[Closed] Parking ticket question

Does the ticket not have a reason for issue?

I haven't seen it yet, she just text me to let me know.

The only possible giveaway is the light yellow slabs either side of the hump which have raised bumps

And the big red rectangle.

The red rectangle was added by me to the picture to show the location of her car, it doesnt actually exist!

Are you allowed to park over a crossing? I'd imagine that's what the problem is.

Looks like a dropped kerb to me, or some kind of crossing spot and so probably illegal.

Ah! [i]Now[/i] you tell us!

Is it from the council? If not, put it in the bin.

The dots suggest it's suppose to be a crossing, but surely it needs to be marked up properly for that?

It's a "raised informal crossing point"

And not a particularly sensible place to park.

Can be ticketed in most areas.

So why is there a yellow line on one side? If you can't park there anyway, why add a yellow line to indicate restricted parking?

She's just text me to say the notice says "parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to a dropped footway (27)".
The footway has not been dropped, the road has been raised by the mains of a speed bump. Im wondering whether this is an overly keen PCSCO trying to up their figures?

I win 🙂

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http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/strategy-and-research/publications-and-consultations/j11185-06.htm

Tsk. If she'd not been lazy and parked 50 yards further up the road by that grass verge, they'd be no ticket.

Strikes me as a daft place to park when there's space about 30m up the road under the lamppost that wouldn't block a driveway or crossing point.. Unless there were dozens more cars there when the incident happened. School drop off by any chance?
As for the ticket, daft parking or not the road markings are a bit rubbish. I'd pay and give her some grief about it myself...

So what if my sister with MS had pootled along in her mobility scooter, wanting to cross the road at that point?

Bang to rights if you're asking me. Pay up.

The footway has not been dropped, the road has been raised by the mains of a speed bump

I suspect by the newer looking kerbs that it used to be dropped and the bump was installed after the crossing and the crossing retained. Also the bricks on the top making a 'path' from one side of the bump to the other. Otherwise it would just all be tarmac.

Further reading [url= http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t77319.html ]HERE[/url] suggests they have used the wrong code. Code 27 is for a dropped kerb, code 28 is for a raised carriageway, which is where she parked.
As mentioned on that thread I've linked, its a common place to park and its not immediately obvious that you cant park there.

I'd appeal on the grounds it's confusing since there's a restricted parking single yellow line on the other side and no signage. If you don't win and they improve the signage and remove that confusing yellow line then all the better for everyone and appealing costs nothing but your time.
It's your moral public duty to appeal 😉

globalti - Member

So what if my sister with MS had pootled along in her mobility scooter, wanting to cross the road at that point?

Not exactly disagreeing with the sentiment, but, could she not cross at the dropped kerb 10 feet away instead?

Do agree it is not a good place to park regardless of legality. But at the same time, easy to see how someone could interpret it as just being a traffic calmer.

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Thanks everyone!
The kerbs were only replaced when the humps were installed. To the best of my knowledge there was no dropped kerb there previously. My logic for parking there would be based on the lack of yellow line on that side.

I think we'll appeal on the grounds of ambiguity due to lack of clear markings etc. That and the wrong code used.

Not exactly disagreeing with the sentiment, but, could she not cross at the dropped kerb 10 feet away instead?

Because that would involve crossing the road diagonally to get the next drop kerb, the council have kindly provided a nice and safe point to avoid that.

Yep- but, being it makes very little actual difference here as far as I can see. Yes it's diagonal but only a little.

Yep- but, being it makes very little actual difference here as far as I can see. Yes it's diagonal but only a little.

Oh that makes it Ok to park then as god forbid a car driver would have to use their legs that 10 extra feet.

Not exactly disagreeing with the sentiment, but, could she not cross at the dropped kerb 10 feet away instead?

Could the badly parked car not have been parked somewhere else leaving the crossing point free for its intended use ?

Didn't say that Drac. Just saying it's not the end of the world on this particular road, where there's other safe easy crossing points within yards. We've got a similiar disabled crossing near my house, hardly anyone ever uses it despite the extensive granny population... Rather than diverting up to the crossing, they just cross wherever they feel like, like anyone else does.

I'm working on the basis here that the car wasn't parked there because **** disabled people- it was parked there because it's not that clear that it's a crossing and they mistook it for a speedbump. I wouldn't park there myself but I can see both sides. If it's essential for safety that it be kept clear, why isn't it marked better?

So why is there a yellow line on one side? If you can't park there anyway, why add a yellow line to indicate restricted parking?

It looks like the yellow line extends all the way along the road, not just for the crossing.

[url= http://www.penaltychargenotice.co.uk/parking/contraventions-for-parking/contravention-code-27/ ]It is illegal to park blocking a dropped kerb[/url], regardless of lines or signage.

Its not a dropped kerb though, its a raised carriageway.
[url= http://www.penaltychargenotice.co.uk/parking/contraventions-for-parking/contravention-code-28/ ]Code 28[/url]
So that [s]would [/s] could be grounds for an appeal.

The fact that it may/may not be either a dropped kerb or raised carriageway is irrelevant - it's a pedestrian crossing, specifically of the type "uncontrolled crossing", which can be (but does not have to) be marked.
Parking on any ped crossing is not allowed (rule 240 of the Highway Code).

