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Agreed, but there is no reason that should be acceptable or tolerated.
Yes: But that isn't solving your wife's problem.
Funnily enough I went outside, caught up with him and he we had a 'confrontation'
What was his reaction?
I prefer picking it up in a bag and launching it at them. Yeah I use more bags walking the dog but they soon learn, really pisses me off when I see them doing it outside the garden gate and they are watching me watching them watch their dog.
Its the ones that give it the old "Oh have you got a bag? I forgot to bring one", you ****ing moron, you are walking a dog, bring what you need with you to tidy up!
Its not end of story no. Public place my dog is on a lead and a very close, normally a holti or a dogomatic collar type thing. Where we normally walk her, she does as she pleases off lead. Albeit shes 99% playing with a ball and trying to get the other out of my bag so shes focused..I'm not going to call my dog back every time and put a lead on her if I see a runner, wouldn't bloody get anywhereWhat the dog thinks, or how it interprets the actions of a human is irrelevant. It's a dog. The dogs owner should have it under control in a public place, end of story
On the very odd occasion she does bolt off at someone she always runs straight past them or lays down for a belly rub, we've spent a year attempting to train this out of her and spent money on private trainers doing so. Eventually got told by several breeders at crufts, it was a breed thing and good luck with it she's attempting to herd.
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Agreed, but there is no reason that should be acceptable or tolerated.Yes: But that isn't solving your wife's problem.
No but [url= http://www.healthandcare.co.uk/treadmills/technogym-jog-forma-treadmill.html ]this is. [/url] OP only needs to stop being selfish and shell out for a treadmill. Now his wife can continue jogging but she can do so without infringing on any dogs rights to run completely out of control and do what they want.
How's this for an idea....train dog owners to train their dogs? If your dog can't behave around humans step off the path and take your dumb animal with you. It might be a wacky idea but I think humans should have right of way.
This.
Enforced by a team of nervous, vigilante joggers armed with pepper spray.
Problem solved
The problem is some owners. I was walking my dog in a park. A Jack Russell ran towards my dog which just put a turn of speed on and avoid it. Then as I walked past around 40 feet from the owner who was sitting on the grass the Jack Russell ran up and started nipping at my ankles. I stopped and shouted at it which stopped it. As soon as I started walking away it was back and I had to pull my leg out the way a couple of times. I tried to walk off a few times but as soon as I turned my back the dog was back in.
Absolutely no reaction from the owner while this was happening. Next time the dog came in I had a good hard kick at it. I missed but the immediate reaction from the owner was an outraged "DID YOU JUST KICK MY DOG!
She was up for an argument but I just walked away as the dog had now stopped trying to bite me leg. either because it realised kit would get kicked or because the owner had reacted.
Unbelievably though. absolutely no reaction which the dog attacks a passer by but outrage when someone defends themself from the dog.
A Jack Russel. No problem. But a big dog could be a serious problem.
Must admit it's pretty rare that's the only dog problem I've had for years and I walk my dog and jog in an area popular with off lead dog walkers.
Come to think of it the last time a few years ago was a small terrier which tried to bite my legs as I jogged past. Same owner attitude when I didn't just stand still and let a barking growling dog get hold of my leg.
Theres some stupendous victim blaming on here!
I think there is some good advice on dealing with aggressive/excited dogs here. [url= https://www.cesarsway.com/dog-behavior/biting/when-dogs-attack ]when dogs attack[/url]. Again, having something loud could be a handy backup and would also provide some confidence.
All these people saying to kick the dog etc are being as narrow minded as the cyclist haters out on the road. If anything it is the owner that needs to be punished, not the dog.
If anything it is the owner that needs to be punished, not the dog.
Kick the owner then? Sounds about right.
I'd kick the owner but they are not usually the ones biting my legs at the time.
This is the kind of 'blue sky' thinking that got me were i am today...
