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Thats my expectation that they try find me that sort of post. I could make it very difficult for them to do so if I wanted tho ie how much extra commuting is reasonable? How big an alteration to my hours is reasonable?
Band 5 tho not 2
Mooman in Scotland the NHS very rarely uses agencies thus the agencies are fighting for care home shifts with a race to the bottom on pay.
in Scotland the NHS very rarely uses agencies
There are agency midwifes at my wife's work, on circa £50-60 an hour and they travel up from that london town to work. Told my wife to get in touch with agency to offer her services
I've read this thread in full and can really sympathise with you. I hope the injury heals fully, and remember you want it to heal up properly so you can enjoy that retirement rather than always looking back and wishing you had let it mend.
If I were in your shoes, I would take whatever light duties they give to you, however mind numbingly boring, and put up with it for a year then retire. If I were your manager I'd be really uncomfortable with you not taking up a relocation only a few miles further away, especially as it's only for a year. As you say, I dont see how you could go on further sick leave if light duties have been offered that are suitable for allowing your injuries to heal, as refusal to take them on if fit to do so is almost just refusing to work.
A difficult situation for sure, but for what it's worth, I'd ride it out for a year even if it's a bit more distance to work and the work is boring. Plenty people who already do that anyway, probably your manager included, but they dont get to sack it off after a year.
I hope it works out in your favour Tj
At the moment I spend 30 mins a week commutting ( 45 when full time)- going to 8 hour days and going to say Liberton where I used to work but left at least in part because the commute was too long I would be spending 4 hours a week commuting on part time and 6 hrs full time - would that be reasonable / suitable? I cycle to work and that is very important to me.
Thanks very much chaps tho - the advice / discussion has been very helpful in helping me formulate my line to take at the meeting. appearing to be flexible etc. Part of me is looking forward to it. I enjoy tying managers and HR in knots - surprise surprise 🙂
I shall use that as something I will compromise on to show goodwill so come in with – ” a longer commute will be difficult for me”
Jesus, coming out with that over a few miles will have them itching to bag you.
6 hrs commuting in a week for a full time job is less than many people I suspect. Remember that how you get to work is not your employers concern. Doesn’t sound unreasonable to me though, commuting within same city etc.
If I was you I’d be looking for a compromise that would facilitate an exit, esp as a fellow shoulder injury sufferer. Worth also bearing in mind that while you may take some delight in tying managers in knots, try and not get their backs up, as that is only going to make them less flexible on a compromise.
mashr - 6 hours rather than 45 mins commute a week?
Iainc - its often the way to a good deal to show them that they have not followed procedure and / or not been reasonable. Often they try to browbeat people into giving up their rights. I will take charge of the meeting and agenda, lay out my case, be polite and then show reasonableness by then offering concessions / compromises.
Depends to a great extent how good the HR rep is - my line manager is a classic dunning Kruger ( she thinks she knows it all, she does not) and the senior manager is anything for a quiet life and is very weak
^^^ fair do’s, and good luck tomorrow, fingers crossed for a good outcome.
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NHS lothian does not use agencies hence I want to keep bank options open if possible.
One of is is ill informed then.
HEALTH bosses in Lothian are paying agencies £1,715 for one nurse for one shift.
Occasionally in very specialised areas Mooman. Very rare indeed in lothian. NOne ever on general wards or other areas where I have the skills to work
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Thats a classic scotsman publications SNP bashing story with a grain of truth made into a huge pile of poop.
Do NHS Scotland have good counselling services?
Your HR person is going to need them....
Anyway hope the shoulder heals soon
TJ
What your commute is now is largely irrelevant(though not for you obvs) but what they offer you has to be within reasonable travelling time.6 hours commute a week is not unreasonable,in fact most folk would love a commute of that time-36 minutes each way!IIRC in the civil service you would be expected to accept a post with an hour each way commute and would have to argue your case for refusing anything above.
As for going off sick ,it may not be an option.Your GP if they're doing their job properly would/should/ and probably already has in the past completed the fit note saying fit for some duties but not heavy lifting/your usual job which puts it back in the hands of the employer to find a suitable post.
To echo others be open and receptive and certainly don't go full on TJ !!
ta again
this to me is when I find STW very useful. Certainly not an echo chamber, a wide range of experiences and no hesitation in calling out folk for being unrealistic
this really has helped me a lot even those sods who don't agree with me! 😉
Best of luck, hope it goes well.
Lolz@ tinas. Maybe I should take a troll or two for “emotional support”
Well I have nothing on tomorrow if you want me to come in and lay the stink* eye on them.
(rather literally at the moment, I hope you have a strong stomach or a bad sense of smell).
In all seriousness though as others have said 6 hours is reasonable enough, I could expect to do that if I cycled every day. People would give their left nut (or appropriate appendage) for a commute that short never mind what you do now. I know you make a big thing of it and how important it is to you but this is one of those times where you need to back off and look at the bigger picture (retirement and what that allows you to do). Play the game and string it out as long as you have to, you don't sound like someone that they would want to sack anyway.
If it looked like they were going to retire you on health would resigning be an option? Pretty sure you can still do bank and pay into pension can you not?
Whatever happens though good luck!
5 miles sounds like perfect commute distance by bike. Far enough to get warmed up but not so far as it'll kill you off your recreational riding. I'd say your current arrangements are 'very' convenient by most people's standards. I know this didn't happen by accident but you've been quite fortunate nevertheless I'd say. A longer commute when you're better could be very good for you too.
Either way, I hope you fully recover, and this situation works out for you.
My 2p’s worth, why not.
