[Closed] Ponderous iDave diet question

I'm hoping that it will be a permanent change in eating as everything else is just yoyo dieting.

I am not going to stick it long term. Once I've lost weight I will take elements of it, and the knowledge of how it actually works and revert to the traditional method of lots of riding and not too much junk food.

I can't keep it up forever, I'm finding it far too grim. Even the thought of the shite meals I've ended up having to force down is making me feel very nauseous tbh.

Cheap spag bol and pasta - nom
Cheap spag bol and chick peas - vom. Seriously, I feel ill.

There is too much goodness in the world that I cannot say goodbye to. And I don't mean buckets of cakes and pies, I mean stuff like.. a latte or a glass of orange juice.

I mean stuff like.. a latte or a glass of orange juice

Which you can have.. just on your day off

You're really not grasping this idave diet 😉

Even the thought of the shite meals I've ended up having to force down

Ah, so you're not on the iDave diet then? 😉

I can't see me going back tbh. Don't miss bread or white pasta in the slightest now.

I'm down to 70kg now (from 75 in jan). Then again i have been doing some base training which has helped.

I'm on a combination of iDave and iCan'tCook.

For example, today at work the suitable options were a nice viennese chicken brest with veg and potatoes. So I didn't have the potatoes, just the veg which was sweetcorn and peas.

How much sweetcorn and peas can a man eat? Not much, it turns out, when that man is me.

I've heard it puts two inches on to your willy.

I read this in my new book - [i]The Big Book of Bollocks[/i]

Ah, so you're not on the iDave diet then?

In other news, water is wet.

Try the SBZ diet instead.

Knew it wouldn't take long for Mr (perhaps fat?) darcy to appear here!

I've been trying the SbZ diet for years and years with very limited success.

Knew it wouldn't take long for Mr (perhaps fat?) darcy to appear here!

Lovely to see you too shweetie pie. Would you like to buy a copy of [i]The Big Book of Bollocks[/i]? Although, it sounds like you've read it already 😉

And why are you calling me fat, eh? Whassatallabout?

I Love You Grippsy. The day you decided to embrace the iDave diet was a landmark in the history of light entertainment. If you were me, I'd say the whole thing was an elaborate piece of virtual performance art, but you really are serious about this aren't you?

Have you considered learning to cook, it's not difficult and it's something that will enhance every single day of your life. It won't be as entertaining for the rest of us, but honestly...

tonight i had lamb chops, green beans, mashed butterbeans with garlic and mint. piece of piss to make - 10 min at most. really nice simple, healthy food (recipe for sale DD)

tonight i had lamb chops, green beans, mashed butterbeans with garlic and mint. piece of piss to make - 10 min at most. really nice simple, healthy food (recipe for sale DD)

Hey snap! I am also eating food tonight!

What are the chances eh?

Jamie, we must be twins!

I hope you paid me a license fee to eat food, DD will be upset at any freeloading nutritional activities.

That sounds delicious iDave 🙂

If you give me the recipe for free, I'll credit you in the food section of the book. Royalties will follow of course.

I hope you paid me a license fee to eat food, DD will be upset at any freeloading nutritional activities.

Cheques in the post.

DD will be upset

Only when I see my bloating frame in the mirror 🙁

Tonight I had a big ol' dish of curry, a nice portion of rice, a nan, a yoghurt with a banana and milky-bar buttons stuffed in it, washed down with some vino rouge.....
My tummy's nice and full now, ready again for my 26 mile commute tomorrow.

I'm sure it's the benefits of red wine that keep my weight stable........

DrP 😉

Darcy - I read something similar in my new book - [I]The Book of Big Bollocks[/I]

but you really are serious about this aren't you?

I am serious about the diet, but I am posting all this stuff up partly for support and recipe advice and partly to add to the general entertainment of STW 🙂

And I actually can cook, I just don't usually cook with this many beans and pulses, so I am still sorting out the right approach. Chickpeas were definitely not soaked long enough, so I will live and learn.

Had mashed butterbeans the other night. They were okay but I could not eat that many of them for some reason - same goes for all these legumes it seems. Even refried beans which are one of my great loves get hard to swallow after half a tin.

Would you like to buy a copy of The Big Book of Bollocks? Although, it sounds like you've read it already

Yep, where do i sign up? Already costing me a fortune paying idave every month for this diet.