Your partner get a rucksack full of kittens to take running with her. The extra weight makes her stronger and fitter (Win No.1) but as a bad dog approaches she can deploy a moggy (just like choppers do with flares when locked onto by a heatseaker). Dog is distracted/attracted to kitten (Win No.2). Kitten is killed to death (1 less cat in the world - Win No.3) and partner gets home safe and sound. That's 3 wins and no laws are broken.
Didn't read the entire thread so sorry if it's already ben suggested.
on and on posted something bloody useful back there. Best it's ignored in favour of bickering though eh. I'll post a pic to help -
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https://www.police-supplies.co.uk/dog-deterrent
DezB - Memberon and on posted something bloody useful back there. Best it's ignored in favour of bickering though eh. I'll post a pic to help -
A child's face.
Well I didn't want to get in the way of an argument 🙂
OP...
I'm genuinely surprised that 3 pages in & you still haven't picked up the phone & spoken to a professional!
Why not?
Why rely on anecdotal evidence rather than professional advice??
Or have you? In which case I humbly apologise!
[i]Why not?[/i]
Sitting back watching the bickering is too entertaining?
Right, I'm not really sure the OP wants a solution.
1. Talk to the owners, tell them you don't like their dogs jumping up you and ask them to keep them under control, you may have to do this a few times, people can be quite thick.
2. Do some research (lebowski has linked some good resources) and learn to be more assertive with dogs without resorting to violence.
3. Get a running buddy.
4. Get some of that bite back stuff, try squirting a bit of water in the meantime.
5. maybe run at a different time of day when there are less dogs around.
6. If the dogs are out of control and dangerous, call the police/dog warden, giving precise details.
7. Talk loudly to the local councillor/MP about the problem.
8. Reflect on your own behaviour around dogs, is there anything you can change about your demeanour or body language which may help.
9. Roll in fox shit, it makes you invisible.
These are just a few suggestions, most have already been made, but cock it, lets argue about nothing instead...
[quote=fin25 ]1. Talk to the owners, tell them you don't like their dogs jumping up you and ask them to keep them under control, you may have to do this a few times, people can be quite thick.
Have you ever tried that? IME even following being bitten, dog owners just get defensive and can't see they've done anything wrong. I think the OP mentioned them laughing at their dogs being "playful" which is quite typical. See also: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/why-are-we-seen-as-different
5. maybe run at a different time of day when there are less dogs around.
What if that's the only time you can run - I used to run a lot at lunchtimes, when plenty of dogs were around and it was on one of those occasions I got bitten. When else in the day do you suggest I did my sessions?
6. If the dogs are out of control and dangerous, call the police/dog warden, giving precise details.
The OP also says they've already done that.
8. Reflect on your own behaviour around dogs, is there anything you can change about your demeanour or body language which may help.
Yeah - I've been victim blamed on that one before as well, when I'm just out for a run or ride doing my best to ignore the dogs. Because you know I actually like dogs (and don't even mind them coming up to me so long as they don't bite).
Right I'm back. Without reading the thread, I am going to assume the OP didn't get the answers they wanted, so started arguing with everyone in the thread?
Woah there aracer, they are a list of possible suggestions, no victim blaming, i'm genuinely trying to help someone avoid getting into trouble. I don't think it ever does any harm to reflect on your own feelings and behaviour. If after reflecting, you don't feel that you are contributing to the problem, crack on.
for the same reasons I took the 'run somewhere else' option, probably not an option for a lone female but I now run on the local grouse moors where there's signs everywhere saying dogs must be kept on a lead, so there's never any dogs up there, it's much more enjoyable.
Problem with all this is that many people are idiots and many of them own dogs so whilst in ab ideal world the joggers of this world should be unmolested its not going to happen getting the to shout no or sit or something will make most dogs think twice.
local grouse moors where there's signs everywhere saying dogs must be kept on a lead, so there's never any dogs up there,
dog walkers our way ignore all that, includes the heroes with trail hounds, lambing season paah that's for other people
Here's an idea no one has mentioned yet:...
GET A DOG!(a rescue crossbreed)
It would love to go running with your wife and dogs are generally ace.
