[Closed] Payrises!!

Start at 20k and accept 18k?

Current place £15k

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I pay more tax than that in a year

What are these 'payrises' of which you speak?

well done boardinbob. You must be super.

I pay more tax than that in a year

Bloody hell, life really is a beitch - why can't we all be like you? 🙁

BoardinBob = AWESOME

hmmmm I think this could be tricky.

What's to stop your boss putting forward the case that you accepted the job at 15k?
And how do you know everyone elses wage?

What is the job? Could he simply tell you to beat it knowing that he'll find someone else at 15k?

I'm not putting you down at all, but I think that this type of thing can be difficult to negotiate once you're in.

Oh, and 15k in tax - one day I'll make that much....... one day....

I had a word with my boss this morning about a payrise. I told me to **** off.

I pay more tax than that in a year

What do you do? Any jobs going? Actually my last boss probably paying similar, quite easy just inherit a company and do sweet FA! Not that I'm saying BB is in this situation.

What are these 'payrises' of which you speak?

Sorry pal, but as can be seen I earn very little so I won't be ashamed of talking about it online. Although I'm aware many people won't be seeing a rise.

What's to stop your boss putting forward the case that you accepted the job at 15k?

Yes I did jump into the job but all these media outlets made me feel the world was caving in, I wanted a job.

And how do you know everyone elses wage?

Just through listening and I asked the chippie what he earns.

What is the job? Could he simply tell you to beat it knowing that he'll find someone else at 15k?

I design small buildings (not an architect) I'm not sure there are certainly people who can do what I do but, I'd be surprised if A) there were that many in the area. B) If he could get them to take £15k. I imagine we would both loose, me having no job and the company producing second rate quotes thus loosing money to the competition.

I had a word with my boss this morning about a payrise. I told me to **** off.

Have another word tomorrow haha!

BoardinBob - My house staff pay more than that in tax 😉

I pay more tax than that in a year

I pay more than 8 times that in tax a year.

Awful lot of poor proles on here

What is this tax of which I hear you people speaking? 😉

God there's some big headed tosspots about tonight...!

Tails, how about working for yourself? Either set-up on your own or go contract? Would that be a possible option?

My tax bill is bigger than yours is. Nur-nu-nu-nur-nur

PP -is that the kind of thing you were referring to? 😉

In my last proper job I paid more in NI, than you paid in tax BB 😈

so BoardingBob earns about 70k a year. Big Fu**king Deal! Hardly how the other half live is it? what a prick.

to the OP, good luck, I'm sure you're boss will know what you're worth, and I expect he's been waiting for you to ask.

Tails, how about working for yourself? Either set-up on your own or go contract? Would that be a possible option?

It is ultimately where I'd like to go, but I don't have great business/networking skills and I'm fairly new to the full time working world 3 years experience from uni. So feel it is best to stay an employee for the time being. Plus start up costs are £££££.

God there's some big headed tosspots about tonight...!

I think the majority are joking, besides you get the joy of knocking off their Audi wing mirrors on the commute

What are these 'payrises' of which you speak?

Sorry pal, but as can be seen I earn very little so I won't be ashamed of talking about it online. Although I'm aware many people won't be seeing a rise.

Yeah, sorry, tails. Just that my lot don't do payrises, so I guess we get a pay cut every year!

All you can do is ask, if you're valued and the company can afford it you're in with a chance. You do need to be prepared to call their bluff though, if you honestly won't go somewhere else it'll probably come through during the negotiations.

It all comes down to how reasonable your manager is, it's amazing how many managers utterly rely on their staf but never see it.

"I pay more tax than that in a year "

I spend more than that on lunch in a year.:)

You lot are so easy at taking the bait 😆

I pay more tax than that in a year

I've got more than that down the back of the sofa.

I shall not be getting a pay rise for the next two years. 😕

There is a very strong possibility that I will be made redundant before I get to see any future pay rise. 🙁

I shall not be getting a pay rise for the next two years

Haven't had one in 2 years 😡

I also shall not be getting a pay rise for the next 3yrs 😐

However I paid off the mortgage today, so [s]I[/s] we now have some more free cash. 😉

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ha ha! I just got a 2.75% rise.
IN YOUR FACE BOARDINBOB!

/wipes tears of laughter from eyes with a fiver

/wipes tears of laughter from eyes with a fiver

😆

At least it's nice to know that being a crass insensitive idiot doesn't preclude one from earning a very good wage. 🙂

15k is exactly what I pay my STW Forum ghost-writer

Show him what you have brought to the job and how you have added value.
Dont back him into a corner and dont go to war and give him every opportunity to say yes rather than winding him up and giving him a reason to say no. You may be surprised and get what you ask for.
Only threaten to resign if you mean it!

Current place £15k

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I got more than that as a pay rise this year

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Bluff: Tell him you've got another job offer you are considering but like working for him.

so BoardingBob earns about 70k a year

I get more than that on the dole

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I told me to **** off.

But you must be used to it by now........... 😉

Nothing else to contribute as I've just noticed you're all talking per annum figures. 😳

Bluff: Tell him you've got another job offer you are considering but like working for him.

i'd take the friendly approach, tell him you're very pleased to have had the opportunities he's given you, and now think that having proven yourself to him, you're in a position to ask for more money as you both know where you're at, and you're worth more than you're being paid. keep a smile on your face, just be calm and persistent. if it doesn't go well ( and if he asks you what you think your worth, aim a bit higher to give him room to come down, so he feels like he's cut a deal ), then start looking for something else.
good luck.