Just curious why you keep banging on about it being snake oil/bollox when you probably haven't bothered to try it before making a judgement?

So why do you think it's bollox when there are literally 1000's that have success with it (4 hour body)

The wiki page on insulin makes interesting reading...

Just curious why you keep banging on about it being snake oil/bollox when you probably haven't bothered to try it before making a judgement?

I'm only having a giggle with (chiefly) iDave and Jamie about it. I've never once said it was snake oil/bollocks. I'm probably just jealous of their lithe frames while I waddle about cluelessly.

EDIT: In too good a mood to get into a fight. That's the thing about us chubbies, we're always cheerful.

so your not the serial idave=snakeoil tagger?

I take it all back.

so your not the serial idave=snakeoil tagger?

No, not me mate. That's more likely to be someone with multiple past login names 😉 iDave's one of the good guys round these parts - and that kind of thing engenders jealousy. (I'm only jealous in the nicest possible way)

I did tag the [i]other[/i] diet thread though...see if you can guess.

Would be interesting (if somewhat impractical) to see how diets like this compare with a diet 'placebo'. There's evidence showing that just keeping a food diary can have significant weight loss effects. Does the idave diet work because it forces you to consider what you eat more closely or is there a large benefit from the actual content?

we had lamb tagine that had been in the slow cooker all day, with cous cous. Presumably, apart from the cous cous, that's iDave Diet-approved? There were chickpeas in it.

[i]I am not going to stick it long term. Once I've lost weight I will take elements of it, and the knowledge of how it actually works and revert to the traditional method of lots of riding and not too much junk food.[/i]

Molgrips, How does it actually work ?

Kev

Molgrips, How does it actually work ?

I could tell you, but its gonna cost £££.

I could tell you, but its gonna cost £££.

I'm in enough trouble already... 😳

The problem is that most diets are rubbish. I can never be arsed to follow them properly either and end up not losing the desired weight, which clearly is a failing of the diet. FACT, ALL diets are crap!!!!

The iDave Diet is not a diet. It's a way of life.

You calling me fat?

Mashed butterbeans - dried or tinned? Mashed with what?

Thank you. 🙂

Mashed with what?

A fork usually works.

Awaiting the 'which suspension fork to mash butterbeans' thread

Oh, I like to use my knuckles. 😉

Heaven forbid that proper butter is permitted!

Does the idave diet work because it forces you to consider what you eat more closely or is there a large benefit from the actual content?

I think iDave himself has said something along the lines of, "it's not a 'diet' it's a way of thinking about what you eat"

It's good to re-evaluate how and what you eat, and if 'iDave diet' is moving people to try new food combinations and actually think up recipes that's a positive move.

Personally I would be concerned about the long term exclusion of fruit from my diet, although some fruits are very high GI they also contain many micronutrients that are not found in other foodstuffs.

Anyway, well done iDave, you've gained many converts and made people think about what they eat more carefully - good job 😀

Anyway, well done iDave, you've gained many converts and made people think about what they eat more carefully - good job

Second that. It's fast becoming a church. 🙂

I think vegetables are on the whole more nutritious than fruit..

As far as I understand it the iDave diet minimises the amount of insulin your body generates. Insulin makes your muscle cells hoover up the avialable blood sugar (so you get hungrier sooner I suppose) and makes your body lay down fat.

I've lost weight before through riding 15 hours a week and restricting calories, but it was bloody murder and not particularly quick. On this diet it looks like I've lost two waist inches in two weeks... I don't have hard measurements tho.

I was eating plent of carbs before but low fat, throughout the day (which was the old advice) - thinking it was good for my biking. Which it was in terms of energy levels, but I must've had high insulin levels for most of the day which could explain why it I found it extremely hard to lose weight no matter how much riding I did.

so you're finding out now Molgrips...

[i]but I must've had high insulin levels for most of the day which could explain why it I found it extremely hard to lose weight no matter how much riding I did. [/i]

all those energy bars and drinks.

Kev

Anyway, well done iDave, you've gained many converts....

Well Molgrips....and even he seems to be constantly hanging off the back of the wagon by his fingertips.

😉

hilldodger - you get the micronutrients from the various shed loads of veg.

all those energy bars and drinks.

Those were taken whilst riding. That's still allowed on the iDave diet. Insulin has a different role when you are exercising.

It's the carbs whilst NOT riding that were the problem.