Dog owner for 20+ years plus I regularly encounter 'problem' owners and dogs when trying to walk/run/ride shared trails/bridleways.
Most dogs are simply wanting to play - running and waving your arms in the air probably just excites dogs. Simply stop, fold your arms and look away - most dog might have a sniff, but then probably walk off.
If you know the cues, aggressive dogs behave quite differently to playful ones - learn to know the difference. Barking and wagging tail usually means play not aggression.
As well as deterrent, how about simply throwing a few dog biscuits on the floor? Food's more interesting than humans to most dogs.
The argument about control doesn't wash with many owners - I had one dog walker try to tell me that I should have turned around, ridden back 200m and waited behind a gate on a bridleway as he had priority and I was the one 'out of control' - I was just trying to ride wide and slow. Many dog-owners are f*wits too 🙄
Try a dog repeller / alarm thing. Or try [url=
Simply stop, fold your arms and look away - most dog might have a sniff, but then probably walk off.
So OP or I should stop what we're doing (jogging) stand still and wait until dog and owner leave the area? Perhaps your dog should be on lead and stand still until we leave area?
I too am fed up of dog poop everywhere, dogs off lead and all over the place and more than a few careering towards me on bike or foot.
Christ, what a depressing thread. It's like reading the comments on the Daily Mail 'truck' / cyclist' post earlier today.
If the OP's missus wants to be left alone, she should be left alone. End of. All this whataboutery around how she should WTFU or learn to be a dog whisperer is madness. "Maybe it only wants to play!!!1!" Irrelevant, she doesn't want to. "Have a conversation with the owner" yeah, great, how about "do you have a first aid kit" as an opener? And of course, most dog owners are receptive to constructive criticism.
Pepper spray is clearly the wrong thing, and I don't know what is, but all the OP asked is "look, how can my wife be safe?" Anyone got any good ideas beyond "its her own fault"?
I agree with Cougar 100%.
but all the OP asked is "look, how can my wife be safe?" Anyone got any good ideas beyond "its her own fault"?
Dude, there's been loads of suggestions, many of them pretty good ideas, only a few trolls and the odd suggestion that a bit of self reflection is never a bad thing, if not just to eliminate oneself from enquiries, so to speak.
Most of us, even the dog lovers among us, recognise that dogs jumping up at you can be bloody annoying and have tried to help, but to be honest, it's a pretty difficult problem to solve when all the solutions are glossed over so people can argue.
I can't be bothered reading 4 pages but I'm a runner/cyclist/dog owner & the main problem is generally dog owners who don't understand that not everyone likes dogs & runners/cyclists who stubbornly refuse to veer from their intended course because they're "in the right".
If you insist on some form of repellant the Police use this:
It's effective.
That said, you're likely to get a dog lead round the back of your head by an irate dog owner.
It's difficult to be non-emotive when you've had a run in with a dog, but ignore the dog, stop & explain to the owner that they could help by just holdin into the dog whilst runners etc pass. Has to be calm, non-emotive, rational otherwise it just becomes a battle.
I agree with fin25 100%
Cougar - ModeratorChrist, what a depressing thread. It's like reading the comments on the Daily Mail 'truck' / cyclist' post earlier today.
If the OP's missus wants to be left alone, she should be left alone. End of. All this whataboutery around how she should WTFU or learn to be a dog whisperer is madness. "Maybe it only wants to play!!!1!" Irrelevant, she doesn't want to. "Have a conversation with the owner" yeah, great, how about "do you have a first aid kit" as an opener? And of course, most dog owners are receptive to constructive criticism.
Pepper spray is clearly the wrong thing, and I don't know what is, but all the OP asked is "look, how can my wife be safe?" Anyone got any good ideas beyond "its her own fault"?
Nail Head + lots, switch this to someone who allows their children to run riot in a public space would you just say "its OK they are only playing" as they throw rocks at you?
