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Currency denomination does not determine economic theory.
Evry fule no dat.
The G7, because of their alignment, all follow very similar economic policies.
Edit; this post was in response to ernie who has now deleted his post. He could, of course, re-post...
Edit; this post was in response to ernie who has now deleted his post. He could, of course, re-post…
Sorry Frank I deleted it because something weird happened - I must have accidentally clicked on something which I wrote this morning. So I deleted at it was no longer appropriate and the conversation had moved on. TBH I can't even remember precisely what it said so I can't repost it - something about the US and the UK fundamentally operating the same economic model.
Edit: Actually I think I posted that comment this morning on the previous page to this one. I think I was having trouble posting this morning and a duplicate post was left which I accidentally posted just now.
Right, so to save any further confusion it's (probably) best everyone goes to their respective beds and start again in the morning or, preferably, not start again!
So, the Press going big this morning on plans to stop peaceful protest, I'm sorry, end "mob rule".
How long till they try and end that pesky democracy/voting thing?
Mob rule intimidating elected officials according to the radio this morning.
Wasn't sure if that's the protest marches or the braying back benches in parliament.
My understanding is the issue is threats and online abuse - which I think are already covered by criminal offences.
I'm not aware of any issues with protest marches that other governments haven't managed to cope with for 50 odd years.
Presumably soldiers on horseback are the solution like they were when Britain was "great".
"We all hated George Osborne’s position right – widely proved to be a disaster so why can’t you begin to agree that Reeves and Starmer taking his position must also not be a good idea?"
I don't believe Starmer/Reeves are taking his position for any other reason than to take a different one means they'll have the entire right-wing 'establishment' on their backs (and the associtaed gullible/selfish/frightened voters) and reduce their chance of becoming the next Govt. It's the same tact that Blair & Brown took in the mid-late 90's.
And Blair/Brown made a difference to ordinary folk once they were in power, took the best part of an administration and we had many good years of improving public services, until the (above) right wing establishment had something to beat them with (Global Financial Crisis). We went back around the circle but this time it'll take more than one administration to even just repair the damage, never mind start to get back to where we were.
It would appear that in a rare fit of cognitive clarity someone has twigged that they've let the genie out of the bottle.
Good luck putting it back in.
Sorry Frank I deleted it because something weird happened – I must have accidentally clicked on something which I wrote this morning.
Poor bloke has multiple tabs of STW open with half-written comments in them. It's a full time job keeping us supplied with educated political discourse.
"In the locals, I’ll blindly hold my nose and vote labour in May. My minds pretty much made up."
Why is it "hold my nose"?
Do you still believe that Tory Policies are correct, just don't like the current Govt - or something else?
It is quite odd that not being happy about the current state of labour is trying to be twisted to support for the Tories, it is logical gymnastics to try and present it that way.
I’m not aware of any issues with protest marches that other governments haven’t managed to cope with for 50 odd years.
Presumably soldiers on horseback are the solution like they were when Britain was “great”
It’s timely that the excellent miners strike documentaries have just been on BBC and Channel 4. They remind us what a Tory government and a militarised police force did the last time they started banging on about ‘Mob Rule’. Baton charges and mounted police cracking skulls, followed by industrial scale fabrication of evidence and malicious prosecutions.
I can’t see them being able to repeat that, no matter how much they’d like to, but I fear that we’re about to see a massive crackdown on the right to protest
It is quite odd that not being happy about the current state of labour is trying to be twisted to support for the Tories, it is logical gymnastics to try and present it that way.
Which is why no one has said that, as far as I can tell.
If all the disappointed Labour supporters (and I'm one of them) decide to vote for another party or not vote at all, thete is a risk that the shy Tories and gullible voters will crawl out the woodwork and the bastard Tories will sneak back in.
Why is it “hold my nose”?
In my case its the anti democratic nature of Labours actions towards Scotland, the refusal to do constitutional reform that IMO is essential for the UK to prosper, the continuance of Tory austerity.
Labour or tory in power at Westminster will make very little difference to Scotland
Last westminster election the labour candidate in my constituency was up to his neck in the coverup of the Statutory notice scandal that had the potential to cost me my house and my retirement.
also here there will never be a tory MP from my constituency so it really does not matter who I vote for as it will be either labour or SNP
really does not matter who I vote for as it will be either labour or SNP
If, hypothetically, Labour were to fail to achieve a majority by 1 seat and your constituency returned an SNP member instead, then that could lead to a Tory coalition. Pretty slim chance though I admit, since who tf would form a coalition with Tories now?
A link (via Twitter) to a FT article about access to politicians, specifically when the owner of a loss-making start up company who is now embroiled in a fraud case lends you his private jet.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1763101874939371581?t=ZwnjRN_L_rbIH2f1U3oFaA&s=19
They do like their air travel don't they! Shapps article yesterday about him treating RAF helicopters as his own private Uber, Liz Truss racked up hundreds of hours on board a Voyager...
Nothing shouts "man of the people" quite like having a couple of private jets on call.
Oh and from last week where Sunak enabled the hatshit mental "farmers" to be slightly more batshit and mental at the expense of actual farmers...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/28/wales-farming-environment-sunak-protest
Sunak is very punchable, isn't he.....
Smary prick.
Listening to him on PMQs makes me angry. Vapid ****.
The type of person who coveted this kinda crap.....
who tf would form a coalition with Tories now?
Presumably Reform...
The type of person who coveted this kinda crap…..
He was 'Head Boy' at Winchester wasn't he? Of course he was.