Personally I would be concerned about the long term exclusion of fruit from my diet, although some fruits are very high GI they also contain many micronutrients that are not found in other foodstuffs.

As usual, people jumping onto things without looking at the facts. There is no long term exclusion of any food. You can eat what you want 1 day a week.. if that means 14 bananas, 12 oranges, 49 galaxy bars then so be it

(idave™ disciple)

I think vegetables are on the whole more nutritious than fruit..

Vegetables are not [i]more[/i] or [i]less[/i] nutritious than fruit, there are micronutrients that are exclusive to either class.

Like what?

hilldodger - you get the micronutrients from the various shed loads of veg

There is no long term exclusion of any food. You can eat what you want 1 day a week.. if that means 14 bananas, 12 oranges, 49 galaxy bars then so be it

Exactly why the 'day off' is a bad idea if it results in binge eating - I'm sure your 'leader' woudn't suggest that the 'day off' is for 14 bananas, 12 oranges, 49 galaxy bars.

I'm not in any way 'knocking' iDave, his ideas are good but looks like they may be being misinterpreted by some zealots.....

read the 4 hour body book. It explains the science behind it in there

http://www.fourhourbody.com/

yes, you can eat whatever you want on your day off.. no really

I think you are meant to binge (albeit healthily) on the day off aren't you?

molgrips - Member
Like what?

sorry, missed that -
Most obvious would be fruit enzymes such as papain and bromelain, can't think of a veggie source for those
Also think fruits are far higher in anthocyanins, pectins, monoterpenes, and some minerals (manganese/selenium/copper ??)
Also as fruits are more often eaten raw, the nutrient levels are maintained - I know you can eat vegetables raw, but no way am I opting for 200 g of raw root veg or leafy greens over a small bowl of mixed berries and stone fruits just to 'get my dose'.

Anyway, I'm more than happy to learn from others wisdom but must admit to being in the 'old fasioned' camp of a 'balanced' diet comprised of seasonal local foods wherever possible and no exclusion/over representations of any food group.

But hey, I've never needed to lose weight so am not speaking from experience when it comes to fat reduction and good luck to anyone who's trying to become more healthy - just make sure you know what 'healthy' is before you strive for it 😉

Is there any evidence that deficiency in papain and bromelain is a problem? my guess is the Inuit don't see much fresh fruit in their diets?

And again, one day a week eat what you want, including fruit.

Inuit don't see much fresh fruit in their diets?

And a lot of them are quite chubby.

is there anything to stop people having one of those multi-vitamin tablets each day on the idave diet? 😀

I've never needed to lose weight so am not speaking from experience when it comes to fat reduction

Well thanks for acknowledging this.. lots of people who are congenitally thin thing that anyone who struggles must be stuffing their face with pizza in front of the TV each evening...

Inuit are a special case aren't they? I thought they'd adapted to their diet in unique ways. They eat hardly any fibre for instance, and I assume they still poo.

Is there any evidence that deficiency in papain and bromelain is a problem?

not [i]per se[/i] but they are often given as supplements to people suffering with digestive problems so seem to have functional significance

my guess is the Inuit don't see much fresh fruit in their diets?

iDave... why do you bother? You have far more patients than I do!

Personally I could never give up fruit, and I also find that if I start the day with fruit it seems to curb hunger pains for the rest of the day, although I do eat pretty steadily all day long 🙂

lots of people who are congenitally thin thing that anyone who struggles must be stuffing their face with pizza in front of the TV each evening

I'm not congenitally thin, just raised proper 😉

It may be relevant to point out that a fat kid will always struggle to be a thin adult, that lifestyle not genetics.

The number of fat cells you have is determined in your pre adolescent years, dieting may reduce the quantity of fat each cell holds but will never reduce the number of actual cells.

my guess is the Inuit don't see much fresh fruit in their diets?

nor vegetables

indeed. but their obesity rates are soaring due to adopting high carb western diets and lower activity levels

molgrips, I was under the impression you ate /drank them most of the time anyway but I guess not... less cakes and sweet stuff mid afternoon then whilst sat in front of the PC 😉

Kev

I was raised well, which is probably why I'm only a few kg over racing whippet weight, rather than a blob.

Sitting in front of the PC was a major issue for me - when I started work I kept buying snacks and compulsively eating them.. veery difficult to deal with that one.