We all know there is no such thing as a pay rise. I will be paying less income tax this year unless ...the condems plan a big rise in the basic tax rate. BB et al enjoy your child benefit cut 8)

Thanks for the advice and congrats to the super high earners*

* I guarantee my bike is both nicer and faster than yours!!!

Stay for the moment has when looking for work is best to be employed.
Find a job then walk out and tell him to **** Off has you DONT have to work your notice ethier.

BB et al enjoy your child benefit cut

No kids so not a problem. 8)

tails, what did you study at uni and where (roughly) do you live?

There is assistance with setting up a business available depending on circumstances, both finacially and advisory.

how old are you tails? if you in a full time job on that money your age can be a good point to bring up in the discussion. in a i dont live at home with my mum sort of a way.

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BoardinBob - My house staff pay more than that in tax

My house staff are illegal immigrants whom I dont pay ... thus no tax !

ha !

Kidding .... IGMC.

Supply and Demand mate. Is your a particularly skilled job that only so many people can do, or could he fill it in seconds at the same level of remuneration if you did leave ?

I cant even remember what a pay rise is. Still trying to adjust to a pay reduction 14 months ago.

Its important to prepare for such negotiations, make sure you have a good excuse ready when your workmates ask you why you have brought in a roll of gaffa tape and a set of bombers.

tails, what did you study at uni and where (roughly) do you live?

I did a 2 year HND in cabinet making followed by the final 2 years of a contemporary furniture and product design degree. I'm based 15 miles from Cambridge.

how old are you tails? if you in a full time job on that money your age can be a good point to bring up in the discussion. in a i dont live at home with my mum sort of a way.

I'm 26 and yes I am living at home which I would like to move out of, but I don't want to spend half my earnings on rent plus my dad has dementia so it would mean leaving my mum alone, or at least until my sister finishes uni.

Supply and Demand mate. Is your a particularly skilled job that only so many people can do, or could he fill it in seconds at the same level of remuneration if you did leave ?

Well are there are certainly people wo will have my skill set, but whether they are in the area and prepared to work for that wage I'm unsure. Plus add to that time getting up to speed.

If you're happy in your job, and you can afford to live on the wages you earn and have a decent quality of life then I'd say stick where you are. It can't hurt to ask but don't do the 'I'll leave if you don't up my wages' number.

the more you earn, the more you spend. Its a difficult bandwagon to get off

Some nice replies with honest thoughts as always......and then along come the @ucking willy waving brigade (look at me look at me). What a bunch of idiots and cocks.......

BoardinBob - Member

Current place £15k

I pay more tax than that in a year

So did I until recently, be careful who you slap with your willy on the way up, be assured they will slap you with there's on the way down.

So, have you asked yet then?

+1 on the don't threaten to leave.

State your case reasonably and calmly, lay out the reasons why you initially agreed to take the lower wage and why you now feel you deserve more.

If you like working there then a confrontation won't do you any good, even if you managed to bully/threaten them into a pay rise they will see you in a different light and it would most likely become a very different place to work.

If you are serious about starting up then I'd look into it. There will be a local business centre type place who can give free impartial advice.

What do you think you would need to start up on your own - equipment wise. Could you keep working and make your own products in your own time?

What do you design/make?

"so BoardingBob earns about 70k a year. Big Fu**king Deal! Hardly how the other half live is it? what a prick."

I concur, doesn't mean a, any good at job or b, would want anything to do with said person, as obviously an egotistical fool who values money over self worth.

Oh regarding the actual query, every one is dispensable, even highly paid wonderful people like BoardingBob.

and be careful in this climate where you can get 100+ people applying for every job, I'm sure the response might be if your not happy with £15k then leave and I'll get some one who is.

or you could just do one of the following:

own him with Bombers

wee in his shoes

punch him in the goolies

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Do we need to wear helmets when entering into pay rise discussions ?
Large back packs anybody and which tyres for muddy conditions.....

What do you design/make?

Furniture and product are my real interest area but I have been looking at going more industrial such as cell phones/computers but they would obviously be computer renderings.

What do you think you would need to start up on your own - equipment wise.

Equipment is awkward I can make a fair bit but compared to my old work shops I have very little.

Anyway I just spoke with him and I got £18k so that's that.

result! Nice one, bet you wish you asked for 20 now lol. Seriously though that's great.

If you do want to start up then I can help you with workshop equipment. I have many many machines etc..... If you're genuinely interested then get in touch.

And good luck.

result! Nice one, bet you wish you asked for 20 now lol. Seriously though that's great.

i did I asked for £22k was going to ask for £20k then got my sums wrong and asked for £85 a day. Anyway that is good.

If you do want to start up then I can help you with workshop equipment. I have many many machines etc..... If you're genuinely interested then get in touch.

I'll certainly contact you to enquire this evening, as always good to find reliable machinists, powder coaters, welders. I even once used a gravestone maker to shape some marble for me, which was both cost effective and he was really interested in the project.

D'oh....can't believe you got your sums wrong.

Still, at least you got a payrise...even if you have sold yourself short by an extra few quid a month.

If you don't ask you don't get.

no problem tails - always happy to help.

and a 20% rise is pretty good! see if you can get the same again next year.

and a 20% rise is pretty good! see if you can get the same again next year.

That would be nice!! but unlikely

Zed - where are you?

I'd just like a job

molgrips - right now in India