[Closed] Resting heart rates

Max 175, resting 41

yeah, mine is in the 40's when fit and healthy.... its handy to tell if you have an infection and as a guide to fitness... my RHR last year was as low as its ever been.

40...bloody hell my resting HR is lower to mid 60s. And i think i'm bloody healthy.

45 but currently 2 stone overweight, ot changed since i was ~17.

My resting hear rate is usually in the high 40's....max cycling is about 188, can get it over 190 running. I'm 29 now, doesn't seem to have declined much since I was 20 odd

Think max i ever got was 189. I'd guess when your seriously old (like 40 😉 ) then you'll have a slow heart...

Max-205
Min-38
Age-42
And?

Max - 204
Min - 47
Age - 32

And I'm bloody unfit at the moment and at least 10kg overweight 🙂

When i was in hospital in the states in the summer and wired up to one of them machines it kept alarming out cos mine kept dropping below 50.

and i'm mid forties and at that point was about 3 stone overweight.

don simon, is you middle name superman by any chance?

never got mine over 188 i dont think, at least that was what I saw shortly before first white, then blacking out on an uphill sprint. Managed to fall into a bush nicely - put it down to being ill, but its not a bad figure.

48 when I was fit last spring, high 50's now

41? Good grief - looks like I've got a way to go before I'm fit again; currently my resting is 50-52. Maximum I've seen cycling in the last 6 months - 184. This is down from 200 odd when I was at my fittest in my early twenties. Now I'm in my early thirties, about a 3/4 stone overweight but getting myself back in shape slowly...

Isn't recovery rate a better indication of fitness than resting heart rate?

Your max HR drops as you get older. A rough guide to work this out is 220 minus your age gives you a guide to your Max HR.

Resting HR is not super important. What is, is your power to weight ratio.

This is how many watts per kilo you can produce for a sustained time.

FTP (functional threshold power) = your one hour all out power. This is want the pros measure and work with. 🙂

Yes it is. The rates themselves are not that important when compared against other people.

Rates can be used to manage the effectiveness of training. For example Steve Ovett could push his rate well in excess of 200 bpm at the end of an interval (say 400m) but within seconds it would be low enough to commence the next one. during some shorter distance sessions he would not actually stop (so I read) and would simply jog on the spot for a few seconds before starting again.
The important factor is how efficient you are within your own (largely fixed) parameters and how quickly your bpm falls after exertion.

How do you work out the recovery rate?

My resting is about 50, max about 185... age 35

Dont follow the 220 minus your age rule!

Its best to use a % of your max to work out training bands. Unless you are training on a very flat surface with no wind and turns etc your heartrate will fluctuate for the same effort, also as you tire you will work slightly harder to maintain the same pace. As you get fitter this becomes easier to manage.
To work out your recovery rate take a look at the info below

This is from Brianmacs' website and is a basic guide to training rates. (recovery rate calculations below)

The Aerobic Zone - 70% to 80%

Training in this zone will develop your cardiovascular system. The body's ability to transport oxygen to, and carbon dioxide away from, the working muscles can be developed and improved. As you become fitter and stronger from training in this zone it will be possible to run some of your long weekend runs at up to 75%, so getting the benefits of some fat burning and improved aerobic capacity.

The Anaerobic Zone - 80% to 90%

Training in this zone will develop your lactic acid system. In this zone, your individual anaerobic threshold (AT) is found - sometimes referred to the point of deflection (POD). During these heart rates, the amount of fat being utilised as the main source of energy is greatly reduced and glycogen stored in the muscle is predominantly used. One of the by-products of burning this glycogen is lactic acid. There is a point at which the body can no longer remove the lactic acid from the working muscles quickly enough. This is your anaerobic threshold (AT). Through the correct training, it is possible to delay the AT by being able to increase your ability to deal with the lactic acid for a longer period of time or by pushing the AT higher.

