[Closed] Rats or mice or squirrels in the loft

Bats? - Should be hibernating at this time of year though.....If so, disturbing them, even unintentionally and you'll be breaking all sorts of laws*

*Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981
Conservation Regulations 1994
Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000

I need a periscope

Nope, a cat.

Is my only other option some potent kills everything poison

Nope, a cat.

I'll have to resort to force.

Yes, a cat.

Could be bats living under the roof tiles. I think we have them, cos there's a very slight whiff of wee in the loft but no sign of droppings or anything else.

FWIW, some rat poison makes them thirsty so they go outside to drink before shuffling off their little ratty mortal coil, so they don't stink up the loft.

Before writing this, I am not condoning this activity. However, if anyone does have a bat problem they would like to be rid of, but don’t want to commit any crimes, you could do as my old man did.

Put a radio in the loft, right near them, ,and play Radio 1 (or alternatives), very loudly 24/7 until they go. Pretty sure they left within a day or two.

Bats we can probably put up with but any mention of them to our neurotic daughter and we'll be on the move again. One flew into her bedroom in the house I rented from my wife when she didn't like me very much (long story) and that was not an experience my daughter nor I and definitely the bat would want to repeat.
It would have to be a ninja cat if I got one as a) the loft space is ridiculously small and b) westie dog is scared to death of them and we'll have another 'bat in the bedroom' like experience with the mutt.
Rats and the effects of poisoning sounds promising (for us - obvs not for the rats) apart from my newly started Buddhist type wannabe life style karma led philosophy. I'll put my spiritual ambitious to one side until this problem is resolved. Needs very definitely must (ps. your 'gift' from St Ann's Hospice is about to be donated to a local charity shop, if that's OK with you Mr N? It's been a long time).
A loud Radio playing 24/7 would probably have us out before the bats but I'll keep it in the arsenal as a last resort.
I can't even put the mice traps in the 'run' of the vermin as I can't get in to see what the vermin actually is, where they go and ergo, what will persuade them to leave.
I'm sure I'm facing a 'kill all' poison and hope they venture over for a taste. I can't even put one of those high pitch noise maker things in there as there isn't any power up there.

Rats. You won't hear the mice. Does it smell? Rat wee is particularly pungent.
Get some bigger traps. Don't use poison. If they die where you can't get them it'll niff for ever!

Not a massive stink by any means. A bit 'musty' if you know what I mean? I'll go and get rap traps today. Thank you
The noise is intermittent through the night as well. Sort of 20 mins and then nothing for an hour or so. Occasionally, it sounds like a marble rolling a little bit which made me think it may be squirrels with nuts but the internet suggests the noise is at the wrong time of the day / night.

Sounds like rats.. We've had issues in the past and it's not a nice thing to deal with. As above - definitely go with traps over poison.. I had the displeasure of fishing a dead 'un from under the floor at peak smelly phase.. the single most awful smell I have ever encountered! (thanks next door for putting loads of poison down!)

If it is rats, you need to try and find out where they are getting in. They live in the sewers so any entry/exit of waste pipes etc. is a good place to start. Do you have easy access under the floor? Get a few traps down there as well. As above, their pee stinks to high heaven as well so if you pull up some boards and it stinks you have an answer.

In my last house the council rat man told me that rats usually come into the loft at night to remove insulation material to line their burrows. He also said that when poisoned they would go outside to die. When I moved out there was a hell of a stink coming from the loft.

Get a small terrier if the current dog is scared of cats?

Stick a gopro up there to film anything or a motion activated camera with night vision - find out what it is and deal with it accordingly.

If its rats up there, once they are gone you might want to investigate how they go in there, holes in roof, guttering etc etc.

Bats, you'll need to get them removed legally or illegally, that's your choice.

Glis glis perhaps?

It's looking like I have a rat problem then? Traps being purchased later today. Poison is going to the back of the list of options based on the lingering nasty diff experiences. No chance of getting another dog. In fact, when this one goes, we won't be having another, ever. I don't own a Go Pro nor any desire to own one previously. Anybody local to Hayfield / New Mills willing to loan me one (but you'll have to take up any damage costs with the rat in question if any is incurred).
Without scaffolding and a very experienced person to put it up (very high banking all around the house - either higher or lower than the ground the house is built on). There is no chance of getting up to the guttering etc. this is going to be expensive, isn't it?
The radio will have to deployed if it's bats.
Just Googled Glis glis. May well make the purchase.

Please don't discount the idea of having mice because you "can't hear mice".
You can, we have them regular in our loft, and it sounds exactly like you have, Scratching, running, and chewing. Sounds like they're trying to eat joists, I'm sure they're not really but the noise one can make is amazing.

