[Closed] Pulling out when parked

I would imagine so, golden rule of the road is don't cause anyone else to take action because of your own actions.....if you get my drift?

Depends, did they indicate to pull away from being parked? or stop indicating they were parked?

1) Yes
2) See 1

Of course.

There is no "right of way" but there is a hierarchy of priorities.

Turning right when there is nothing coming has priority over moving away from the kerb.

There is no "right of way" but there is a hierarchy of priorities.

Turning right when there is nothing coming has priority over moving away from the kerb.

What rule is that under?

You could equally argue that the person crossing the opposing lane has less priority then those in that lane.

Context is important. These things are never black and white. It would depend how far away the other vehicle was and whether or not there was an opportunity for collision avoidance one you'd pulled out.

In your scenario the car pulling out would, in theory, have "right of way" if it was further from the junction.

If the turning car had started to manoeuvre then it would have "right of way".

Make sure that all emails have been read and answered, then ensure that wife of the driver of other car isn't standing in front of your car in some spiteful manouvre.
I don't really understand the scenario, but you shouldn't do anything that would force the other driver to take avoiding action. Unless they are either registered as a private hire or are taxi cabs. Then you can do what the hell you want, they do, so they'll understand it.

When parked, are you supposed to give way to oncoming traffic

I would have thought it's pretty obvious, when parked, you don't pull into a live lane causing others to take evasive action, you wait until it's clear.

I don't really understand the scenario

OP is crossing the opposite lane into a junction on his right. Opposing car is facing him, parked (initially) at the far side of the junction (unspecified distance away).

surely the parked car is attempting to join the flow of traffic, ergo, the guy turning right has priority

I'd always advocate contraception before this method.

You are parked at the kerb.

You are waiting to pull out.

There is a solid line of traffic passing you.

As the last car passes (say a red Focus), you pull out behind it.

There is a junction just ahead.

A driver has been waiting to make a right turn across the lane you are now in.

He has seen a gap after the red Focus and starts to turn as it passes.

You now have two drivers trying to occupy the same bit of tarmac. I don't think it's obvious who is in error. Both drivers could have been unsighted by the passing line of traffic.

Rule 159
Before moving off you should

use all mirrors to check the road is clear
look round to check the blind spots (the areas you are unable to see in the mirrors)
signal if necessary before moving out
look round for a final check.
Move off only when it is safe to do so.

The last one is key in this scenario but guessing any insurance company would at least state 50-50 so both parties loose their no claims.

Thanks all - at the time I assumed I should have right of way but I only saw he was indicating a second or two before the turn as he was right up in the pavement. I can see how he might have thought he had priority, thankfully it just ended with me having a bit of a 2 wheel drift and him slamming on the brakes. Should probably have played it safe as I was on the bike and just waited for him to go but hate waiting in the middle of the road at that turn - always feel I'm going to get rear-ended!

It was a taxi driver btw - if I'd realised that at the time I'd have known he'd think he had priority!

Both drivers could have been unsighted by the passing line of traffic.

but continued anyway

Well if he was a taxi and you were cycling he clearly has priority.

In his world view.

I thought there was a limit as to how close you can park to a junction. It sounds to me like you're parked on the junction, which I think means no pudding whatever happens next.

#beenalongtimethough

Rule 159
Before moving off you should

check for bogies
plug in phone charger
wipe the crumbs off your lap
check emails
update Facebook with a humble brag
use all mirrors to check the road is clear
look round to check the blind spots (the areas you are unable to see in the mirrors)
signal if necessary before moving out
look round for a final check.
Move off only when it is safe to do so.
Call a no fee no win solicitor

Pulling out when parked

I'm very disappointed that this doesn't seem to be a euphemism.

.... saw he was [b]indicating[/b] ....

It was a [b]taxi driver[/b] btw .....

You're just making it up now

Had a similar one overtaking a gawking tourist in Glencoe a few years ago. Started my manoeuvre, didn't hit the hammer as the chap in front was doing about 30 and wobbling around a bit.

Suddenly, I see a car pulling out of a layby on the other side of the road. All I could do was brake sharply and pull back in behind tourist gawker. Layby man went completely mental and stopped to shout at me (either German or Dutch - couldn't understand him) but to me, it was clear that he was in the wrong. He'd obviously driven off looking over his shoulder without checking the road ahead...

I'm afraid I'd argue that one isn't clear cut either. The HC (rule 167) says:

DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

- approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
...

It might not have been a road junction, but note the words "for example" which suggests their list isn't exclusive and similar situations are also covered - the question is, what is the fundamental difference between somebody waiting to pull out of a junction and somebody waiting to pull out of a layby? It certainly isn't best practice to overtake approaching a layby on the other side of the road where there is a car waiting to pull out and I don't think I'd have gone for it in such a situation (you might be in the right, but why risk it?)

The overtaker was in the wrong and should have been shouted in whatever language also its an accelerator not a hammer..grow up.

I may not fully understand the OP's situation but a vehicle on a road including one manouvering out of a space has priority over one joining it at a junction in theory but the context precisely of the situation may mean the opposite would be true . There are only so many rules in the HC at some point youre going to need courtesy and common sense to get by.

This other "golden rule" thought shalt not cause others to act by your actions, where is that in the HC btw?

I may not fully understand the OP's situation

In the top example below I'd be the green car (bike in my case)and would be indicating right, and the taxi would be the red one, but parked about a foot from the junction up on the pavement
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Suddenly, I see a car pulling out of a layby on the other side of the road. All I could do was brake sharply and pull back in behind tourist gawker. Layby man went completely mental and stopped to shout at me (either German or Dutch - couldn't understand him) but to me, it was clear that he was in the wrong. He'd obviously driven off looking over his shoulder without checking the road ahead...

I'd say that you were in the wrong in this case.

Yes people overtaking other road users at junctions is annoying. I have to turn right about 50m after a roundabout on my cycle-commute, and its a challenge sometimes as cars exiting the roundabout immediately set up to overtake me using the right turn refuge. Junction is far enough away that staying to the right of the lane is not appropriate as some cars can pass, but signalling right as I get to the junction with a stream of cars passing (as there is space) often gets me an annoyed driver beep.

In isolation that's a difficult call as you're both entering / crossing an existing flow of traffic at the same time. However,

parked about a foot from the junction up on the pavement

He was parked contravening THC then, which says you've got to leave 10m for a junction. Had he done that, the situation wouldn't have been possible; either you'd have been turning with plenty of time or he'd already have been part of the traffic flow. I'd say therefore that it's his fault for this reason.

Always give idiots all the space you can - even if they're only being an idiot for a moment, and even if the idiot is you (or me).

I try to drive around in as large an idiot-bubble as I can create - space on all sides, caution, double-checking, assuming the worst in others - to allow for my own idiocy and others'. Then I deploy a very heavy right foot when everything is either very clear or going very wrong.

I haven't read the OPs post, I just wanted to say something because I like the sound of my own voice.

Yeah, 99% of the time I assume drivers will do the most stupid thing possible and ride accordingly, but I probably let my guard down as it was the junction into the road my house is on. Think I read somewhere that a large proportion of accidents happen in the last part of a journey as drivers get close to home and relax! Might be making that up though...

Think I read somewhere that a large proportion of accidents happen in the last part of a journey as drivers get close to home and relax! Might be making that up though...

No, I've read that too - as part of my research to persuade myself that motorcycling is safe. A high proportion of accidents happen within a mile or two of home, either setting out or coming back.

Clearly then, in order to vastly decrease your chances of having an accident you should avoid driving (or biking) within a couple of miles of home.