The Red Line Zone 90% to 100%

Training in this zone will only be possible for short periods. It effectively trains your fast twitch muscle fibres and helps to develop speed. This zone is reserved for interval running and only the very fit are able to train effectively within this zone.
Heart rate variations for a given intensity

A reduction in heart rate for a given intensity is usually due to an improvement in fitness but a number of other factors might explain why heart rates can vary for a given intensity:

* Dehydration can increase the heart rate by up to 7.5%
* Heat and humidity can increase the herat rate by 10 beats/minute
* Altitude can increase the heart rate by 10 to 20%, even when acclimatised
* Biological variation can mean the heart rate varies from day to day by 2 to 4 beats/minute

Karvonen method

The Karvonen method factors in Resting Heart Rate (HRrest) to calculate Target Heart Rate (THR):

THR = ((HRmax ? HRrest) â—Š %Intensity) + HRrest

Example for someone with a HRmax of 180 and a HRrest of 70:
50% intensity: ((180 ? 70) â—Š 0.50) + 70 = 125 bpm
85% intensity: ((180 ? 70) â—Š 0.85) + 70 = 163 bpm

[edit] Zoladz method

An alternative to the Karvonen method is the Zoladz method, which derives exercise zones by subtracting values from HRmax.

THR = HRmax ñ Adjuster ± 5 bpm

Zone 1 Adjuster = 50 bpm
Zone 2 Adjuster = 40 bpm
Zone 3 Adjuster = 30 bpm
Zone 4 Adjuster = 20 bpm
Zone 5 Adjuster = 10 bpm

Example for someone with a HRmax of 180:
Zone 1 (easy exercise) : 220 ? age = 0; * 65 ? 125

Zone 2 (tough exercise): 220 ? age = 0; * 85 ? 155

Use Google to find the originals and a detailed explanation

all very interesting, and all probably quite out of date.

things are changing rapidly in the field of exercise physiology and heart rate training. you should petition singletrack to produce an article on it, 'cos it affects us all.

yes, even the lard-arse on his 90's saracen.

I have a high resting heart rate of around 65 - 70. always have. Its just the way my body works. I am reasonably fit now but I have been very fit in the past I do have low BP tho

Something to bear in mind is that things change rather slowly in athletic performance however!

Look at any grand prix 5 or 10k event around the world and you will count the non Africans on one hand. I would be suprised if many of them used a HR monitor at all.
UK distance running has gone backwards over recent years with almost no exception. The key to athletic performance is consistent application and effort. At a low performance level I would argue simply cycling/running regularly is the key to improved performance. Adhering strictly to HR monitoring before spending time improving conditioning is like putting high grade fuel in an old banger!

Resting normally between 40-45,max 192.Age 43.
But as above it's how quick you recover & the max you can at ride & sustain without blowing up(your anaerobic threshold) is what counts.

PS the 220 minus your age formula is older than me granny....

about 65. Trouble is, I panic, as when I try feeling for it, it seems I have no pulse, and then when I DO find it I end up holding my breath concentrating...

[i]I would be suprised if many of them used a HR monitor at all[/i]

Then be surprised. It's usually the second bit of (free) kit they ask for after demanding 100 pairs of shoes.

[i]Adhering strictly to HR monitoring before spending time improving conditioning... [/i]

omg! there are STILL people around who think hrm's are only of use to elite performers or for 'conditioned' athletes? go read anything by noakes or any decent exercise physiologist. they make the case far better than i.

ro, can you provide some links please? (I am about to google "noakes").

I am making out a training plan for 2009, I believe I do too much of my training at fast pace, so i have good speed but low endurance and my knees/hips hurt.... thinking of deliberately doing more "base" mileage but not sure how to do this by HR zone.

ta.

You cannot count your own pulse accurately. You get biofeedback effects so its either too slow or too quick. Either someone else needs to count it or you need a monitor that you cannot see until the test is finished

I can alter my heart rate when on a monitor from 60 - 80 just by thinking about it.

I'm not saying porkers cant get some benefit from using a hr monitor however my comparison stands.
Far greater benefits are to be had for example from training say 6 or 7 times a week than by training twice but training more scientifically on those days.

I recall training some years ago with Benson Masya who claimed him and his friends never used them. Benson went on to break the hour for a half marathon.

I trained for many years with runners many of whom had 10k pb's under 29 minutes, in those days lots of brits where knocking on the door of 28 minutes. I cant recall any who used one as a serious training tool. I am sure thats not the case now. However I refer you to the UK distance running performance tables to see how times have deteriorated over the last few years.
If its such a great tool why are runners today running slower than they where 20 years ago?
Its largely a gadget that only adds real value when most other blocks of training have been put in place and is not a short cut to hard training.

