[Closed] Passive-aggressive notes

That's almost a haiku rant.

Were you parked on a bus stop or a footpath? Did you leave litter?

I think that's just plain old aggressive.

You were parked on a footpath by a bus stop? I'd have keyed your car, smashed your windscreen and killed your firstborn

Is the bus stop on the footpath?

Surely part of every bus stop is on the footpath?

Looks like some kid's handwriting...

TandemJeremy - Member

You were parked on a footpath by a bus stop? I'd have keyed your car, smashed your windscreen and killed your firstborn

Another well considered response from TJ 😆

You wouldn't want to see me when I am angry

GrahamS yesterday.

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Bah, townies.

Were you parking on a footpath or a footway? Was the bus stop enforcable by means of a bus stop clearway or and advisory site?

For the record: we were parked [i]near[/i] a bus stop (no clearway or markings) and I did have two wheels on the pavement to leave sufficient room on the road for large vehicles (such as buses) to get through. So fair cop.

But I left plenty enough room on the pavement to get a pushchair/wheelchair through and didn't (in my opinion) block the bus stop - not that there are many buses at 10am on Sunday in rural Northumberland.

Probably not my bestest ever bit of parking, but we were late getting to a mate's baby's christening after our own baby was sick, and it was mobbed outside the church as it was also Palm Sunday.

We were only there an hour too, so they were quick off the mark. 🙂

You were parked on a footpath by a bus stop? I'd have keyed your car, smashed your windscreen and killed your firstborn

You missed out weeing on his shoes.

Perhaps next time you can try leaving a copy of the Daily Mail so the notewriter thinks you're "one of us" and accepts it as payment for breathing their air.

Perhaps you could actually park legally / considerately in future. Classic piece of car driver arrogance. I have to park so I shall park where I want and inconveniencing anyone else is of no importance.

<twitches net curtains>

I had a note saying "please be aware that you have parked in a way which makes it dangerous for people to enter and exit the car park" .. I was in a designated parking space and my car is pretty small 😐 They'd even gone to the effort of typing it up and printing it off.

I wouldn't have parked like that, personally.

Perhaps you could actually park legally / considerately in future. Classic piece of car driver arrogance.

😆 TJ. Twas legal and at best only very slightly inconvenient to anyone else, for one hour on a Sunday morning.

Oh and I didn't leave any "rubish". Though I did shit in the bus stop for good measure 😀

I don't think that's passive-aggressive. SOME might people think it's passive-aggressive and I suppose we could all just CHANGE WHAT WORDS MEAN just because it's easier for them. I know I don't mind ALL THE EXTRA WORK that would cause, it's fine with me.

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TJ knows all and sees all. Your card is marked GrahamS and when the omniscient one falls off that very high horse, you better not be parked under him, you mark my words

For reference, here is the scene of my dastardly crime:
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=54.996183,-1.790643&spn=0.000251,0.000817&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=54.996212,-1.790517&panoid=nn0ssbBWDvQ0RFkQcLCRcQ&cbp=12,224.99,,0,21.93

So you think its OK to inconvenience people so you can park where you want?

I once had my white car used as the note paper and a large permanent marker as the pen. Consider yourself lucky.

You should have parked on the grass out of everyones way and then left some dirty great tyre marks when you left!

Who was inconvenienced, and in what way? Just because one of your fellow Daily Mail readers saw an opportunity to take umbrage at something doesn't actually mean there was anything either illegal or inconvenient going on.

TJ knows all and sees all.

As I recall TJ lives near/in Edinburgh - having lived there myself I know [i]proper[/i] inconsiderate parking (i.e. cars parked completely on the pavement, or double-parked down both sides of a road to the point where vans can't drive down the road, the bins can't be collected and any emergency crews have to nudge cars out the way).

I'm with TJ on this - if anything the OP is displaying passive-agressive behaviour, like those people that don't pay train fares "cos I was running late" then moan about getting caught on internet forums. You should have left earlier and planned ahead better, there aren't levels of obnoxious parking that vary according to your self induced personal circumstances that day.