Bang to rights I'd say! 🙂 And extremely inconsiderate of other people in any case.

We've got a similiar disabled crossing near my house

😯

She parked on a crossing!!!
Why are people trying to defend stupidity?
Just tell her to pay the bill.

After your comments [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/road-ragewoman-blocks-road-and-claims-cyclist-is-attacking-her/page/2#post-5685378 ]HERE[/url] you'll forgive me if I dont pay any attention to you iolo.

The tactile surface would indicate a crossing; it's there so that blind people can differentiate between pavement and road in the absence of a difference in surface height.

Ergo, she parked on a crossing, which is illegal (THC rule 191).

However, the ticket is for a different offence, parking next to a dropped kerb (THC rule 243). Therefore, whilst she has committed an offence, the ticket is unenforceable.

If it's issued by the council / police / TfL, [url= https://www.gov.uk/parking-tickets/challenging-a-ticket ]challenge it[/url]. If it's issued by anyone else, throw it in the bin.

Thanks Cougar.
Whilst I accept she shouldn't have parked there, the PCN issuer should be using the correct codes.

Woody's technical drawing seemed to highlight that it is called a dropped curb.

I think that is in relation to an access road which is crossing a footpath, that than a footpath crossing the main rd.

bigyinn - Member
Thanks Cougar.
Whilst I accept she shouldn't have parked there, the PCN issuer should be using the correct codes.

In your first post you said you thought she was legally parked.

Now you accept she wasn't legally parked but you still aren't going to pay the ticket because of an accidental mistake concerning the code number (dropped curb Vs raised carriageway)

Both codes relating to parking illegally on pedestrian crossings that use very slightly different construction methods.

You also said in your first post ..

... I'm not trying to wriggle out of it..

I beg to differ.

The technical drawing shows (me) they call a flush curb a dropped curb so then the footway technically would also be a dropped footway. (Making the ticket fine.)
Not sure there is much room for manoeuvre but good luck what ever you decide.

nealglover, I am now in possession with more facts than I was previously.
Yes am I am going to contest it on a technicality.
However there is the point that the ticket is potentially wrong. At what point do you roll over and pay up, Im not sure. But I'd rather not pay out £35 on an incorrect fine thanks.
There is also the issue of the person issuing the ticket not knowing the subtle differences between offences.
But dont let that put you off putting me down from your high horse. 😆

Is the fine halved if you pay within 14 days? If so bear in mind you might have to pay double if you challenge and it is refused.

... I'm not trying to wriggle out of it..

😐

I've changed my mind, so nyahhh. 😈

k. If she'd not been lazy and parked 50 yards further up the road by that grass verge, they'd be no ticket.

Strikes me as a daft place to park when there's space about 30m up the road

Assuming she was parked there when the Google Streetview car drove past 😉

<puts bigyinn in same category as peter1979 and Amazon>

Eh? Whats that then, mr in joke?

Strange how non mobility impaired people park in stupid places,like opposite tactile paving,which indicates a crossing point for the partially sighted.

Yay, all the big hitters are joining in to show their superiority.

nealglover, I am now in possession with more facts than I was previously.

Yes, you now know she was parked illegally.

Yes am I am going to contest it on a technicality.

So you are going to wriggle out of it then ?

Just the opposite of what you said in the OP.

However there is the point that the ticket is potentially wrong. At what point do you roll over and pay up, Im not sure. But I'd rather not pay out £35 on an incorrect fine thanks.

She was parked illegally.
She got a ticket.

Suck it up.

There is also the issue of the person issuing the ticket not knowing the subtle differences between offences.

So it a "technicality" then ?

That sounds very much like a "wriggle" to me.

But dont let that put you off putting me down from your high horse.

Classic put down.

Often heard from people who are doing something they know they shouldn't, and trying to justify their actions.

To late to pop the kettle on?

fwiw it's pretty obvious it's a crossing/walk way to me.

This >
She was parked illegally.
She got a ticket.

Suck it up.

Well, the code on the ticket suggests she wasn't parked as suggested by the fpn. An appeal isn't going to hurt... Do it, appeal......

zilog6128 - Member

Is the fine halved if you pay within 14 days? If so bear in mind you might have to pay double if you challenge and it is refused.

Contesting the ticket will stop the clock on the half price period.

Not necessarily. It will help if you ask them to, and they agree, but it's not guaranteed.

[b]IF [/b]the wrong code has been used you will win an appeal, absolutely no question.

It does look a bit of a daft place to park though to be fair 😉

Well....I reckon go for it OP. I'd contest it, in the wrong or not. I'd much rather stick that fine money in a charity box than pay it to the local council.

Having mulled this over last night further. We've decided that the path of least resistance lies with just paying the £35 fine.
If she contests it, she may lose, so we're then liable for the full fine at £70.
At the end of the day, the o/h parked in a place she shouldn't have, so she'll have to suck it up, wrong code on the ticket or not.
So all the hand wringers can feel smug and warm that they're right and we're wrong for even thinking that we should contest it.
To those who have offered advice without judgement or comment, thank you for your help.

Yay! Another fluffy kitten can live a long and happy life.