You cannot count your own pulse accurately

I suspected as much. And lets just hope the pulse taker isn't too HOT :o)

silverside, i am paid a considerable amount of money by a number of individuals and large sports-related organizations to provide a commentary on subjects similar to those you've posted. you can't afford my reply.

google will provide everything you require. i wish you every success in your training.

RO what athletes do you coach/advise?

LOL at ro. Silverside, interesting article here if you need any persuasion about doing more base:

[url] http://www.letsrun.com/2006/collegesuck.php [/url]

(btw, Tim Noakes, Lore of Running is the book you want to find)

ro , i think thats a bit rich - surfer gave useful information, you just blew a few bubbles and said "google is your friend".... good luck with your business.

ah maybe its my sarcasm detector that is faulty... too much time away from London 😛

[i]RO what athletes do you coach/advise[/i]

ones whose names you couldn't pronounce. yet. vn is a developing country... 🙂

I have a high resting heart rate of around 65 - 70. always have.

My missus has always had an RHR of 80-82?! I think she's a hamster!

You can take your own pulse accurately, if you dont use your thumbs to do so! I can even [b]see[/b] my pulse in my wrists :-)!

Coffeeking - you cannot. What happens is as you start to check your pulse you think ( subconsciously) "thats a bit fast" and it speeds up or vice versa Biofeedback. You must have a third party to check it ( could be a machine but you must not be able to see the readout until the test is finished)

TJ is correct if you know you are measuring you get an effect ....i suspect this is only reduced by using another person and not looking as I suspect most of us would still be aware that our pulse was being taken!!!
Dont know what mine is at rest but do use a HR monitor but less now as not a roadie and frankly need technique more than power/endurance etc.

Now done a proper test:
Max: 190 (as of today)
Rest: 51 (lowest i got, again as of today)
Age: 20
Fitness level: Rather good (I think)
Weight: 11.4 stone
Body Fat: 9%
Height: 6ft 3"

I guess as others have stated, people's bodies work differently.

Will, out of interest how did you test it?

My resting HR is 46, max. 186. Age 39 Height 6 Ft weight 12 stone dead.

Body fat unsure at moment, the resting HR will lower a bit mid February as im training quite hard now on bike so will get fitter and lighter, only a bit though.

As original question was about HR, dont bother to much with it as it can alter with loads of "outside" factors.

Train with power, either powertap or powercranks, very accurate and very good but only realy needed if your very good anyway 😉

resting mid forties,
max had it over 200 today according to my polar.
That was churning up Winnets pass on the road bike in the biggy...

surfer - Member
Will, out of interest how did you test it?

Well to get my resting i just watched TV for 30 mins, so that was hard work. Then to get max on my ride today there is a longish hill which you can sprint up. So i went up it 3 times, and 190 was the max i got. According to my HR monitor IIRC my max is about 197.

Haven't a clue what my resting heart rate, nor does it matter to me one jot.

Thanks for sharing.

S'ok, I thought it was a well thought out and erudite piece of posting that was as insightful as it was brief. I feel like I've really moved the thread on.

😉

[i]i am paid a considerable amount of money by a number of individuals and large sports-related organizations to provide a commentary on subjects similar to those you've posted. you can't afford my reply.[/i]

LOL! I'm charged out at rates of up to £1500 a day and still give out free security and IT advice on here and other forums, get off your horse, especially if you start disputing other peoples input.

For the original OP:
Just took my resting heart rate and it's 45, but obviously that's not proper resting and probably only means anything for me to compare to myself.

*looks around, no horse in sight*

when consulting i'm paid more per day than you 🙂

and i'll hand out whatever advice i consider appropriate, thank you. which is none. well, nothing specific to an individual. but i'm happy to point out when someone is being a ninny.

if you want to discuss hrm's or hrm training in a general sense, go ahead. i will contribute, and at a far more useful and progressive level that you because i know heaps more than you on this subject. i would, however, happily defer to you on matters relating to IT.

it's that horse again. yunno, horses for courses?

