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If R2D2 has the Death Star plans stored in its memory, how come it has to tap into the Death Star to locate the shield generators so that Obi Wan can disable them?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 12:46 pm
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I don’t know, but I know an AI that might…

The difference in tasks between storing the Death Star plans and needing to access the Death Star's systems to locate the shield generators can be attributed to the specific details and real-time information required for each task.

1. **Storing the Death Star Plans**: When R2D2 carries the plans for the Death Star, these plans are essentially static data. They provide the overall design, layout, and structural details of the Death Star, which are crucial for identifying vulnerabilities (like the exhaust port that Luke Skywalker ultimately targets). This type of data would be fixed and would not typically change once the Death Star was constructed.

2. **Locating the Shield Generators**: In contrast, accessing the location of the shield generators likely required real-time data. Shield generators could be a part of the Death Star's defenses that might change in terms of operational status or specific location (especially if they are designed to be mobile within the structure or have multiple redundant systems). R2D2 tapping into the Death Star's own network could be necessary to get the most current operational data, such as which shield generators are active, their current power levels, or even precise current locations within the massive structure of the Death Star.

Essentially, the plans R2D2 carried would not necessarily include or be updated with the current operational status of the Death Star's defensive systems, requiring direct access to the Death Star's network to obtain this specific and potentially variable information.

edit: having read that twice, it sounds a bit tenuous….


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 12:55 pm
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The plans were stored in R2D2's memory, but hidden to avoid detection. So they were there, but not accessible by the droid.

Probably 🤔


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 1:07 pm
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In Toy Story, Buzz Lightyear doesn't realize he's a toy, he thinks he's a real astronaut. But, he always plays dead whenever a human enters the room.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 1:31 pm
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How does Andy reattach the poster to the wall to cover up the big hole he's been making?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 1:38 pm
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I don’t know, but I know an AI that might…

Does anyone else bother to read the rest of a post that starts like this?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 1:40 pm
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George and Lorraine McFly are quite happy to employ Biff at the end of Back to the Future, despite the reason they first got together being because George stopped Biff sexually assaulting Lorraine.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 1:53 pm
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Does anyone else bother to read the rest of a post that starts like this?

But you did read it… 😂


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:12 pm
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IN Dukes of Hazard, A-Team, Blues Brothers and more - you see the car destroyed/bent at the end of a jump regularly, then drive off in a pristine car...


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:17 pm
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Every movie where someone with time travel ability gets surprised by their opponent.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:23 pm
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Every Bond villain lair has apparently been built without ever raising any suspicions regarding audit trails, supply chains, the vast army of highly skilled labour required to construct it, the money to fund it and - in the more recent films - without ever showing up on spy satellite pics and causing someone in any nation's intelligence services to ask WTF is being built on [remote island].


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:32 pm
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SR: Andy died of hydrogen sulphide poisoning on the way out.

Secret lairs;  Been worrying about that since Tracy Island.  A certain rather good series in recent years actually addressed this issue in a very interesting fashion.  Won't name it too good to spoil.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:33 pm
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In looper they send people through time and space to be killed by a person only to hide the body, why not just send them to the earth's core?  Or the sun? Or pretty much anywhere that will result in their death?  Why use a person in the past at all?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:35 pm
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Having laid waste to a vast amount of central Paris how is Liam Neason allowed to fly out?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 2:40 pm
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Raiders of the Lost Arc would have ended exactly the same way without the presence of Indiana Jones.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:02 pm
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In Toy Story, Buzz Lightyear doesn’t realize he’s a toy, he thinks he’s a real astronaut. But, he always plays dead whenever a human enters the room.

It's because he is a toy and it's an uncontrollable, involuntary response.

You can't ruin Toy Story for me.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:04 pm
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How does Andy reattach the poster to the wall to cover up the big hole he’s been making?

Wasn't it Raquel Welsh or Rita Hayworth or some such?  All alone in a men's prison, there's an obvious solution.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:18 pm
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everything in  Reacher


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:23 pm
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Who's driving the boat?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:43 pm
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If R2D2 has the Death Star plans stored in its memory, how come it has to tap into the Death Star to locate the shield generators so that Obi Wan can disable them?