I did have two wheels on the pavement

Twas legal and at best only very slightly inconvenient to anyone else, for one hour on a Sunday morning

I doubt it was legal if you had 2 wheels on the pavement.

Looking at the map it doesn't look to me like it would inconvenience anyone at all to park there. Blatent nimbyism.

Perhaps they're just fed up with people parking there? Anyway, at least their little note has led you to consider your actions 😉

YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!

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Just count yourself lucky Graham
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Its just typical car driver arrogance. Its only an hour on a Sunday morning so I will just partially block the pavement.

Pavement parking is not automatically illegal in most places. However it is inconsiderate at best, can be illegal depending on circumstances and damages the pavements.

LOL at the google photo, with the red car with wheels on kerb......

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EDIT: And no note on the car, perhaps thats your note writer....you took his/her parking space!!

Coffeeking. Pushing a double buggy? Wide wheelchair? Blind person?

Coffeeking. Pushing a double buggy? Wide wheelchair? Blind person?

Pavement looks wide enough for a double buggy assuming wheels were "just" on the pavement and the buggy owner does have the ability to scooch onto the grass if it's THAT tight. Judging by the width of the car down the road next to the pavement I'd say the pavement was about 1.6m wide at that point, plenty for a double buggy and a bit of car. Though I think the road is plenty wide enough to accommodate a van so I'm not sure why you'd put wheels on the pavement. What width wheelchairs do you see?! Blind people have to navigate obstacles all the time, a parked car makes no odds, the bus stop and lamp-posts are far more dangerous.

Mountains. Molehills.

Doesn't look as if it'd be too hard to nip down that estate and find somewhere out of the way to park...

Looks like Station Road has plenty of room and lots of people already parked there by way of precedent and usual habit.

Btw we have to go on the road all the time on our street due to cars all over the pavement. Pushchair and pedestrians in the road, cars on the pavement - not right, is it?

coffeeking - the bus stop and lamppost are there all the time so the blind person is used to their presence.

Just because you think its a mountain out of a molehilldoes not excue the OP. its wrong and you know its wrong.

Highway code:

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

It was only an hour for that christening, what about the christenings, funerals, weddings, services where people park like that over the rest of the year?

Filth like you [b]disgust[/b] me, GrahamS.

I once had a torn-off piece of cheque book with "YES DARWINS [u]THEORY[/u] OF EVOLUTION!!!" with 'theory' underlined three times, stuck under my windscreen wiper 🙂 probably because of the Darwin fish on my boot but you can never be sure in Wales...

coffeeking - the bus stop and lamppost are there all the time so the blind person is used to their presence.

Just because you think its a mountain out of a molehilldoes not excue the OP. its wrong and you know its wrong.

Highway code:

244

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

"Should not" and in this case hasn't inconvenienced anyone as the space left was (apparently) large enough to get by and if people with visual impairments are are unable to get around because there are obstacles that are in variable locations they're utterly screwed going anywhere so may as well stay at home. IIRC the definition of causing an obstruction is narrowing the pavement to less than the legal minimum pavement width which, if I remember correctly, is 1.2m.

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London

...pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

....Like [i]they[/i] count 🙄

Its just tj[s]ypical car driver[/s] arrogance. Its only an hour on a Sunday morning so I will just [s]partially [/s] not block the pavement any more than usual, according to Google StreetView.

[s]Pavement parking[/s]ranting without knowing the whole story is not automatically illegal in most places. However it is inconsiderate at best, can be [s]illegal[/s] pretty funny depending on circumstances and damages [s]the pavements[/s] what little credibility you have.

there FIFY

Methinks you doth protest to much 🙂

for a supposed cyclists forum this place makes me laugh with the pro car attitudes expressed so often

You know pavement parking is never justifiable.

for a supposed cyclists forum this place makes me laugh with the pro car attitudes expressed so often

Not everyone who rides a bike is a militant tofu-knitting swivel eyed anti-car loon, TJ.....

what if you had to take a child with a facial injury into hospital?

for a supposed cyclists forum this place makes me laugh with the pro car attitudes expressed so often

What has a cycling forum go to do with a pro-car attitude? Really, you still amaze me despite my years on here. Just because I'm a cyclist with several types of bike including road bikes doesn't mean I don't like cars. That also doesn't mean I condone bad behaviour on either side.

