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Take someone with you Teej, even if they stay quiet, it balances things up psychologically.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49708570
Lolz@ tinas. Maybe I should take a troll or two for "emotional support"
If you're a year from retirement can you not string out the redeployment process to fill at least six of those and then wind down the remainder with a combination of sick leave, short term 'meaningful work' and short days?
TINAS. He won't take your fella, he's wearing head protection. Sorry:)
I agree about showing flexibility but only if and when you are confident enough to undertake your roll completely. Naively, I would have thought the NHS would understand your need for complete rehabilitation.
Lol at TINAS 😂
Cougar
2) I’d have thought that any competent HR / OH department would shit bricks at the faintest whiff of the idea that an employer had wilfully caused or aggravated an injury to an employee.
This.
First thing you should do is have a chat with a Personal Injuries lawyer. Not necessarily so you can sue your employer, but to know how much leverage you have.
Ask your colleagues if they've heard anything on the jungle drums about your situation.
🙂
Seriously though, if the options offered are not satisfactory, you can have a good stab at getting over your intended retirement deadline by a combination of delay, mulling it over, making a counter offer, putting the shits up them by talking about reasonable adjustments and if necessary, going on the sick.
I hope you get a full recovery from the injury
I agree with the compromise suggestions, you need to give them an easy way out which allows both sides to be satisfied. If not just go for the sick leave option, get recovered and go back to normal shifts.
If they offer up alternatives that mean a greater commute, don't refuse straight away, have a think. You might have a nice balance at the moment but sometimes a change can also be an opportunity, (as long as it's not excessive)
Obviously don't go for the redeployment trap option
Yes Ransos it is – redeployment is 3 months trial then if the trial fails you are out with no appeal. Hence wanting the temp relocation instead which has no time limits and if it fails you revert to your old post
I'd say there's next to no chance of that happening: if you were to be redeployed then that has happened on the basis of disability, which is a protected characteristic. I can confidently predict what HR would be telling your manager...
that has happened on the basis of disability, which is a protected characteristic.
Would a temporary injury count as a 'disability' here?
Would a temporary injury count as a ‘disability’ here?
I wouldn't think so - but from TJ's description, it's his managers who seem to be treating it as permanent, hence the redeployment proposal.
What Cougar said - this is not a declared disability and wouldn't meet the criteria. They can't make suitable adjustments even temporarily so TJ can't work. How that happens is open for discussion.
a disability needs to be a permanent condition I think.
I don’t get what is wrong with going on paid sick leave tbh.
I cannot really go on sick leave - I am fit for light duties. The problem is finding me light duties
i suspect HR will be kicking my managers arse for this especially when i tell them I have been asking for this meeting for 4 months and I have it backed up via email
the nuclear options are available for me - the problem is I do not really want to use them as I want to work in this area on a casual basis after I retire
confident enough to undertake your roll completely
he really shouldn't be doing acrobatics with a buggered shoulder
I cannot really go on sick leave – I am fit for light duties. The problem is finding me light duties
You are fit for light duties. There are no light duties. Ergo, you are ipso facto unfit for work, no? Either they find something for you to do or you should be at home with your trotters up, shouting at goats or something.
(Maybe.)
Cougar - they could find me light duties - ie outpatients or something similar. When I first did the injury I was sent for a month to work with the service development team as admin support. I almost had a complete mental breakdown as they gave me two hours photocopying a day to do and left me sat on my own in an office with nothing to do the rest of the time.
Use delaying tactics as much as possible until you get to a point near enough to retirement that the financial downsides are pretty minimal. If that's possible of course. Good luck.
Ta for your thoughts folks. A few things I had not thought of.
My bet is I am sent off on "special administrative leave" immediately and they try to find me a suitable alternative workplace.
I'll update when I can
Get the pants and pencils ready.
Stress is the obvious NHS sickie, then drag it out until retirement date.
you need to take another role then so your injuries can heal properly. Plus you do not want to offend them. I'd be thinking about my biking too. Surely getting injury free as quickly as possible is key. You just need to find a temporary role that's not too bad and you cannot be sacked from. ( maybe maternity cover or something ). As you have good bus and train routes you should consider working further away too or cycling further. Your injury is never going to heal where you currently are.
Cougar – they could find me light duties – ie outpatients or something similar. When I first did the injury I was sent for a month to work with the service development team as admin support. I almost had a complete mental breakdown as they gave me two hours photocopying a day to do and left me sat on my own in an office with nothing to do the rest of the time.
Hahah. That’s what Netflix is for.
You should try reviewing drug master batch records. 600 odd pages of error checking, at 3am, under fluorescent lighting in a clean room whilst all suited up, followed by scanning off plant.
All the best though TJ.
Can't offer much advice I'm afraid but best not mention drums, of any sort.
Good luck Tj
#prayfortj
Nothing to add other than I hope it all works out in your favour.