If you've found mouse droppings, which are small oval brown then you've got a mouse. It's probably a field mouse (or mice) which come in over winter out of the cold.
Get some of the black and red plastic mouse traps, about £3 for 2. I've caught them with chocolate jam,and belive it or not a nut.
Hope this helps

Buy a sheet of 2mm ply board, and cut it into lengths slightly wider than your traps,

Screw two traps back to back at one end of the ply, bait them, and poke it through the loft hatch,

Fan them out across your loft eves, when they go off you can just grab the ply,

If the angle into the loft isn’t to steep, you could dust the ply with a little flour and see if you get any foot prints. bigger the print, bigger the problem.

Mice will readily take bait from a trap, rats won't. If you suspect rats, get some poison.

We've had both, rats entered through a hole at ground level.

I had a squirrel up there last year and eventually saw where it was entering. Bunged the hole and the noise stoped. Whether he was in or out I'll never know.

Had similar problem 6 months ago. Would hear scurrying between lounge ceiling and bedroom floor, especially at night. Not wanting to pull up the floorboards, I bought an ultrasonic rodent scarer and some traps, plugged the device in underneath bed. Its like magic and I've not heard any furry visitors since or even unwrapped the traps.

[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IBDS9PA/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1 ]Bought this one, but others are available[/url]

For bats we were advised to rig up a temporary bright light in the loft, never bothered in the end

Mice will readily take bait from a trap, rats won't.

They will. They seem particularly fond of Chorizo.

As Muddodger says, you can hear mice in an attic. Had them in my previous house, the more you trap, the more they come in. A battery operated ultrasonic rodent deterrent in the attic was the answer. Every year or so the scurrying sound would come back, I'd pop fresh batteries in and off they'd go. 8)

Those ultra sonic things, then. If I plugged it in on the landing below the hatch for the one of the lofts and I kept the loft hatch closed (it's not very thick plywood), would that work? The only place that i can find locally that I can get to today has 3 plug in to the mains versions (in oner pack) for £25.
Thanks for all the advice and help.
Forgot to say, no access to any under floor areas and due to the position of the loft hatches, no way of getting a person over the average size for a three year old into the loft.

If I plugged it in on the landing below the hatch for the one of the lofts and I kept the loft hatch closed (it's not very thick plywood), would that work?

You would have to have a look at the instructions that come with it. Some of them need to be in the same room as the rodents..

You will hear mice, they make a lot more noise than their size would suggest. Traps - the killing sort, none of this humane business.

Out of those three I'd probably choose squirrels.

If it's squirrels , knocking them down with your car probably isn't a viable option.

Very road safety aware are squirrels.

Weasels....not so much.

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Birds? Sparrows nest in roof spaces just inside the eaves, spaces that are increasingly scarce due to the obsession with sealing houses up to make them more 'energy efficient' resulting in the sparrow population crashing.
They make scrabbling, scratching noises from time to time, but nothing much else. I've had sparrows nesting in the eaves above my bedroom, but the only time you hear bird noises is when they're sitting outside on the phone wires chattering to each other.
Might be raccoons...

Hope it's birds, probably not racoons. I'm going to retrieve the traps in about 20 minutes. Wife is convinced she heard one of them snap shut last night....I'm not looking forward to this.

Most likely mice, the ones that got into our attic climbed up the outside walls. Rats are more the ground dwellers. Mice are noisy buggers too, and they breed quick

Nutella is good, I had three traps up there and caught a dozen in a week. It tailed off after that 😉

Apologies, just re-read and noticed you haven't actually seen any droppings, I was skip reading and saw droppings / small.
Anyway, don't think that mice are only nocternal either.
We heard scratting in the loft at midday a couple of weeks ago, caught him the same day, and Mrs-muddodger was greeted one dinner time by one sat in a kitchen cupboard feasting on the packets of nuts we had in there.
This was at high level so we think it had climbed up the microwave and somehow jumped up through a little gap underneath the cupboard.
Anyway, after a short face off where she thought I'd left a toy in there, until it blinked at her, She put a trap in and got it the same day. Will be glad when summer's back, we don't get any then

OP if you don't like the idea of removing dead mice and especially Rats from a trap them wear rubber gloves. As an aside we where recommended wearing gloves to set the traps as mice can smell you on the trap and may avoid. Finally caught the little sod we had in our flat, took a month and we would often see it running accross the floor ! Genius at hiding the little devils.

Mice aren't nocternal, why would you see kestrals etc hovering during the day otherwise.

Where are you? I've a set of US repellers kicking around somewhere you can have.

monksie - Member
Occasionally, it sounds like a marble rolling a little bit which made me think it may be squirrels with nuts but the internet suggests the noise is at the wrong time of the day / night.

Any joy from the allegedly snapped trap OP?