What in the world makes you think that people interested in bikes would all be against cars too? Some days you need a reality check.

You know pavement parking is never justifiable.

It is for people who see in colour rather than black and white.

"Our village"

Sounds like you wandered into a rival village gang territory! You were lucky you weren't mown down in a hail of hanging baskets & lawn cuttings!

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Sounds like you wandered into a rival village gang territory! You were lucky you weren't mown down in a hail of hanging baskets & lawn cuttings!

Midsomer Singletrackworld.....
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Can you not be both pro cycling and pro car?

Can you not be both pro cycling and pro car?

Apparently they're mutually exclusive, according to the master up there.

Can you not be both pro cycling and pro car?

a well rounded human being on here? whatever next?

LOL at the google photo, with the red car with wheels on kerb......

All the other cars there were parked the same. It appeared to be standard practise there which is precisely why I did it 🙂

for a supposed cyclists forum this place makes me laugh with the pro car attitudes expressed so often

The missus didn't fancy cycling there through the fields in her high heels and best Sunday dress. Women eh?

A neighbour turns his modded-exhaust 10+yr old Megane over for a few minutes at 6:30am every morning, I am thinking of leaving him/her a note (no idea who it is or where they live) offering to chip in for a new exhaust.

Ah - the stench of hypocrisy. Never far away from the petrolheads on here.

Never fay away from the petrolheads on here.

My reply had I been permitted to give one:

"Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for drawing my attention to silly and inconvenient nature of my parking. I sincerely apologise for any offence caused.

By way of mitigation may I explain that we were attending a christening at the Methodist church, which I am sure you are aware was very well attended as it happily fell on Palm Sunday. Unfortunately we were running a little late that morning as our own baby daughter was ill - so I did park rather hastily in the limited space left available.

I confess I did mount the kerb, though I did endeavour to leave sufficient room on the pavement to allow a pushchair/wheelchair through. I assumed this was common practise as the road was narrow and every other car was parked in the same manner.

And I admit I did park near the bus stop, though as we were only there for an hour and the next timetabled bus wasn't till Monday, I had hoped this indiscretion was forgiveable.

You are also quite correct in your assertion that I am not a resident of your village. In fact we came from the village a couple of miles down the road where, I'm glad to say, the people have better things to do than leave rude little accusatory xenophobic notes on cars.

Furthermore, having lived beyond the realms of this rural idyll in what us outsiders call "a city", I can tell you that my parking, while not perfect, was far from worthy of your twitchy illiterate missive.

Yours Sincerely etc

PS I did not leave any rubish, though I did shit in the bus stop.

Think about it TJ. If we all didn't drive cars then we wouldn't need petrol. In which case all that North Sea Oil wouldn't be of any use as its non-sale would fail to finance the socialist utopia you presently inhabit. 😀

Probably not my bestest ever bit of parking,[b] but we were late [/b]getting to a mate's baby's christening after our own baby was sick, and it was mobbed outside the church as it was also Palm Sunday.

Whatever you do, don't use this as an excuse - it only riles us yokels! I live about 50yds from the church in our little village. The god bothers fill up our end of the village with their badly parked cars of a Sunday morning but it's mostly OK. Christmas, Easter, christenings and funerals though - pah! The end came on Christmas day a couple of years ago when some muppet (in a BMW) parked directly across our drive completely blocking us in. I caught him as he went into the church and his response when I told him I'd miss Christmas with my family if he didn't move his car - "but I'll be late if I do that". Let's just say the self-centred, self-righteous, un-****ing Christian arsehole church goers of this fair parish have not dared to darken my door (or driveway) since. And the vicar who lives 3 doors up now chooses to cross over the road when he sees me coming which even with my limited knowledge of the parables always makes me chuckle!