Let's face it - our enemy in the modern world is mostly BOREDOM!

indeed. but their obesity rates are soaring due to adopting high carb western diets and lower activity levels

I assume you mean high GI carbs, as I thought your plan was not carb restricted ?

Anyway, I'm not arguing with your basic strategy, it's well proven under different labels - eat complex carbs, plenty of high grade protein and cut out maufactured/processed foods - common sense really but many people do seem to need reminding of this, so well done for raising this topic to such high profile 😀

MMmmmmmmmm - berry fruits, welsh cakes and yogurt for lunch soon 8)

yes I mean simple processed carbs... of the type pumped into junk food

It's a bit more than just healthy eating tho hilldodger. I'd have thought milk, rice, potatoes and fruit were all ok for healthy eating but they affect your body in a way that might not be best for weight loss.

Re Inuit again, I think that most indigenous Americans have more trouble than us westerners eating junk food. Been lots of discussion about it using places like Mexico as examples.

I'd have thought milk, rice, potatoes and fruit were all ok for healthy eating.

They are arent they? just not to much of them.

They are, but they make you produce insulin that has certain effects that I personally want to avoid.

Let's face it, losing weight from fairly normal to fairly skinny is not a natural thing for my body to want to do. So I am having to manipulate my body to get what I want.

Let's get this straight - I am not talking about healthy eating, I am talking about going from healthy 90kg to healthy 78kg to make myself faster on the bike.

[i]Let's face it - our enemy in the modern world is mostly BOREDOM! [/i]

very true indeed. I find I eat less when I'm active and busy, sitting around in front of a PC makes me crave food which I know I don't need, so I don't give in to it, just ignore it - soon as I get on my bike to ride home then get in and start doing things, funnily enough I'm not hungry anymore 'till feeding time later in the evening.

I've travelled a fair bit of Central America and their diet is riddled with sugar. Local guides advise not to give the kids sweets they crave because of the lack of available dental treatment.

Kev

Paradoxically, If I didn't control myself I'd eat loads more sat in front of a PC at work than if I was say walking in the mountains all day.

mol, whats your exercise like? When i was able to run a fairly high mileage each week, i lost 4 kgs without trying/cutting back on anything (whereas for cycling i seem to naturally be slightly heavier) If you struggle with the idave diet, it might be worth looking at ways you can just run a calorie defecit and train harder/smarter/more? Just a thought 🙂

Molgrips... when are you posting the 'before' pic?

Edit - Yep follow the Dirty one's advice... try swimming 😉

I suspect Molgrips is being well trained 😉

Don't listen to yeti about the swimming, he just wants to see a photo of you in your speedos! 😉

DGOAB - it varies, but it's usually structured training. So 10 hours ish base riding in the winter then mixed intervals/threshold stuff in the summer, with races, normal and base rides thrown in. Bit of running too, once a week.

Like I say I did lose weight by keeping a calorie deficit whilst base training but it took a hell of a lot of time and effort. And I simply could not keep up a calorie deficit whilst doing speed training.

iDave is way easier to do in some ways since your body's red alert I must eat system is not activated. It's about manipulating your body's systems. It also seems to be working much more quickly than previous efforts.

I took the before pic last week after one week on the diet. I'll give it a few more weeks then post before and after 🙂

EDIT - swimming is on the cards yes. I have swum before, didn't make any difference to my weight but I was just trying to do lengths which was a bit pointless from a training point of view I think. I need to get some strength into my swimming muscles and start cutting the water like a shark yeah baby

oooh... how about a forum members A&A swimsuit edition?

In the photo I took, I am wearing lycra cycling shorts rather than speedos. I felt it more appropriate.

molgrips... swimming will probably make you gain weight.

DGOAB - it varies, but it's usually structured training. So 10 hours ish base riding in the winter then mixed intervals/threshold stuff in the summer, with races, normal and base rides thrown in. Bit of running too, once a week.

I've done some base training over the winter (never more than 1hr at a time). I had a fitness test done before i started training where i was burning 42% of fat at my aerobic base point
(The highest heart rate where fat is the predominant fuel). Which i'm told was pretty inefficient (i.e i had a crap base)

I had another test last week and that's now gone up to 83%.. so i've become more efficient at burning fat as a result.

I was told this is also because of following the diet... my body has adapted better

I've gone from 75kg in December to 70kg now.