My point was I could spend my time cutting down people who provide dubious or incorrect amateur IT advice on here and then refuse to explain my reasoning based on that fact that they couldn't afford my reply but I coose to be either helpful or just not contribute at all.

It appears to be a particularly pompous and superior one you are astride currently.

You maybe in the pay of a company such as Polar with a vested interest, hence your dismissal of my dismissal of the use of HRM to improve performance.

I gave concrete examples of my experience of having the good fortune (through my very limited ability and being in the right place at the right time) to train with some superb international class athletes.
The use of HRM in their training was either limited or non existent. These were commited athletes who left no stone unturned in their pursuit of improvement. HR training was advanced and athletes such as Gordon Pirie used it to some(?) effect decades earlier. Some of the athletes I trained with set times in the 80's and 90's that still rank highly today. Why did the experience of Pirie not inspire them to incorporate and embrace HR training as they did interval training?

I rub shoulders much less these days with good athletes however given the performance claims of HRM manufacturers and evangelists such as yourself why do I not see a HRM on the wrist of every athlete at any level? Quite simply because it only provides maginal benefits to already highly trained athletes and many feel that is dubious.

Your response was to patronise me by saying I wouldnt have heard of the athletes you are advising in Vietnam.
Youve contributed nothing tangible so far other than to infer you are smarter than everybody else and tell us all how well qualified you are.

Sorry Ro - I'm with Samuri on this one (although he used his sword to cut me down on a different thread the other day Grrr! 😉 )

From what I can see Silverside asked for some quick tips / links to help him out and you respond by saying "I'm too big for that as I'm a professional and can earn lots of money doing what you ask"!! In fact for all your supposed experience and knowledge from what I can see you've added nothing to this thread which is a great shame.

How many of us on here are professionals in there relevant fields. I've provided advice a number of times on this forum on my specialist subject and never once considered charging for it or holding back because I could make money by doing so!!! If anything by showing your knowledge you may actually get more referrals - bet you hadn't considered that!

If you don't want to provide an answer to a direct request be slightly more graceful about it in future it'll win you more support from fellow STW'ers.

On the plus side you gave me a fine example of being an ass which I will use to explain to my 4 yr old how not to behave unless she wants to have no friends.

Have a nice day!! 😉

[i]*looks around, no horse in sight*

when consulting i'm paid more per day than you [:-)]

and i'll hand out whatever advice i consider appropriate, thank you. which is none. well, nothing specific to an individual. but i'm happy to point out when someone is being a ninny.

if you want to discuss hrm's or hrm training in a general sense, go ahead. i will contribute, and at a far more useful and progressive level that you because i know heaps more than you on this subject. i would, however, happily defer to you on matters relating to IT.

it's that horse again. yunno, horses for co[/i]

Wow ro, you must be so knowledgable and rich. I bet you're fast as hell too. I'm WILDLY jealous! The only thing that puzzles me is, why you are bothering to grace us with your presence at all?

[i]If you don't want to provide an answer to a direct request be slightly more graceful about it in future it'll win you more support from fellow STW'ers.[/i]

this may come as a horrid shock to you, but winning friends and influencing people has never been very high on my list of priorities. people appreciate advice from people who know stuff which works. which is why i'm well paid. if my advice was cr*p, i'd be poor and unloved 🙂

it's not a question of holding back on advice. general advice on training using a hrm is available all over the 'net. why should i precis it for you? go learn for yourself, it sinks in better that way 🙂

as regards specific advice; it isn't any use unless i have heaps of data on you, and that takes time to collect and analyze - my time - and for that i expect to be paid. simple really.

[i]You maybe in the pay of a company such as Polar[/i]

maybe, maybe not. it doesn't matter. companies don't buy my loyalty, products which work do.

you've got to remember my background is medical. the 'do no harm' thing. and using hrm's is one of the simplest ways i can guarantee that i'm not killing someone.

the appropriate use of hrm's is a subject we could discuss for days. frankly, i don't care to. if you don't want to use the things or think they're the invention of the devil, walk on by. if an athlete wants to use them, i'm happy to talk them through the most appropriate use for them based on their current conditioning and future goals.

if you have specific general questions (huh!?!) on the use of hrm's that you can't find the answers to on the net, ask away.

but if you [i]really[/i] want to get into the subject of training there are so many other aspects you could explore. i mean, [i]really, really[/i] interesting topics. like evolutionary medicine and the influence it MAY have on our understanding of exercise physiology. like the work of crazy people like Arthur DeVany (who is probably a certifiable lunatic but who still raises issues i find hard to explain) etc, etc.