If the OP's missus wants to be left alone, she should be left alone
If the OP's question had been "My shed keeps getting broken into & all the bikes get nicked. How can I prevent this happening?" I take it everyone would be happy with the answer " People shouldn't steal other people's property".
Yes, owners should control their dogs...but some don't. Suggesting that the only solution is getting some sort of physical deterrence is, perhaps, just a little naive.
That was kinda my point; or at least, half of it. (The other half being, what can she really do?)
There's no point being right if the alternative is being bitten, but blaming the victim isn't helpful.
Dude, there's been loads of suggestions,
The bite-back stuff seems to be the only sensible one, and that's fantastic. All the rest seem to be variations on "go somewhere else" / "learn about dogs." Sod that.
it's a pretty difficult problem to solve when all the solutions are glossed over so people can argue.
You're absolutely right and I apologise if I've "glossed over" anything.
Too many cat people in here. Dogs FTW!!
learn to be a dog whisperer is madness
I couldn't disagree more strongly.
I think finding out a little bit about how dogs think & behave would be very much a sound thing to do.
IMHO one of the best ways of dealing with something I don't understand/have a fear of it is to learn a little bit about the subject more: think of it as a bit of personal growth.
What's the downside?
Why are you so anti the idea??
Why are you so anti the idea??
Hates dogs 8)
I think finding out a little bit about how dogs think & behave would be very much a sound thing to do.
Compare: "I think finding out a little bit about how rapists think & behave would be very much a sound thing to do."
That's a ****in stupid comparison.
Woah there aracer, they are a list of possible suggestions, [b]no victim blaming[/b], i'm genuinely trying to help someone avoid getting into trouble. [b]I don't think it ever does any harm to reflect on your own feelings and behaviour[/b]. If after reflecting, you don't feel that you are contributing to the problem, crack on.
Looks like a subtle form of victim blaming to me.
The animal belongs to someone else, it's behaviour is causing a person distress, why should the distressed party be forced to modify perfectly reasonable behaviour in order for someone else's problem animal to stop causing distress?
Again, let's blame the victim for someone else's lack of care and consideration.
What you are doing is victim blaming. I know its not your intent but it what it amounts to. It is the dogs owners responsibility to stop the dog bothering anyone. Its is not Joe Publics responsibility to have to learn about dog behaviour. You may think its sensible mitigation but others differ.
It is perfectly legal to use whatever means to hand or necessary to defend yourself from a perceived threat from a dog.
Compare: "I think finding out a little bit about how rapists think & behave would be very much a sound thing to do."
Seems reasonable TBH - I would want my daughters to at least give a thought about where they're walking (especially at night) and what accepting a drink from a stranger could actually signal. So yes, seems a good idea. Ideally it wouldn't be necessary, but it's not an ideal world.
It's easy to screech "victim blaming" over the internet, but the sad fact is that we live in the real world, and some people are ****s. Learning about how to avoid the negative aspects of this is pretty sensible advice.
km79 - Member
That's a **** stupid comparison.
Is it?
I've yet to see you post up any solution that doesn't automatically place the onus on the victim to do all the work to modify [i]their[/i] quite reasonable behaviour, and none at all about those actually responsible for allowing the animals in [i]their[/i] care to prevent them causing others actual distress.
You're clearly a dog owner who assumes absolute right over what you and your animal can do in a public place.
Which puts Cougars comment in context, just like those who say women should modify their behaviour when out alone, dress in a 'non-provocative' fashion, etc.
Again, victim blaming.
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[quote=fin25 ]Most of us, even the dog lovers among us, recognise that dogs jumping up at you can be bloody annoying and have tried to help, but to be honest, it's a pretty difficult problem to solve when all the solutions are glossed over so people can argue.
The trouble is, most of the solutions involve modifying perfectly reasonable behaviour which isn't bothering anybody else. When I was bitten whilst out running I was doing an interval session - not barging past anybody as there was plenty of space on a big wide path. The owner of course suggested that I should have just stopped running. Well that would really make my interval session work well wouldn't it? Oh, and the last time I was bitten whilst riding, the owner suggested that my riding was unreasonable because it impacted on her right to let her dog run free.
