.
Our glorious leader is getting community noted on pretty much any proclamation he makes, which somewhat undermines his bullshit messaging at least on Twitter.
The Beeb has fact checked the claim, he's telling porkies. Worse, the "flow backlog" has actually gone up since he became PM.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67863380
Little Rish's suggestion that turning a 97,000 backlog into a 99,000 backlog in just one year can be described as 'clearing the backlog' is now going to get the once over from the official stats watchdog. Shouldn't take long to work that one out, really.
They should start fact-checking him in real time.
Can't fact check this one away though
I must say I laughed at Starmer and Davey referring to Sunak as a "squatter in number 10"
He's the sort that would be really p*ssed at hearing that description I suspect. Lol
Meanwhile Farage is being such a tease with Tice of Reform UK, will he, wont he? 😆
So… 2024 is going to be boring and frustrating in equal measures, isn’t it. 9 months of shouting at the TV/radio as Sunak attempts to gaslight us. I have a feeling few voters are going to thank him for a campaign running through the summer, when it could have been done and dusted in May.
^^ I agree, I also suspect it's going to be a really nasty/ dirty election with the Tories and their press throwing everything they can at Starmer in a last ditch attempt to stay in power at any cost.
I hate to say it but I can see violence on the horizon too with MP's potentially being targeted by far right nutters goaded into action by the Tories/Reform UK.
#SexistShaun is trending, all lil' rishi needs is another of the lockdown party ****s sticking his foot in it and reminding everyone about partygate. Nice to know that if you have boobs and a bum you are no longer allowed to have a political opionion.
Sunak was always going to wait for the last possible moment (thats not actually in the middle of winter) a massive flip in yhe polls for whatever reason and he might call a snap election, but tight now his plan is just to sit & wait & hope for a gradual tightening of the polls or a miracle
Isn't there a US election in the autumn as well?
I wonder if that has any bearing.
It's a little thankyou to the losing team, screw out of the system as much as you can and increase the redundancy payments.
Sunak will play on April Tax cuts afforded by better than expected inflation & interest rate cuts and claim that as his work, and also possibly offer to cut taxes in April 2025 during the Autumn statement thinking its an issue Labour couldn't afford to fulfil when they win the election, not worried about a shameless U Turn if somehow the Tories scrape through.
One of many ways to sabotage Labour on the way out.
Another example of the little fella's lack of political nous...he was in Nottinghamshire - Mansfield, specifically - yesterday (Thursday) and could have visited some of the areas badly affected by flooding.
Surprise, surprise - he didn't; wasted photo op there rish!
No concerned face, no words of support.
More interested in supporting ben bradley - his polyp - and criticising Nottingham City Council which just happens to be Labour controlled.
He really is pathetic - and pointless.