[i]On the plus side you gave me a fine example of being an ass which I will use to explain to my 4 yr old how not to behave unless she wants to have no friends.[/i]

four-year-old don't need friends as much as they need guidance on the fun of learning and being allowed to make mistakes along the way. i think i'd rather you use me as an example of that...

[i]Wow ro, you must be so knowledgable and rich.[/i]

i am pretty smart. i'm not very rich though. i have a girlfriend with expensive tastes.

[i]I bet you're fast as hell too.[/i]

i was in my youth. sadly, that was a long time ago...

[i]I'm WILDLY jealous![/i]

control yourself. you haven't seen a picture of my girlfriend yet 🙂

[i]The only thing that puzzles me is, why you are bothering to grace us with your presence at all? [/i]

i like you. you're soft and cuddly.

you've got to remember my background is medical. the 'do no harm' thing. and using hrm's is one of the simplest ways i can guarantee that i'm not killing someone.

I thought you were in the field of improving athletic performance? Are you saying now that you use HRM to stop people over exerting themselves who may come to harm if they do? Are these athletes?

you seem to be avoiding my considered arguments and questions, something you rudely criticised a moderator for doing only recently!

I did ask 2 specific questions.

Why did the experience of Pirie not inspire them to incorporate and embrace HR training as they did interval training?

why do I not see a HRM on the wrist of every athlete at any level?

[i]I thought you were in the field of improving athletic performance? Are you saying now that you use HRM to stop people over exerting themselves who may come to harm if they do? Are these athletes?[/i]

to ease your pain, i work with a variety of groups, from complete beginners to... well... people who are responsible for national team performance. now stop asking for specifics. if i were at liberty to shout them from the rooftops i would. i'm not.

[i]Why did the experience of Pirie not inspire them to incorporate and embrace HR training as they did interval training?[/i]

i have NO IDEA. how can i speak for a generation of athletes, most of whom i've never met? people do weird stuff. some train scientifically, some by the phases of the moon. both can be successful.

i think what i'm trying to say is that [b]for most people[/b] hrm's offer a frame of reference around which you can base an athletic conditioning programme. and they offer a measure against which they can assess their progress. you don't NEED them, they simply make your life easier and your training more time-effective.

[i]why do I not see a HRM on the wrist of every athlete at any level?[/i]

because people can make choices, that's why. there are no rules. they're not mandatory. people can climb mountains the hard or easy way.

actually - and don't get me started on this - education is a HUGE issue. very few people bother to understand how their body works - the processes involved in athletic conditioning. if you do, you start to appreciate how feedback of any sort on physiological parameters is vital to the process of improvement. hell, i wish we had tiny monitors which fed back a dozen parameters on an individuals physical state.

[i]I would go further and ask why do athletes purchase expensive GPS devices (and they do in big numbers)[/i]

i disagree with your conclusion. i think it's the willy-waving thing - 'hey guys, i just did 5.438 klms at 3.264 mins/klm'. like, who cares? if it's not part of a structured programme, does it matter?

having said that, they are fun 🙂 and i guess that's the best reason for buying. only about 5% of athletes care about ultimate performance, the rest of us are just making up the numbers.

[i]the speed and distance you train at is by far a greater indicator of training effect and benefit than monitoring your HR[/i]

*sigh*

if you were within reach i'd spank your bottom for being so silly.

damn! i really thought i'd get something from reading this post, it seems all i'll be doing is chucking myself of a very high building.

It seems the old stw is finally back......why do some of us take life so seriously???

sigh.......[walks off into the sunset]

You are absolutely wrong.

People do make decisions and lots miss opportunites to improve by ignoring tested principles, such as "fartlek" training advocated and used to great effect by Nurmi in the 20's. Interval training used extensively by almost every distance athlete since the 50's as well as accepted benefits gained through long slow distance training and forms of resistance training.