Re the commute: your 1 mile now is ideal, but it would be totally unreasonable to not give somewhat on this, especially if only for a few months. It will take longer, but the 5 miles you suggest, gives you WGH (~3miles) and RIE (~5 miles). There must be loads of roles at those two hospitals that you could do whilst you recover fully. As for being a bit bored, well I would say tough - you cannot reasonably expect the perfect job, with the light duties you require.
Less realistically:
- could you ‘act up’ where you are, to a more senior role? - you know the sort, where they swan around and never lift a finger?
- could you take a 3 month sabbatical, take a long holiday travelling, heal, come back and do another year where you are till retirement?
As for being a bit bored, well I would say tough – you cannot reasonably expect the perfect job, with the light duties you require.
I too struggled with that... Being bored sitting there or photocopying isn't their preference, you're the one who's injured, they're doing you the favour....
I can't see how he's got much reason to complain in honesty.
Have you had your meeting yet? How did it go??
Well, if he isnt posting he still has a job 🙂
On my way now
You've taken the shotgun yeah ?
Live Stream it
Not fully up to speed so don't know if this has been covered.
Do you have transferable skills recognised outside the UK?
If so I would gtf out to somewhere warm and sunny where I would be appreciated.
Are CQC hiring?
I am sure your current employer would be overjoyed to see you again as an assessor.
I will keep an eye on Edinburgh Evening News twitter feed - just in case! But seriously we are all keen to find out how this works out.
Do you have transferable skills recognised outside the UK?
If so I would gtf out to somewhere warm and sunny where I would be appreciated.
Given that he cant do his job (the reason for the meeting) I'm not sure this will get far
It would be ironic in the extreme if TJ got transferred somewhere too far away to cycle that wasn't served by convenient public transport.
He'd have to.........buy a car.
How did it go?
Your thinking on this seems very inflexible. Is that something you struggle with in general?
Its only a year, whatever happens. That is nothing. Loads of options.
Boring but light duties - suck it up and count down the clock till your shoulder all heals up, retire at 60 and keep your bank shifts option open.
Take a couple of months sick pay to get fully healed up - you can go off sick if there aren't any actual light duties - then return and count down till retire and keep your bank shifts option open.
Temp transfer transfer - so what if it is 5 miles away? Jesus Christ you are making a right song and dance about the 'commute'. And as above, it is only a year!
He’d have to………buy a car.
Yeah, right.
Go the whole hog:- retire, get a van, start up a dog walking business.
ha ha ha, you lot are terrible.
Maybe he could start a one man crash helmet advocacy workshop?
Your thinking on this seems very inflexible. Is that something you struggle with in general?
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Completely useless meeting. Nothing decided apart from we are going to have a case conference involving occupational health in a few weeks
I'll post more later. Back on duty once the taxi gets me there.
Completely useless meeting
Not so. It's allowed you to burn through a few more weeks of your remaining time.
A few more delays like this'll get you over the line.
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Completely useless meeting. Nothing decided apart from we are going to have a case conference involving occupational health in a few weeks
ach, see those HR folk are never any use at taking charge of the meeting and agenda, shoulda done that bit yerself...oh, hang on... 🙂
I will take charge of the meeting and agenda, lay out my case, be polite and then show reasonableness by then offering concessions / compromises.
I've seen a few guys over the years who were big personalities in their workplaces end their careers on a bit of a whimper, not quite get the big send off and cries of what will we do when you leave?...
It's always a bit sad, one guy in particular was a gem of a man, hardest working and most pleasant guy I've had the pleasure of, took a turn and fell from height meaning he gradually drifted into retirement, no fanfare, nothing.
I think this is a fear for lots of folk, as if retirement doesn't present enough worries as it is...
Anyway, it's understandable if you're feeling that way too Jezza, just do whats right for you, but also the outcome needs to be something that doesn't cause you any more stress or anger.
Best of luck.
I'm not sure that the NHS has to care about your commute.
I currently have a 10-15 min walk to work. When the merger eventually goes through that we've been threatened with the last few years, my commute will be an hour each way by car, so I will also have to incur the cost of buying and running a second car. But that is of no interest to my employer. I either go there or don't, they don't care.
Back on duty once the taxi gets me there.
How can you continue to work there? As you say, the job entails duties you are not capable of doing at present. You are relying on other staff doing the ‘heavy work’ for you. I know what that is like, a nurse’s job can be far more physically demanding than anyone unfamiliar with the day to day activities would realise (it really does depend what type of ward you’re on). Unless they made you supernumerary and you really did just do the light duties for a few months - but from experience I cannot see that happening.
I’m not sure that the NHS has to care about your commute.
I think this might be to win an argument when TJ insisted everyone can live near their job...
Sounds like a miserable situation TJ hope you get it resolved!
Buy a car and get commuting. Cars are great. 😉
I’m not sure that the NHS has to care about your commute.
They do. How much depends on the employment contract.
I currently have a 10-15 min walk to work. When the merger eventually goes through that we’ve been threatened with the last few years, my commute will be an hour each way by car, so I will also have to incur the cost of buying and running a second car. But that is of no interest to my employer. I either go there or don’t, they don’t care.
Previous employer went through a merger, shut down our office ~15 miles away and moved us into a place that happened to be much closer to my home.
Those in team who previously could just fall out of their front door and into the old office whinged, and effectively got given commuting expenses for a year of "transition"... When I pointed out I had effectively been doing the same journey in reverse without any cover for commuting expenses for several years I was politely ignored. But yeah, some employers will actually cover some of the costs incurred if they end up compelling an employee to work further away*...
(*and then probably revise some of the fine print in their company policies)