I do get that as some* dog owners are ****wits it is an issue we have to deal with and complaining that it shouldn't happen isn't helpful, but neither are suggested solutions which involve having to stop doing what we're doing whenever there's a dog about.
* I know plenty, none of whom are, hence I presume it's a tiny minority spoiling it
edit: not going to edit the word which the swear filter caught, and quite clearly it should have been caught, but it's got more than 4 letters and isn't quite as offensive as you might think
Firstly. Victim blaming is a problem when it absolves the guilty from responsibility. If you accept that dog owners should control their dogs then you aren't 'blaming' the victim. If I leave a £5000 bike outside a supermarket and refuse to lock it up , that does not mean anyone is entitled to steal it. Suggesting locking it up is not blaming the victim.
More pertinently. The OP is looking for a practical solution to a specific problem appertaining to his wife. Suggesting that all people should control their dogs isn't going to help her in this instance. What is the point in reacting to an individual particular issue with a generalised rant about a population wide problem. You aren't suggesting a solution to the OP's situation. He's asking what [b]she[/b] can do about it, not what society as a whole needs to do.
Seriously you lot are very binary aren't you.
Yes, irresponsible dog owners are the problem. If the OP's wife has tried dealing with the owners through dialogue and reporting to the relevant authorities and still had no luck then a bit of holistic thinking may help. My input was aimed at trying to find solutions to a problem, not worrying about who's fault the problem is, as that ship appears to have sailed.
Compare: "I think finding out a little bit about how rapists think & behave would be very much a sound thing to do."
Now you're just talking shite.
Go away & have a word with yourself.
FFS comparing dogs & rapists as being the samething! A rapist, I'm assuming, knows the difference between right & wrong. A dog has no clue..
In fact enlighten us - how do dogs & rapists occupy the same space??
I am in no way victim blaming but a little work on ones own perception of things can work wonders.
Really, is such a concept so hard to grasp?!
If it is, well, this place really has slumped to new depths.......
Which puts Cougars comment in context, just like those who say women should modify their behaviour when out alone, dress in a 'non-provocative' fashion, etc.
It's a lovely idea, but the sad fact is that the real world doesn't work that way - some people are *s. And that might mean that the sensible option is to modify your behaviour. I fully agree this shouldn't be necessary, but there you go, that's real life for you.
FWIW I'm both a dog lover and a runner, and it pisses me off no end when some bloody dog wanders into my path, let alone when it runs up barking (playing or otherwise). I shouldn't have to stop, but some times it's necessary, and I'm glad I know how to behave when I do so. I also know how to run past a dog - move over to the other side of the path, talk to the dog as I pass, and show no fear. Again, I shouldn't have to do this kind of thing, but some dog owners are *s.
This is why I fully agree that the OPs wife should think about what she can do to minimise the problem, and I don't think this is in any way suggesting she's actually guilty of causing it.
Is it?
Yes.
I've yet to see you post up any solution that doesn't automatically place the onus on the victim to do all the work to modify their quite reasonable behaviour, and none at all about those actually responsible for allowing the animals in their care to prevent them causing others actual distress.
The OP wasn't looking for something that the dog owner could do?
From the OP.
She's now invested in a pepper spray dispenser and is going to take it out when running. Any dogs running up to her in an aggressive manner will get sprayed.I'd prefer her not to do this, or be put in this position, but I'm at a loss on what to recommend.
I took that as looking for an alternative to using pepper spray? If there is a product out there that she can use that will make those actually responsible for allowing the animals in their care to prevent them causing others actual distress then please share.
You're clearly a dog owner who assumes absolute right over what you and your animal can do in a public place.
Bollocks. **** you too.
Which puts Cougars comment in context, just like those who say women should modify their behaviour when out alone, dress in a 'non-provocative' fashion, etc.
Again, victim blaming.
Not once did I blame the victim, thats a ridiculous suggestion.