This was actually in the film, the plans are inaccessible until Luke accidentally triggers the hologram playback.  Even then, R2 has no knowledge of what it is or even that it's playing.  It's like having an envelope sneaked into your pocket.  What envelope?

What always irked me even as a kid (because Nerd) is that he's an R2 model astromech droid with designation D2.  So in the entire galaxy there's a maximum of 260 Artoo units.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:46 pm
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4Weddings - Hugh choosing Andie MacDowell over Kristin Scott Thomas.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:48 pm
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4Weddings – Hugh choosing Andie MacDowell over Kristin Scott Thomas.

#anyonebutduckface


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 3:59 pm
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4Weddings – Hugh choosing Andie MacDowell over Kristin Scott Thomas.

From memory (I haven't watched it since it aired at the cinema), I would have.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 4:17 pm
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This was actually in the film, the plans are inaccessible until Luke accidentally triggers the hologram playback.

But he does that before they get pulled onto the Death Star, so by the time Old Ben needs to know, they know R2 has the plans. Also, how come the Ewoks have a dress that fits Leia?

Every movie where someone with time travel ability gets surprised by their opponent.

In one of the Earlier Potter's, Hermione has a time traveling device, making the rest of the books redundant.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 4:36 pm
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Also, how come the Ewoks have a dress that fits Leia?

They had it left over from one of their previous victims that they trapped, cooked and ate.

Obviously this opens up another plot hole….why didn’t the Ewoks strip their victims before they cooked them?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:02 pm
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why didn’t the Ewoks strip their victims before they cooked them?

Like a normal person!


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:17 pm
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The real question is, what was in the sausage rolls at the buffet they had at the big party on Endor at the end of Return of the Jedi?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:24 pm
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Also, how come the Ewoks have a dress that fits Leia?

From the Caravan of Chaos.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:34 pm
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So in the entire galaxy there’s a maximum of 260 Artoo units

Some major assumptions there - why can't we have R2-11 or R2-A11 etc? Heck if there were only 260 in the galaxy they'd be pretty rare, so if you were looking for one and found an R2 unit in a passing speeder there'd be a good chance it IS the droid you're looking for.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:41 pm
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If ET can levitate the entire BMX gang to fly to the landing site; how come he didn't just do that at the beginning to get back on his space-ship when it took off without him. Also: how come they took off without him in the first place? Arseholes.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:43 pm
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Raiders of the Lost Arc would have ended exactly the same way without the presence of Indiana Jones.

You absolute bastard.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 5:54 pm
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If R2D2 has the Death Star plans stored in its memory, how come it has to tap into the Death Star to locate the shield generators so that Obi Wan can disable them?

Durrr...I have many Word docs stored on my backup HDD but I can't open them as the HDD does not have Word.exe installed...

Vlad (not a Star Wars geek)


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:05 pm
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None of the droids make any sense. Are they alive or what? Why are they so weirdly specific in what they are good at. And why do they need to "talk" everything. Haven't they got wifi?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:05 pm
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How did the Empire not catch Obi Wan Kenobi after he cunningly changed his name to Old Ben Kenobi, carried on wearing the exact same clothes and ‘hid’ on the planet where 99.999% of things happen in the universe.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:10 pm
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Rooster in Top Gun: Maverick looks remarkably young for a chap who was a toddler in 1985, when he was featured in the original film…


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:30 pm
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Bellochs staff was too long at 72 inches so they knocked a foot of it for Indy and it was still two foot taller than him, was Indiana Jones a midget, FFS?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:38 pm
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Also: how come they took off without him in the first place? Arseholes.

Because they were close to being caught by the group of people looking for them (ie, the man with the keys dangling from his jeans and co.)

Raiders of the Lost Arc would have ended exactly the same way without the presence of Indiana Jones.

Yes, and it had ended that way many, many times before without Indy being involved (all the arks stored in the warehouse in the closing scene).


 
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Also where did Indy hide on the submarine? Or did he just hold his breath while it crossed the Adriatic?


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:42 pm
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Raiders of the Lost Arc would have ended exactly the same way without the presence of Indiana Jones.