I do wonder when I tell HR that working there is delaying my recovery and that I did re-injure a couple of weeks ago that they will remove me from the ward immediately
Sounds like withholding relevent information which may shaft any plans of quoting policy at them.
Would carefully reconsider this
Loum when I did the re-injury I completed an accident / incident report and told my line manager at the first opportunity. ie I acted completely within policy and I was working within the guidelines I had been given. Both my immediate line manager and the manager above them will know this as they both see the incident report. I doubt they have shared it with HR
That sounds better.
Was worried that somewhere down the line hr would claim you've not followed elf n safety policy
Good luck buddy
The whole thing is somewhat upsetting - looks like my career is going to fizzle out like a dud banger.
I can’t understand why you are not at home on sick leave.
You are only fit for “light duties” and this is not what your job entails.
You are not fit for work, you need recovery time to get fit for work.
What’s the point in having great a benefit like 6 months full pay sick leave if you still go to work and make matters worse when you are genuinely injured ?
Pffft, you could always go all "Falling Down" on them for the win.
looks like my career is going to fizzle out like a dud banger
See, that's the problem - thinking of it as a career and not just a job.
Although I might still be a bit worried about this
Policies I've signed before have had clauses about taking all reasonable precautions for my own health safety and well-being
Working on whilst not fully recovered, especially with reinjury, could fall outside this.
Management claim you didn't reveal full extent of injury, especially working on.
Take sick leave, you're injured
I have taken all reasonable precautions and worked within the advice given from OH and my line manager. Ie not working with the heaviest and most awkward patients, not doing stuff on my own but with a partner, taking the lightest tasks when working with a partner leaving them the heavy tasks ( something that does not sit well with me when working with a woman half my size)
As OH have said I am fit for light duties I really cannot go off sick again unless something changes. I am fit for light duties indeed in most jobs even in nursing it would not be an issue
I have also kept management updated and have a paper trail to show this.
they gave me two hours photocopying a day to do and left me sat on my own in an office with nothing to do the rest of the time
That sounds like my ideal job
Good luck tj
Are you a qualified nurse or nursing assistant?
I think this is the bigger issue for you. If you are a qualified then getting bank shifts if you retire is not an issue because there are loads of agencies out there who would take on a qualified at 60 yrs old. Also agencies pay more than the bank too.
However, if you are only a nursing assistant, then your options may indeed be limited.
The whole thing is somewhat upsetting – looks like my career is going to fizzle out like a dud banger.
Ah TJ, that's the way all our careers end, not with a bang but a whimper...
Get out while you can; I'd be retiring asap if I were you, I've just done it.
I don't see the problem.
Finding light duties for you to do is not your problem it's up to the organisation-though not agreeing to travel more than 5 miles is not realistic in this day and age without good reason ie caring responsibilities or other health issues.
If they can't find any light duties (which if you're in a large organisation like the NHS and you really want to work then you could fight it and probably win) then they are obliged to offer you severance with compensation and/or finish you on the grounds of ill health which in most cases involves enhancing your pension.
TBF if you are anything like you are at work as you are on here then they will be glad to see the back of you whatever it costs.
#PrayforSTWforumifTJgetsthechop
If I was your employer I would be insisting on the light duties 5 miles away. Unless you have a really good excuse (e.g. your a carer) then that's 'reasonable'. It's a bus ride away. For one year you could manage it.
If I was you I would be asking for options to get out early. You've served your time, your issue is your pension being paid up. Just ask them.
On pensions - you only get your contributions made up if you are no longer able to do ANY job. If you retire on grounds of ill health because you cannot do your USUAL job you do not get contributions made up - you only get the pension now that you would at 60 hence the difference is worth around £750 a year pension to me if I go now on grounds of health not able to do my usual job
Mooman - I am an RGN but agency work pays less than bank work ( often a lot less) and is usually shifts in crap nursing homes not shifts in good NHS units. NHS lothian does not use agencies hence I want to keep bank options open if possible. Night shift in NHS unit is over £200 a shift, in care homes for agencies around £120
Looks like the consensus is I will need to be flexible about distance to alternative posts ( although there is one possibility even closer to my house) I shall use that as something I will compromise on to show goodwill so come in with - " a longer commute will be difficult for me" and end up with "Thats something I can consider - will I get the usual relocation deal" ( paid time for commuting) to " that seems a reasonable alternative"
Crikey - well done you. I cannot wait
Time to be put out to the nursing pasture that is opd and clinics?
We had a HCA who couldn't work due to skin problems. Couldn't wash hands or use hand gel constantly. Now a ward clerk. Just slotted her in.
Also had one with back problems and we found her a job as an ecg lady in the cardiology dept. Win for her.
Never seen someones career ended for needing adjustments in my trust. People have always been given different jobs. Be it opd or discharge lounge etc etc.
I guess agency/NHS pay is different in Scotland then. My wife is a qualified nurse and earns considerably more than the NHS equivalent working for an agency; significantly more than the £200 for a 12hr night shift.