[Closed] Right or Privilege to live in the UK?

It's a nice theory.

also, anyone thought about if bringing back National Service would be a good for young people?

might be good for some young people. Less good for the armed forces that had to look after people that didn't want to be there.

damn bad luck i'd say!

I didn't choose to be born here.

I choose to live here.

My allegiance is not to the state but to the people, the land and their shared heritage.

You won't find someone who loves these island more.

You won't find me going overseas to kill muslim farmers either.

Which people? Are you advocating throwing UK citizens out of the county? Where to?

There should be an equivalent of godwins law for "bringing back National Service"

As said before, the military doesn't want people who don't want to be there, they have a difficult job to do for us already.

Besides, we shouldn't burden them our societies problems because we don't want the responsibility ourselves.

might be good for some young people. Less good for the armed forces that had to look after people that didn't want to be there.

What happened in the old days when people didn't want to be there?

Right or Privilege to live in the UK?

Sort of sounds like you want to start deporting criminals back to Australia or whatever again.

We could put all the scum in the army as cannon fodder .Then our decent highly trained soldiers wont get killed needlessly

I used to think National service was a good idea, but do we really want to take the dissafected youth and teach them to kill... maybe fire brigade or something.

If you can find the money to put them through the army or the fire service, find the money to give them jobs. Apparently it is that easy.

[i]bringing back National Service would be a good for young people?[/i]

really? why? what would a spell in the Army teach me exactly?

I think you would make a lovely soldier emsz

[i]really? why? what would a spell in the Army teach me exactly?[/i]

to be grateful for being so privileged.

emsz, it'd teach you to handle a firearm and about explosives, just like a recent Norweigan madman ... national service, genius!

Neutering scumbags, now there's a highly appealing idea ... flame me all you like but I have a point.

Privileged? really? wow. How about a peacefully version, planting flowers, knitting for old biddies, that sort of thing?

Thanks TJ, I'm not certain green is my colour though. 😀

Klunk - Member

really? why? what would a spell in the Army teach me exactly?

to be grateful for being so privileged.

The children of the privileged usually don't have to bother with such schemes.

Wouldn't National Service teach them self respect, discipline, respect for others...etc.?

MSP, my dad works in a warehouse, my mum is a hairdresser, does that make me the child of privilege then?

Mind you, GF went to private school, and has her dad's credit card, she might need a spell in the army, LOL

Tyger I did gymnastics from 6 to about 16, that taught me all about discipline, and hard work, thanks.

emsz - not talking about being privileged

tyger, you don't live in a garrison town do you.. 😉

Okay great! 🙂

[i]Privileged? really? wow. How about a peacefully version, planting flowers, knitting for old biddies, that sort of thing?[/i]

your a subject so you'll do what your ****ing well told to do and without the back chat !

Emsz - are you sure?
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you're just trying to scare him now

i can see some good in enforced community service, but i suspect that those who would accept it aren't the ones you are trying to integrate into the community.

Nice hat!!

I don't see why National Service would have to be restricted to the military...

I'm not certain green is my colour though.

What about pink camo, Emsz?

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[i]Which people? Are you advocating throwing UK citizens out of the county? Where to?[/i]
Can I be sent to Vancouver please?

[i]I used to think National service was a good idea, but do we really want to take the dissafected youth and teach them to kill... maybe fire brigade or something. [/i]

I know, send em down the.. er.. mines 😕

I might be wrong but I'm guessing that most of you haven't served in the forces - from personal experience it teaches you life skills, gives you confidence in yourself and creates a sense or worth - these are what I'm perceiving as missing from so many young people these days. Nation Service is not just about training people to kill and use firearms - other countries have it and it helps youngsters to grow up and respect themselves and others.

Don't wanna be controversial here but **** off squaddie.

neninja - Member

There are a few soldiers on another forum I go on. They are itching to get brought in for a good ruck

Yeah national service would really calm them down.

Don't wanna be controversial here but **** off squaddie.

Have I missed something? How about some respect?

I have actually done National Service (in the army). As much as I got out of it, I don't think it is a good idea. The money would be better spent elsewhere.

druidh - Member
I don't see why National Service would have to be restricted to the military...

This.

We could have a squadron of youngsters working in the forests and hills making better mountain biking trails.

But really... it's a right to live here.

Living in this country is a privilege. Its not perfect, but try living in Rwanda or Vietnam or Brazil if you thing we have a bad country with severe inequality.

Yeah and we could give them a proper wage and call it a job, so who is prepared to pay for job creation through taxation?

(I am by the way)

I used to think National service was a good idea, but do we really want to take the dissafected youth and teach them to kill... maybe fire brigade or something.

F'cough

Why? I've enough problems with those who want to be in FS!

it teaches you life skills, gives you confidence in yourself and creates a sense or worth

Apparently, despite almost every single person under the age of 18 currently rioting and looting, there are a small minority of parents who have somehow managed to raise young people who have life skills and confidence in themselves with a sense of worth. I know it's only a few but it's possible!

</sarcasm>

Sorry but all this call for National service, it's a few hundred youths per city, there is an element of needing to get a grip. Believe it or not, most young people still turn out alright these days.

CHB - Member

Living in this country is a privilege.

Actually its a right 🙄

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really? why? what would a spell in the Army teach me exactly?

Apart from the old dicipline thing. You'll learn that the world isn't all about you, and everything you do in life has consequences - good or bad.
But also you could become
A HGV driver, plumber, electrician, gas fitter, mechanic looking after everything from lawn mowers to jump jets, constuction engineer, commercial diver, nurse, chef, welder, photographer, press worker...just about anything with top quality training. And for those with no hope they'll even learn you up good in IT.

It's also very good for self confidence

Well perhaps I'm getting a little bit bored of Captain Mannering et al thinking national service is a good thing.

CHB - and there's not massive inequality here?

Well if discipline is doing what your told to by the posh kid who went to sandhurst, I can see why some would think that's important with the current Government.