Much as that scene in the Big Bang Theory where Amy explains this flaw to Sheldon is very amusing, Indy does save Marian Ravenwood from the evil Nazis in the bar so without him she'd have died horribly. Or just given the Nazis the medallion and been left to carry on her drinking games.

Although at the same time, Indy's intervention does burn the place to the ground so I guess that's 50:50 as to how much use he is.

Also, it's apparent that Indy and Marian already had a relationship in the past which suggests  she was potentially underage...


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 6:56 pm
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Where Eagles Dare is just one wild string of plot holes but one that stands out...

When they get to the castle, it has an anti-aircraft battery in the courtyard.

Quite apart from having a very narrow field of fire, really only useful for enemy planes directly overhead, if that was fired, the shockwave would break every window in the castle. Anti-aircraft guns are stationed on hilltops miles away where they can shoot things down before they're actually overhead dropping bombs.


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 7:05 pm
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Also, it’s apparent that Indy and Marian already had a relationship in the past which suggests she was potentially underage…"

So this is supposedly a transcripy of George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Larry Kasdan plotting out the film

G — We have to get them cemented into a very strong relationship. A bond.
L — I like it if they already had a relationship at one point. Because then you don't have
to build it.
G — I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known
this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.
L — And he was forty-two.
G — He hasn't seen her in twelve years. Now she's twenty-two. It's a real strange
relationship.
S — She had better be older than twenty-two.
G — He's thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she
was only twelve.
G — It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.
S — And promiscuous. She came onto him.
G — Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting.
Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and
he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was
madly in love with him and he...
S — She has pictures of him.
G — There would be a picture on the mantle of her, her father, and him. She was madly
in love with him at the time and he left her because obviously it wouldn't work out. Now
she's twenty-five and she's been living in Nepal since she was eighteen. It's not only that
they like each other, it's a very bizarre thing, it puts a whole new perspective on this
whole thing. It gives you lots of stuff to play off of between them. Maybe she still likes
him. It's something he'd rather forget about and not have come up again. This gives her
a lot of ammunition to fight with.
S — In a way, she could say, "You've made me this hard."
G — This is a resource that you can either mine or not. It's not as blatant as we're
talking about. You don't think about it that much. You don't immediately realize how old
she was at the time. It would be subtle. She could talk about it. "I was jail bait the last
time we were together." She can flaunt it at him, but at the same time she never says,
"I was fifteen years old." Even if we don't mention it, when we go to cast the part we're
going to end up with a woman who's about twenty-three and a hero who's about thirty-
five


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 7:17 pm
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None of the droids make any sense. Are they alive or what? Why are they so weirdly specific in what they are good at. And why do they need to “talk” everything. Haven’t they got wifi?

It drives me a bit crazy tbh, the droid revolution/droid rights story is so obviously right there for the taking, and they keep sort of skirting round it then pulling back. Sometimes it's really grim, like, C3P0 in that last one has the scene where he's potentially about to give up his life and he says something like "I want to remember this last time with my friends" and 10 seconds later people are literally laughing about it. Solo got right into it too, except that everyone just sort of forgets that there's a living robot mind literally slaved into the millenium falcon, even when it was sat in that junkyard for years or risking being blown up. We have droids with trauma, droids that are in love, droids that sacrifice, but even the heroes treat them like jokes or pets.

Droid lives matter


 
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Star wars...

How can that many clones bread specifically to be soldiers, with that many Lazer guns, fail to hit a single target? 😀


 
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What always irked me even as a kid (because Nerd) is that he’s an R2 model astromech droid with designation D2.  So in the entire galaxy there’s a maximum of 260 Artoo units.
AFAIK this is entirely something invented by fans (and possibly non-film material, books, games etc). R2D2 is his designation but there's no such thing as an R2 model - the numbers are completely arbitrary. (Somewhat obviously, as the movie people are just making all this crap up as they go along 😂)


 
Posted : 13/05/2024 7:32 pm
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How can that many clones bread specifically to be soldiers, with that many Lazer guns, fail to hit a single target? 😀

Who do you think trained the chaps in white armour in episode 4 onwards?


 
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