He's a horrible, nasty, petty little dweeb and a very dangerous one. This whole 'Mob Rule' nonsense looks very much like 'rolling the pitch' (to use a Boris Johnsonism) for a draconian crackdown on civil liberties, which we know they've been gunning for for a long time.
Would you bet against him now advocating pulling out of the ECHR in order to 'restore law'n'order'?
It also has some pretty unpleasent Trump-like overtones too in that the subtext to this seems to be a nod and a wink to the far right and pandering to their prejudices that this is all 'Islamists' and 'lefties'
Its ratcheting up their already vile culture war, to widen the remit and 'other' large sections of society who they'd rather weren't there being vocal about their failings
If, hypothetically, Labour were to fail to achieve a majority by 1 seat and your constituency returned an SNP member instead, then that could lead to a Tory coalition.
No it wouldn't because of the 30 ish SNP and a dozen lib dems seats would mean if labour were one short of a majority tories would be 40 odd short so it would be a labour minority administration.
either labour or SNP in my seat makes no differnce to the chance of a labour administration because the SNP will allways oppose the tories
The SNP have formed coalitions with all parties in local councils, including with the Tories. But it seems highly unlikely now, even if there are further changes in who is at the top of the party, that they would join a coalition at Westminster with either the Conservatives or Labour. If the numbers were right, they might take a step back to allow either to form a government without opposition from them though, in return for some Scotland only policy concessions (a referendum on independence or federalisation being the most obvious candidate for that).
The SNP have formed coalitions with all parties in local councils, including with the Tories.
Have they? Which councils are they in coalition with the tories? Its usually tory / labour coalitions to stop the SNP
Edit: Its labour, lib dem and tory policy never to do deals with the SNP. In the past they did have some support from the tories at holyrood on a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours but it was never a formal agreement and D.Ross has now stated he will not work with the SNP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Dumfries_and_Galloway_Council_election
LibDems got clobbered. Labour became largest party. SNP kept the Tories in.
ernielynch Full Member
I bet it is! Which was precisely my point – whining daily about how awful the Tories are obviously satisfies an important need in some people 😃
Michael Stipe said it well:
I know that this is vitriol,
No solution, spleen-venting,
But I feel better having screamed,
Don't you?
kelvin - 12 years and 2 elections ago. that is not the case now
"SNP and Independent Group Coalition with Labour support until February 2023.[51] Conservative minority administration from March 2023.[45]
so no formal coaltion with either troies of labour right now
Nor was it a formal coaltion with SNP / tories in 2012 - it was a tory / independent coalition with SNP support
Actually different sources give different emphasis on this. My bet would be labour refused to work with the SNP so tory administration with SNP support was the only way to get a functioning council but I do not know for sure
Labour became largest party. SNP kept the Tories in.
Is however true depending on where you look from
"If, hypothetically, Labour were to fail to achieve a majority by 1 seat and your constituency returned an SNP member instead, then that could lead to a Tory coalition. "
The SNP would go into coalition with the Conservative & UNIONIST Party - do you even realise this is their name?
I saw a great documentary last night on the film channel. It was called Children of Men, and was about modern Britain.
A bit flattering to Bexhill-on-Sea, but otherwise on the money.
meanwhile
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1763519316719210769
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1763519674052973026
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1763577930599301215
Todays polling has the Tories a whisker away from being the 3rd party and Labour with nearly a 400 seat majority, especially if people were to vote tactically
Interestingly in Rochdale Refiorm collapsed, thats a silver lining for the Tories and could see them boosted
but still Tories looking in almost as bad a position as they were under Truss
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1763592132898504862
Beth Rigby on Sky
BREAKING: PM to make a statement outside No 10 at 5.40pm. Understand this is not calling an election but I also hear he wants to make a statement about something that is important to him. Might be about recent divisions over Gaza and issues of extremism…
Might be about recent divisions over Gaza and issues of extremism…
Sunak:
Dear plebs,
Due to things around extremism, mostly things that we've stoked up and inflamed, you're all banned from any form of protest from now on.
Also we've decided that things are so serious we can't possibly call a GE right now so we'll be in power a while longer.
And you can't protest about it so **** you.
Bye!
/Sunak
I reckon that ^^ mostly covers it.
Given the guardian is reporting this as "Rishi Sunak to make Downing Street speech about 'need to protect democratic processes'" then my guess is crazylegs is about right and he is going to announce draconian measures to stifle dissent
Another early evening party political broadcast from the No.10 lectern in time for the evening bulletins. Shameless.
An unelected (even by his own party members) PM should be the last one to talk about 'protecting democratic processes'.
What the fudge was that about !!
dead cat , or dead duck trying to rabble rouse ?
I think the reference to hate and division was directed at those in his own party, Braverman, Gullis, Anderson etc..etc.
Apart from the above interpretation he got three “**** offs”, one “****”, two “****’s” and one “It’s your ****ing party that’s the issue” from myself, he could’ve done much better
The little tease- saw the breaking news banner and thought he was going to call the election 🤬
So is rishi now trying to tell his headbangers that immigration is good?
That's going to go well
With the tone of that speech I was waiting for the 'We are protecting democracy by declaring Marshall law' line.
I suspect that if they are asking the police to take sides they should have have given them a bigger pay rise last time
An unelected (even by his own party members) PM should be the last one to talk about ‘protecting democratic processes’.
To which the first question should be "ah, you'll be publishing the report into Russian interference into UK elections (and the Brexit referendum) then?"
Closely followed by further questions about Boris shaking his security detail and buggering off to a big party hosted by Lebedev and then giving Lebedev Jr a seat in the Lords.
fair play to Sunak
it would be good to see him crackdown on those in his own party that stoke division so much