How about some pepper spray?
oh, hang on...
That spray looks like just the job.
*orders*
Like the op's wife I hate it when dogs come bounding up to me with all those pointy teeth.
In fact this thread has become fing tiresome with opinions being flung around with little or no substance. As someone who has worked in a rescue centre I find the lack of understanding & willingness to lean really quite disturbing.
I've seen the downside of irresponsible dog ownership & all too often it ends in death & sadness.
Those of you who think a hoof in the slats is the way forward, well I hope you never have kids! Negative reinforcement really doesn't work, trust me it's been scientifically proven.
Over thousands of years mankind has domesticated the dog & we owe them a debt of responsibility. Both as pet owners & Joe Public who comes across them. Yes, pet owners & non pet owners share that responsibility. Maybe there's no place for dogs as pets in modern society, but they are here to stay.
It's high time both sides acknowledged that & stopped feeling so put upon by the other.
You may not like that fact but it's true. They depend on us. It's only fair we treat them with respect. If you can't find a way to do that......I hope we never cross paths in the real World, I think I'd probably think you a total @rsehole.
Over thousands of years mankind has domesticated the dog & we owe them a debt of responsibility.
Ah, the "sins of my grandfather". No - I don't owe dogs any debt of responsibility. I like dogs, but I expect their owners to control them. And if that means kicking a dog or threatening it when it comes too close, so be it. Negative reinforcement works just fine [i]right now[/i], which is all I care about when a dog is being aggressive.
Apart from one bite in history, since when has the OPs wife encountered aggressive dogs? We need to remember the distinction.
Negative reinforcement works just fine right now
Oh the short termism of todays society - I'll just kick the problem further down the street & someone else can deal with it.
Nice.
That someone who ends up being someone like me who has to pick up the detritus after someones else's irresponsible behaviour & your poor decision making.
Thanks, I'll let the vet know how you feel - I'm sure he'll understand as he puts the dog to sleep!
Oh the short termism of todays society - I'll just kick the problem further down the street & someone else can deal with it.
Well, if it's not my dog why should I have to deal with it???
Nice job of cutting text from mogrims reply there!
why should he deal with someone's aggressive dog? He's not kicking the problem further down the street he's teaching the dog a lesson that it has consequences if it carries on in the same way it will hurt the dog.
Its quite correct that the owner is at fault but that is of little use if the said owner is not in control of the said dog & its attacking you.
This thread has reaffirmed my faith in humankind.
Tldr. What about one of those high frequency devices that only dogs can hear?
Showing my age a bit now but on the road bike a nice frame mounted aluminium pump makes for a nice easily extensible item to wave about in an emergency...
I used to be a BT field engineer and over that period I had dogs jump/go at me lots and lots of times, I built up plenty of tricks to avoid getting bitten from the loudly closing the van door while remaining in the van trick for farm dogs to the running away bloody quickly trick. Yes I was intruding in their domain however if they'd go for me then they'd go for some nipper out on their paper round, so as far as I was concerned wearing steel toe capped boots (for pole climbing) was my ultimate response.
During that time my worst was having a dog running down a hallway and jumping straight thru a closed window at me, so as well as fighting off the snapping dog that landed on top of me I was showered in glass. I've seen one of my colleagues that had been thru multiple attacks whip out a pair of nunchucks (stored in his van for that very occasion) and poleaxe a dog right between the eyes when it went for him.
I'm over 6ft2 and 16st, grown up around animals small and large, from the tiny to the 700kg+ ones, so I am not lacking in confidence or in knowledge of how to comport myself amongst pack or herd animals. Some owners have not bothered to take on the responsibility of properly educating and controlling their dogs so as such, either they should remove themselves and their animals from public life or accept the consequences of their laziness.
I ride in a country where stray dogs are the norm, ones which don't chase bikes, motorbikes or runners.
Local forums have various discussions on how to manage dogs - from a mild ammonia solution in a water pistol, to carrying a can to whack them with, to using a sling shot.