These areas form the backbone and structure to every training plan for any athlete worth his salt. You are wrong to say only 5% care about ultimate performance. For me a Vets medal in a national distance race may be my dream, for somebody else a national medal in the open catergory or a top 10 in a local XC race. they are all looking to improve within the parameters of their own ability. Nobody would expect to achieve this without a fair mix of the above items within their training plan.

What possible logic would force them to ignore HR training if it could be incorporated to give even the smallest of marginal benefits at a miniscule financial cost??

It even provides them with an excuse to train easier! Every athlete i know who has dabbled with HR training (and I am one) has been suprised by the fact that they are advised (by the device) to slow down! They are told they have been training too hard! Improved performance comes through hard work, Athletes dont get faster by doing less. yes recovery is a key component but at some point distance runners have to run until their eyeballs pop and HR training doesnt offer this, commited athletes dont need to be told when to run harder ony to run slower, this is one area where HR training makes a contribution. Most athletes know this already. I'm not interested in running "easy" and injury free but not making progress. I would settle for treading the fine line between overwork and injury with occasional success thanks! As they say "winning isnt everything but losing is F*** all!

i disagree with your conclusion. i think it's the willy-waving thing - 'hey guys, i just did 5.438 klms at 3.264 mins/klm'. like, who cares? if it's not part of a structured programme, does it matter?

Speed over distance doesnt matter for distance runners, are you sure you are in the correct career? its the only think that matters. Training effect is specific, to run fast you need to both run and do it fast in training, also do lots of it. The relationship to success and high mileage is clear. It has a high dropout rate but who is interested in the many who fall by the wayside. the fact that some get their is proof it works. they wouldnt get their otherwise. Even Coe ran around 70 miles per week and Ovett often over 100. Both used HR within their training by the way because they had covered every possible area in their training and they welcomed anything that could possibly give them an edge.

if you were within reach i'd spank your bottom for being so silly.

Vietnam? Your not staying at Gary Glitters place are you?

every now and then, a new uber-tit appears on this forum.
Rejoice!

Ro - Silverside said

ro, can you provide some links please? (I am about to google "noakes").

You've just said...

it's not a question of holding back on advice. general advice on training using a hrm is available all over the 'net. why should i precis it for you? go learn for yourself, it sinks in better that way

Surely Silverside was after being pointed in the right direction rather than you giving him direct and specific advice and being told he couldn't afford you - but I have to ask how do you know that he can't afford you? Have you priced yourself out of the market??? No wonder you say

i'm not very rich though

If you don't want to be part of a productive community - i.e. this forum then why post on it??

terrahawk, there seems to be more than one on this thread!

I think Ro is just Trolling and is actually a 16 yr old off school ill and bored. 😉

Ho Hum 🙄

surfer, you raise some interesting points, then you lecture me about training techniques that are from the 80's and 90'. surfer, life has moved on. you should too.

the 'alf tupper, tough of the track' training mentality you espouse is a comedic anachronism; a british roadrunning club mentality born of too much time reading 'running' magazine and not enough time researching human physiology.

i'm wasting my time talking with you, and i don't like wasting my time. cheerio.

[i]every now and then, a new uber-tit appears on this forum.
Rejoice![/i]

*blinks*

moi?

uber tit?

is that like a super-mammary?

cool 🙂

[i]Have you priced yourself out of the market???[/i]

i hope not, 'cos my contract's up in three months.

[i]If you don't want to be part of a productive community - i.e. this forum then why post on it??[/i]

hello? i tell you to go discover stuff about evolutionary medicine and its application to athletic training and you tell me i've not been part of a 'productive community'? hell, i wish someone had pointed me in that direction a couple of years ago, i could have saved myself a deal of effort.

i don't expect people to do my thinking for me, and i'm not doing yours for you.

i'm here to converse, not educate. and maybe to make you giggle. just a little 🙂

I love the way someone posts something that, in other users opinions, makes them seem to be a complete nob, then they get loads of responses pointing this out, shortly followed by them trying to justify themselves, then they end up changing their tune slightly once they see they are being shunned by the very group of people who they were trying to impress.

Do psychologists study forum behaviour ?

Do they post trolls themselves just for experimentation reasons ?

Anyway, its all good fun, please continue...........

Ho Hum... you just don't get it do you and that I think is the whole point of this - you just haven't listened / read the posts you have answered have you...