The result so far......4 peanut butter loaded mice snap traps......4 DEAD MICE!
I thoroughly recommend Sainsbury's budget peanut butter and B&Q's Diall Trap Mouse Control 107G.
Hammy, I'm near Hayfield (Peaks). More than happy to send money to purchase and cover postage if you'd like to sell them?
Apologies for taking so long to get back....I've had a couple of whiskeys to steady my nerves and as I'm completely tea total, I'm now a bit drunk.
Eeeeew, they were rigour morticed as well.
I used two pairs of blue bike mechanic gloves, googles and a dust mask. My wife was at the other end of the landing, peeping from behind the bedroom door :- )

You can get "USB endoscope" cameras: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01EWO99CY/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485376491&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=usb+endoscope&dpPl=1&dpID=41WeUE-FlNL&ref=plSrch

I got one of these to investigate our roof space scratchings. Tape the end to a stick/dismantled wire coat hanger and you can have a look around the loft space.

Rodents will chew through cables btw, so getting rid of them one way or another is necessary. If you don't you might end up with an electrical short leading to a fire in the loft space. The sooner you get it done the better. I'm bracing myself for clearing up the mess and rewiring in our extension where we had mice/rats. 😐

Edit: cross posted. Murderer! 😉

Rats are great fun. Especially with an Air rifle and Night vision.

Glad you're getting it sorted OP. At least it's mice and not rats. I had a rat living in the wall cavity in my first house. Tricky, smart and huge. My deranged neighbour caught it in the end and broke its neck 😯

Apparently rats are creatures of habit, so they follow the same routes at the same times of day. So if you hear the scratching at roughly the same time in roughly the same place it's likely to be rats. This happened in my last house, they were in the attic directly above our bed and it was always about 2am. Council poisoned them.

^ That was also my experience

Air pistol and periscope?
Think WW1 sniper type stuff.
When you come across and mutilated but maybe not dead one or one that obviously took ages to die the missus will get all sentimental. At this point solder Stanley knife blades to the trap.
Careful setting them though.

OP, if you don't like touching the dead mice then get something like this

http://www.robertdyas.co.uk/the-big-cheese-quick-click-mouse-traps-pack-of-2

Fire me a pm and we'll sort something g

"murderer" 🙂
My wife, clever lady, big boss at a hospice has just said, "I've heard those traps go at least 5 times in the last two hours!"
There must be a serial killer mouse up there then because we only have four traps. Love her to bits 🙂
Thanks for all the help and the laughs.
Hammy - you have email

A friend had mice, heard a trap go, went to check on it a while later and found just a little mouse leg in the trap. Disposed of it, reset the trap. Checked it the next day and found it had killed a three legged mouse! I don't think rats are that stupid.

OP, if you don't like touching the dead mice then get something like this

Or you can dust off and nuke from orbit, it's the only answer.

We're now up to 9 confirmed kills and two snap traps have bounced out of sight (don't have to bounce far for that) so I'm estimating 11.
14 traps are now deployed with peanut butter
as bait. My theory is, they can't resist the bait and slowly but surely (if not quicker), kills will outnumber births. I'm also going to put sonic pulse things in both lofts and round the house.
In case anybody is looking in the future or stumbles on this through Google:
Mice are very noisy across loft boards. Foot noise. We've not heard a single squeak. No noise at all in a very quiet house during the day and evening past midnight if we're waking around, watching tv etc. They seem to be active only in the middle of the night when the house is very quiet.
Just our experiences to possibly help others and thank you for your help and giggles.

We too have just discovered mice in the loft. We found them downstairs first and they managed to chew through the food waste bin. We got rid of that and i plugged 3 holes in the kitchen which seemed to do the trick. Laid 3 traps, caught 2 mice and all seemed good. Fast forward a week and we heard some noise coming from the eaves. I didn't possibly think it could be a mouse as it was quite noisy but the Mrs was getting paranoid so put 3 traps up loaded with peanut butter. Caught nothing on the first night but sure enough, caught one on the second.

Still trying to figure out how the little buggers are getting in the house in the first place. Been in the house for 3 years and not had this problem before. They sure are persistent but i'll just have to find out exactly where they are getting in and stop that route of entry. Failing that i think a shotgun might suffice!!!

two snap traps have bounced out of sight (don't have to bounce far for that)

Make a 'special' attempt to find them... I know you said it's awkward but if they've snapped and got a mouse, said mouse will stink like nothing you've ever smelt before. We've had 2 occasions where something wasn't found straight away, 1 stunk for about a month.
Maybe tie some string on the end and pin them with a draing pin, hopefully mouse won't eat the string.

That's a goof idea Muddoger. I'll modify some chicken wire so that I can retrieve the traps (in future). I'll figure out some way of getting hold of the missing one's as well.
I'm going to put the radar noise things in the house to try and dissuade them from coming back and I'll keep traps up in the loft and check them every few days for the few weeks after we appear to have ridden ourselves of our squatters.
This house has more holes in the uneven roof and door frames Chief Inspector that I can see this being a 'lifestyle'. Not a nice experience and seeing them contorted and stiff in snap traps is not nice for either party. I think if I can reduce this down to maybe one catch per week (we're in the middle of the countryside, so I suppose it's to be expected to some degree), I'll switch to humane traps and release them a few miles away.