The most effective I have found is shouting at them, loud and aggressive, I find "get out of it" the easiest to get a decent roar with. I've stood down a pack of 30 dogs on my own in the mountains.
Cougar said:
Anyone got any good ideas beyond "its her own fault"?
I provided a link to an article by the dog whisperer which advises on what to do when dogs attack. I find the suggestion that learning about dogs is not useful rather perplexing. Knowledge is power and learning how to deal with dogs helps one to deal with dogs!
I also suggested that having something loud as a backup would be useful.
I'm not trying to blame the victim at all, just trying to furnish her with the information to best deal with the situation should it happen again.
Runners, smear yourself in tiger poo before leaving the house and dogs (and other humans) will steer well clear of you.
Dress as a ridiculous straw man or perhaps a troll, that'll scare the dog off.
I find "get out of it" the easiest to get a decent roar with
This is good advice. I have found "Come and have a go if you want some you furry ****s, you're going home in an ambulance" to be overly-long.
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My partner was recently out walking our dog. He was off the lead on a quiet country lane, minding his own business and ignoring the passing runner as he does. Runner didn't ignore him though- "get that f'ing dog on a lead" was his opening gambit to my partner. She replied "he's fine" at which point runner became more (verbally) aggressive which did pique dog's interest. People are the problem- sometimes they're dog owners, sometimes not. I guess prior experience cuts both ways and I'm now retraining my dog runners aren't dangerous......
I've never been bitten by a runner.
If I am walking my dogs and I see a rider or a runner, I recall them and out them in the lead if necessary to ensure that the riders and runners can proceed without disruption. If I am riding or running and see a dog I tend to slow down and pass calmly - normally with pleasant word with owner.
All pretty simile really - to date never been bitten or had a problem with a rider. Only once had a do get too close and then used my bike as an effective barrier and firm, string commands.
Dogs and humans can co-exist perfectly well.
OP, my advice would be to leave the pepper spray at home or put it in the bin.
What you are doing is victim blaming. I know its not your intent but it what it amounts to. It is the dogs owners responsibility to stop the dog bothering anyone.
The problem is many dogs are owned by idiots so unless you can find a utopia with all dogs having responsible owners you are screwed.
Also its funny to read the responses of those crying victim blaming, most seem to talk about those making suggestions as if it was their dogs who bit the the op. Control "your" dog etc.
Anyone got any good ideas beyond "its her own fault"?
It seems no one is interested in my earlier solution.
PErhaps sacrificing kittens is a bit extreme for the right wingers on here, so if for some weird reason you don't want to rid the world of cats maybe you could substitute the furry ****o's with Bonio dog biscuits. A bit lighter to carry so less of a strength/fitness boost but easier on the conscience and the wallet. Dogs love the cardboardy goodness and they are dense enough to get a good 'yang on' and bounce them off the threatening dogs little face. Shock! Awe! And a little snack.
This thread has reaffirmed my faith in humankind.
Thread-reader, if you're wondering why the world is royally #$@*ed, [i]circumspice[/i] 🙄
A bit lighter to carry so less of a strength/fitness boost but easier on the conscience and the wallet. Dogs love the cardboardy goodness and they are dense enough to get a good 'yang on' and bounce them off the threatening dogs little face. Shock! Awe! And a little snack.
Would be better if you lace them some kind of powerful laxative, one that takes a while to effect the beast, by which stage it's back at home.
Try talking to the dog. I usually greet them with "hello doggy", or for big slavering hell hounds, "hello little doggy".
You may feel like a tit, but it works.
Would be better if you lace them some kind of powerful laxative, one that takes a while to effect the beast, by which stage it's back at home.
Or, coming full circle, lace them with pepper. Not as illegal as pepper spray but comes very close to answering the OPs OP. If dogs are anything like me, they'd be pretty much incapacitated during a sneeze.
Shock! Awe! Little snack! Impending Itchy sensation! Convulsive expulsion and Euphoric confusion! The runner would be long gone 😀