The issue is you raise points of interest, get asked to perhaps give some keywords or links to text / documents so we can hunt this out and can read in our own time. Rather than giving us one or two links / keywords you go on about how important you are and how you don't have time to do it and then spend ages giving people grief on their ideas without any back up or proof of this new world you speak so highly about...

I am not asking for anything personally as I am happy with the knowledge I have or the methods I use to gain extra knowledge. I suppose I am bored and you are amusing me for a few minutes. 😈

OK me next.

surfer, you raise some interesting points, then you lecture me about training techniques that are from the 80's and 90'. surfer, life has moved on. you should too.

Isnt that the point I made earlier, times havent moved on. Over recent years we havent thrown up a homegrown athlete in the UK that can claim to have improved on the times ran during the 80's by his peers. If thats progression then give me Alf tupper anyday! My experience of running during the 80's was that people spent more time training, hence my point about high mileage. If you werent training you were eating or sleeping! I think we shouldnt move on but revisit the successful programs of that era. If you can improve on it go ahead,

The one non African athete of recent years who challended their dominance (Craig Mottram) did so by running over 120 miles per week. His coach Nic Bideau claimed he returned to the methods of a ìgolden ageî quoting Lydiard (old school!)

i'm wasting my time talking with you, and i don't like wasting my time. cheerio.

Dont give up just because you are wrong, you may yet add value, where do I send the cheque?

Got my quotes mixed up but you get the point!

OK, move away from the keyboard, nothing to see here people.

[i]then they end up changing their tune slightly once they see they are being shunned[/i]

i see a remarkable consistency in my position, but then i would; i'm in it. i'm surprised you don't, but then there's no accounting for folk.

[i]Isnt that the point I made earlier, times havent moved on[/i]

hmmm. true. people still rant against hrm's...

[i]If thats progression then give me Alf tupper anyday![/i]

so, surfer, what you're actually pissed (this is a moderator-approved word) about is britian's position in world class running. sorry, i'm not carrying the can for that one.

[i]I suppose I am bored and you are amusing me for a few minutes[/i]

then my work here is complete...

then they end up changing their tune slightly once they see they are being shunned by the very group of people who they were trying to impress.

I've not noticed that happening, though I admit people have written so much about a topic I am entirely ignorant about my attention has been flagging 🙁 I'm not sure how shunning works in this context, how can you distinguish it from someone just doing something else ?

they're shunning me, simon. what can i do? go post on another thread?

btw, why the hell do you know nothing about heart rate training? another luddite?

it's pissing (totally wrong context, but such fun...) disappointing that educated (and i know they're educated 'cos their profiles tell me so) individuals have such poor general knowledge. where did they sit in 'a' level biology? in the home economics class?

ro - if you are so educated why have you got yourself into a slagging match on an internet forum? Having a barny over 'nothing' is not big or clever - you boys and girls should kiss and make up!

actually, i'm sitting here writing promotional copy for a friends project, so i just pop in and out of the forum while i'm thinking about other stuff.

as you've probably guessed, writing here is not utilizing too many of my brain cells.

and hell, i'll kiss anyone or anything. just show me the lips, baby 🙂

ro - now my problem is that I end up getting stuck on the net rather then doning my work - modelling VO2 kinetic response profiles (which I am sure you will know all about), the joys of time delays, time constants and amplitudes!

go on, i'll bite... what, where and why?

by that i meant what are you doing this for, where are you doing it, and why?

Don't get hung up on the numbers. How high or low your HR goes is based on genetics. You can LOWER your own resting HR by being fitter, but some people always have lower values than others.

PS have not read the thread 🙂

With hindsight, I am not sure why I posted that? Maybe just to point out that there are other exercise physiologists who frequent this site who could add some value to the 'discussion' that was taking place at the start of this post, but the post seems to have gone dead now.

no-one was really interested, labmonkey. it's one of those subjects upon which everyone has already made up their mind.

i spent about 20 mins yesterday searching medical databases - without success - trying to find definitive studies which supported the [i]'resting hr increases with age'[/i] thing. like, of course it would if the study population was obese and slothful. have studies been performed on an active but aging population? i can't find anything. it seems to be one of those medical certainties no-one really queries.