TandemJeremy - Member

Ah - the stench of hypocrisy. Never far away from the petrolheads on here.

Of course you would never have committed any traffic offences like going through [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/london-cycling-commuters-are-you-breaking-da-law-/page/4#post-1985114 ]red lights or using dropped kerbs as jumps[/url]? 😉

Nice one Binners !

@convert: Ironically we live opposite a church in a cul-de-sac so I get blocked in by God-botherers, scouts, brownies and women's groups on a regular basis - so far I've kept my notepad to myself 😀

[i]so far I've kept my notepad to myself[/i]

could you not just pass the note you got on?

if you got it laminated it could be doing the rounds for years.

retro83 - Member

Of course you would never have committed any traffic offences like going through red lights or using dropped kerbs as jumps?

He'll never let the truth get in the way of being a sanctimonious throbber

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PMSL @ BoardinBob...!

Laughable.

You want to justify the selfish and arrogant behaviour of a car driver but cannot so you attack me.

If I had criticised people for doing what I do myself you would be right. However I don't pavement park and I don't believe my convenience trumps everyone else's.

You're lucky it was just a resident and not the local plod.

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You want to justify the selfish and arrogant behaviour of a car driver

No, he just doesn't think it's that big of a deal.

If, as he says, there was a line of cars parked there and his was just one space, the original note becomes a little harder to understand doesn't it?

I am sure there are some people out there who go looking for reasons to be 'outraged', 'offended' and 'disgusted' just so they can write notes like this. Pathetic.

There's lots of us on this island and we all need to get along - we all do things that 'inconvenience' others, but as long as it's only a minor 'inconvenience' does it really matter??

There are plenty of pavements near me that are actually narrower than that bit of pavement would have been when GrahamS was parked.
How would visually impaired, wheelchair-users & double buggies cope in these situations? And on the other side of the road, there is NO pavement as an alternative option, just a grass bank & beyond that, a river........
Surely someone should right a stern letter and get the council to increase the width of the pavement so that everyone can pass unimpeded & un-inconvenienced???

I am sure there are some people out there who go looking for reasons to be 'outraged', 'offended' and 'disgusted' just so they can write notes like this.

Surely someone should right a stern letter and get the council to increase the width of the pavement so that everyone can pass unimpeded & un-inconvenienced???

In that case, probably.

You go about your business without a care in the world, then something makes you think. I was JRA one day up in the valleys and I saw a lady pushing a wheelchair along a very busy road next to a pavement. It was one of those full life support ones, electrified I think and contained an adult who was fairly helpless. She was going to a council office dealing with disability something or other and had parked very near by it. However there was no dropped kerb for a hundred yards or so so she had no choice but to go along the road side to find one.

Makes you think. Often little stuff like this makes people's lives really difficult. Same goes for parked cars on pavements (but not necessarily in the OP's case). Imagine having to back down the pavement for ages, then come back along the road and find another dropped kerb, just because someone was late for church.

You can scoff but it happens all the time. Ask a wheelchair user.

How can one be a hypocrite as a car owner who enjoys cycling, but not as a someone who berates others for illegal parking while happily RLJing etc ❓

*is confused by TJ's "logic" *

Surely someone should right a stern letter and get the council to increase the width of the pavement so that everyone can pass unimpeded & un-inconvenienced???

It wouldn't work, any attempt to remove road and put it into pavement (or even cycle lane, Heaven forbid!) would be jumped on from a great height by the political motorist lobby. Same as every other improvement that has been suggested for pedestrians and vulnerable road users for the past 30 years.

Someone's left a pissy note on your car, and instructed you that what ever you do, you must not litter? Seems to me that your next course of action is pretty obvious.

Makes you think. Often little stuff like this makes people's lives really difficult. Same goes for parked cars on pavements (but not necessarily in the OP's case). Imagine having to back down the pavement for ages, then come back along the road and find another dropped kerb, just because someone was late for church.

You can scoff but it happens all the time. Ask a wheelchair user.

Wise words MG.